Председник Америке, Доналд Џ Трамп

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"Trump has dropped more bombs and missiles than George W. Bush or Barack Obama did in their first terms, and there are still roughly as many US bases and troops overseas as when he was elected."

"A Kurdish Iraqi intelligence report recorded that more than forty thousand civilians were killed in the US-led destruction of Mosul."

"Trump has vetoed every bill passed by Congress to disengage US forces from the Saudi war in Yemen and to halt the sales of US-made warplanes and bombs, which the Saudis use to systematically kill Yemeni civilians. He created a new conflict with Iran by pulling out of the nuclear deal, and in January 2020, he capriciously flirted with a full-scale war on Iran by ordering the assassination of Iran’s General Qasem Soleimani and Iraqi military commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis in Iraq."

"Biden would be mainly a new manager and salesman in chief to sell the military-industrial complex’s latest strategy for war and global military occupation to the corporate media and the American public."

We will not rescue our country from the iron grip of the military-industrial complex by picking the lesser evil and hoping for the best. That has not worked for sixty years, since Eisenhower defined the problem so clearly in his farewell address.

Building a new anti-war movement that is connected to the domestic anti-police struggle is the only thing that can rein in US militarism. Because reelecting a president with as much blood on his hands as Trump — or simply transferring the command of the war machine to Joe Biden — certainly won’t.

 

Trump’s Record on Foreign Policy: Lost Wars, New Conflicts, and Broken Promises

WWW.JACOBINMAG.COM

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Donald Trump claims he’s ending the “era of endless wars.” But over the course of his first term, he has come closer to starting new wars than ending the wars he inherited.

Ne zna se ko je gori od ove dvojice...

[cloudking]

пре 31 минута, haveaniceday рече

Hmmm imam dark theme, verovatno tema nesto zeza... ne znam sta je u pitanju....

 

 

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пре 23 минута, haveaniceday рече

 Naravno da jesam glup, sta si mislio? 

Mislio sam da si pametniji od toga da kad Spencer tvituje da podržava Bajdena jer su liberali kompetentniji pomisliš da je to stvarno iskreno napisao...

 

пре 23 минута, haveaniceday рече

Tako se neki liberali kao ti i u americi sprdali sa nasiljem nad Trampovim glasacima... sve dok nije coveku pucano u glavu...

Aha... i razlika je u tome što se ne sprdam sa nasiljem koje se dešava, nego sa nasiljem koje zamišljaš da će ti se desiti... u Srbiji... zato što je nekom čoveku u Americi neko pucao u glavu jer podržava Trampa... otprilike kao da ja kažem da će i mene sutra neki tvoj nacoš da zgazi kolima na Terazijama jer se to desilo u Šarlotsvilu... niđe veze...

 

пре 23 минута, haveaniceday рече

Mozete 1000 puta da ponavljate tu laz, ali tramp je odbacio podrsku tih ljudi, vise puta.. postoje klipovi na youtube.. itd.... 

Misliš onako paušalno u fazonu kako on ne podržava rasiste ili je konkretno odbacio podršku Richarda Spencera i alt-right pokreta?

 

пре 23 минута, haveaniceday рече

Mozda jedino da se uhvatis za ovo "odmah" ali da te podsetim da nije bilo jasno da je spancer nacista dugo vremena je bio normalni konzervativac. A onda je od jednom krenuo rasisticku pricu da fura.

Na to odmah sam i mislio... a ne možeš da me "podsetiš" na nešto što nije tačno... Spencer je sve vreme bio isti i pričao isto samo je u Šarlotsvilu i vizuelno to ispalo tako da više niko ne može da zatvara oči pred tim... tačnije, ne znam ni kad misliš da se to "od jednom krenuo rasističku priču da fura" desilo...

 

 

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пре 5 часа, haveaniceday рече

Ovo vec peti put izbegavas sto implicira da nemas. Jednostavno si popio medijsku propagandu kako je tramp veliki strasni lazov jer su te bombardovali gomilom sitnih lazi koje je izneo. Prosli put sam ti cak dao i link i rekao Avokado izvoli izaberi .. i tada si pokusao da spinujes na druge price.

Ovo sam propustio... jok, sam si uzeo link i krenuo da kao ismevaš jednu po jednu i smorio se kada si shvatio koliko ih ima (samo za Covid) pa si odustao... prosto, kad čovek ima hiljade laži (20.000 do sad po fact checking listi Washington Posta) besmisleno je da ih prođemo sve... i onda treba da uzmem jednu i da se o njoj raspravljam sa tobom nedelju dana i da posle toga smisliš neko opravdanje tipa: to je ok, ali to nije bitna laž, nije opasna laž ili nešto slično... besmisleno je...

I neko ko ima gomilu "sitnih" laži je i dalje veliki lažov... patološki lažov je neko ko stalno laže... nevezano za to koliko su "velike" ili "opasne" laži...

Pri čemu nije lako ni meriti "opasnost" laži... najopasnija laž koju je Tramp izneo, koja mi prva pada na pamet je to da je globalno zagrevanje "hoax"... ali opet ti i tu možeš da trubiš kako to što on tvituje gluposti o globalnom zagrevanju kao pravi balvan ne utiče ni na šta... i da istovremeno trubiš kako je nešto što je CardiB tvitovala (što nije čak ni činjenična tvrdnja nego hiperbola) izuzetno opasna laž...

A najopasnija stvar u vezi sa tim je što su Trampovi ljubitelji smislili to kako nije bitno da li laže ili ne... tu već zalazimo lagano u orvelijanizam...

 

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пре 12 часа, fsa рече

"Trump has dropped more bombs and missiles than George W. Bush or Barack Obama did in their first terms, and there are still roughly as many US bases and troops overseas as when he was elected."

"A Kurdish Iraqi intelligence report recorded that more than forty thousand civilians were killed in the US-led destruction of Mosul."

"Trump has vetoed every bill passed by Congress to disengage US forces from the Saudi war in Yemen and to halt the sales of US-made warplanes and bombs, which the Saudis use to systematically kill Yemeni civilians. He created a new conflict with Iran by pulling out of the nuclear deal, and in January 2020, he capriciously flirted with a full-scale war on Iran by ordering the assassination of Iran’s General Qasem Soleimani and Iraqi military commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis in Iraq."

"Biden would be mainly a new manager and salesman in chief to sell the military-industrial complex’s latest strategy for war and global military occupation to the corporate media and the American public."

We will not rescue our country from the iron grip of the military-industrial complex by picking the lesser evil and hoping for the best. That has not worked for sixty years, since Eisenhower defined the problem so clearly in his farewell address.

Building a new anti-war movement that is connected to the domestic anti-police struggle is the only thing that can rein in US militarism. Because reelecting a president with as much blood on his hands as Trump — or simply transferring the command of the war machine to Joe Biden — certainly won’t.

 

Trump’s Record on Foreign Policy: Lost Wars, New Conflicts, and Broken Promises

WWW.JACOBINMAG.COM

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Donald Trump claims he’s ending the “era of endless wars.” But over the course of his first term, he has come closer to starting new wars than ending the wars he inherited.

Ne zna se ko je gori od ove dvojice...

Два краја ИСТОГ штапа.

Паметном доста.

[haveaniceday]

пре 7 часа, Јанко рече

Два краја ИСТОГ штапа.

Паметном доста.

Izuzetno neiskren i netacan clank. Evo odakle su izvukli informaciju. https://www.afcent.af.mil/Portals/82/Airpower Summary - January 2017.pdf?ver=2017-03-18-080038-873
Naprimer o tome da je bacio vise bombi, ostavili su link. U pitanju su bombe koje su bacene na ISIL a ne na neke nevine drzave, u saradnji sa Avganistanom, Sirijom i ostalim borcima protiv ISILa. Npr. 
Rat protiv ISIL je jedini opravdan rat koji usa vodi, jer je ISIL jedan zlocinacki pokret. 

Ljudi (u americi a i svetu) nemaju nista protiv da USA ratuje protiv ISIL, jer svi normalni treba da ratuju protiv ISIL. Imaju problem sa time da usa gadja Avganistan, Irak, Iran, da ruse Gadafija i Asada, a to je ono sto tramp odbija da uradi zbog cega ga napadaju sa svih strana. 


 

[haveaniceday]

Kome jos uvek nije jasno zasto je Tucker popularan, evo ovde gde se zalaze za pardon Asanza... al dobro populista je prica ljudima sta oce da cuju.  
 

 

[haveaniceday]

пре 16 часа, Avocado рече

Ovo sam propustio... jok, sam si uzeo link i krenuo da kao ismevaš jednu po jednu i smorio se kada si shvatio koliko ih ima (samo za Covid) pa si odustao...

 

Ajd sada da vidimo tvoje opravdanje za odbijanje diskusije oko toga: 

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 i onda treba da uzmem jednu i da se o njoj raspravljam sa tobom nedelju dana i da posle toga smisliš neko opravdanje tipa: to je ok, ali to nije bitna laž, nije opasna laž ili nešto slično... besmisleno je...

Zasto je to bsmislenije nego da verujemo WP-u bez ikakvog ispitivanja da li je tramp izgovorio 20 000 lazi? Je l ti to hoces da mi kazes da neces da raspravljas sa ljudima da li WP laze, nego svi mora da prihvatimo da WP ne laze i da tramp stvarno ima 20 000 lazi? 

 

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A najopasnija stvar u vezi sa tim je što su Trampovi ljubitelji smislili to kako nije bitno da li laže ili ne... tu već zalazimo lagano u orvelijanizam...

 

Orvelijalizam je druze kada imas  ministarstvo istine (washington post) i kada ono sto oni izjave nije za diskusiju, vec mora da se smatra istinom. U isti si odavno zasao.... 

Ja hocu da diskutujem o trampovim lazima, jer naravno da jeste bitno da li laze i koliko i za sta. Ti neces, ti hoces da uzmemo kao cinjenicu da je covek lazov koji ima 20 000 lazi, i sve to zato sto nam je wp rekao. 

Ko je tu vise orvellian? Ja ili ti? Razmisli dobro... 
 

 

[haveaniceday]

пре 19 часа, cloudking рече

Stavio sam svetlu temu ne bi trebalo da ima vise tih problema. 

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Upravo sam naišla na sjajan naslov

Don't Be Shocked Trump Lied About COVID On Tape. Be Horrified That It Won't Matter

[obi-wan]

Dobro rece o. Nenad Ilic posle onih provala oko Oskara - ako ovako ostane, `Murici se ne pise dobro.

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Trump nominated for second Nobel Peace Prize following Serbia-Kosovo

NYPOST.COM

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In a Friday morning tweet, Magnus Jacobsson, a member of the Swedish Parliament, announced he was nominating the Trump administration and the two European nations.

Trump nominated for second Nobel Peace Prize following Serbia-Kosovo deal

WASHINGTON — President Trump has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for a second time this week — this time for brokering a historic peace deal between Serbia and breakaway republic Kosovo.

In a Friday morning tweet, Magnus Jacobsson, a member of the Swedish Parliament, announced he was nominating the Trump administration and the two European nations for their “joint work for peace and economic development, through the cooperation agreement signed in the White House.”

“Trade and communications are important building blocks for peace,” Jacobsson wrote, sharing his letter to the Nobel Committee.

On Wednesday, the president was nominated for the prestigious award by a member of the Norwegian Parliament for helping broker a peace deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates.

“For his merit, I think he has done more trying to create peace between nations than most other Peace Prize nominees,” Christian Tybring-Gjedde told Fox News.

According to the official Nobel website, there were 318 candidates for the 2020 Peace Prize. The winner of the prize for 2021 will not be announced until October of next year.

Trump last Friday hosted the leaders of Serbia and Kosovo to sign a landmark economic normalization agreement.

Kosovo split from Serbia in 2008, declaring independence with US assistance following a genocidal war waged by then-Serbian strongman Slobodan Milošević which killed 10,000 Muslim ethnic Albanians.

“It took decades because you didn’t have anybody trying to get it done,” Trump said in the Oval Office, flanked by Kosovo Prime Minister Avdullah Hoti and Serbia President Aleksandar Vučić.

“There was a lot of fighting and now there’s a lot of love,” he continued.

Serbia still does not recognize Kosovo’s independence but it allows economic cooperation, rail and transit links, and the free movement of people and goods between the two countries.

The Serbian president praised Trump and said he had done a “great job,” while Kosovo’s leader hailed Trump’s “commitment to peace.”

The deal came on the heels of another agreement brokered a peace deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates — the first normalization of relations between Israel and an Arab nation in decades.

The agreement, known as the Abraham Accords, will be officially signed at the White House next Tuesday with delegations from Israel and the UAE.

The diplomatic breakthrough will see increased tourism and investment between the two nations in a move that angered Iran.

On Friday afternoon, the White House announced that the tiny kingdom of Bahrain would follow the UAE in normalizing relations with Israel as the Trump administration pushes for peace in the Middle East.

“When I took office, the Middle East was in a state of absolute chaos,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office.

“As more countries normalize relations with Israel, which will happen quite quickly, we believe, the region will become more and more stable, secure and prosperous,” he said.

Barack Obama was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, his first year in office, for his work in easing tensions with the Muslim world after 9/11 and helping rid of the world of nuclear weapons.

The committee’s decision shocked many, including Obama himself.

The committee’s ex-secretary in a 2015 interview said that it had been a mistake and revealed the award did not bolster Obama as they had hoped.

“Even many of Obama’s supporters believed that the prize was a mistake,” Geir Lundestad said. “In that sense the committee didn’t achieve what it had hoped for.”

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Пре сат времена, haveaniceday рече

Ajd sada da vidimo tvoje opravdanje za odbijanje diskusije oko toga: 

Kao i obično nećeš se baviti mojim "opravdanjem" nego ćeš ti da smisliš "moje" razloge i onda da "diskutuješ" sa razlozima koje si smislio, jel da?

 

 

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Zasto je to bsmislenije nego da verujemo WP-u bez ikakvog ispitivanja da li je tramp izgovorio 20 000 lazi?

Ko je rekao da treba da verujemo WP-u bez ikakvog ispitivanja?

 

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Je l ti to hoces da mi kazes da neces da raspravljas sa ljudima da li WP laze, nego svi mora da prihvatimo da WP ne laze i da tramp stvarno ima 20 000 lazi? 

Naravno da neću... ono što hoću da kažem, ja i kažem... ali tebe to naravno ne sprečava da uvek "debatuješ" ne sa onim što sam ja rekao, nego da "debatuješ" sa nečim što si sam smislio...

 

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Orvelijalizam je druze kada imas  ministarstvo istine (washington post) i kada ono sto oni izjave nije za diskusiju, vec mora da se smatra istinom. U isti si odavno zasao.... 

Osim što nemam... ne mogu ni da otvorim taj link jer mora da se plati a neću da im platim... naveo sam ih samo kao primer za veću cifru, u zagradi i ne uz tvrdnju da je to tačno već da je toliko po njima, ali naravno da je to jedino za šta možeš da se uhvatiš i da vrtiš celu poruku oko svoje fantazije...

Pri čemu, nemoj da misliš da se ne primećuje da si najbitniju stvar iz poruke preskočio - moj odgovor na to šta smatram Trampovom najopasnijom laži...

 

 

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Ja hocu da diskutujem o trampovim lazima, jer naravno da jeste bitno da li laze i koliko i za sta.

Jok, ti hoćeš da smaraš do besvesti da bi ljudi odustali od toga da pričaju bilo šta protiv tvog ljubimca orangutana... jer evo uopšte i ne diskutuješ o Trampovoj laži koja je navedena u poruci na koju repliciraš, već:

1. baljezgaš o tome kako šatro treba da verujemo WP-u bez ispitivanja

2. baljezgaš o tome da ja imam ministarstvo istine, o čijim tvrdnjama ne sme da se raspravlja

3. pričaš u prazno o čemu hoćeš da diskutuješ.

4. fantaziraš o tome šta ja hoću i zašto

5. postaviš pitanje na koje znaš odgovor

i to je to ... to je cela tvoja poruka u kojoj "diskutuješ o trampovim lažima"... jel sam nešto propustio?

 

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Ti neces, ti hoces da uzmemo kao cinjenicu da je covek lazov koji ima 20 000 lazi, i sve to zato sto nam je wp rekao. 

Jok... čovek je lažov zato što stalno laže, što i sam priznaš s vremena na vreme, kad nisi u fazonu da hoćeš da smaraš na ovaj način.

Ja uopšte neću da uzmemo to kao činjenicu zato što je WP toliko pobrojao... broj je irelevantan...

 

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Ko je tu vise orvellian? Ja ili ti? Razmisli dobro... 
 

Ti.

 

[Dragi]

пре 12 минута, obi-wan рече

Dobro rece o. Nenad Ilic posle onih provala oko Oskara - ako ovako ostane, `Murici se ne pise dobro.

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Trump nominated for second Nobel Peace Prize following Serbia-Kosovo

NYPOST.COM

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In a Friday morning tweet, Magnus Jacobsson, a member of the Swedish Parliament, announced he was nominating the Trump administration and the two European nations.

Trump nominated for second Nobel Peace Prize following Serbia-Kosovo deal

WASHINGTON — President Trump has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for a second time this week — this time for brokering a historic peace deal between Serbia and breakaway republic Kosovo.

In a Friday morning tweet, Magnus Jacobsson, a member of the Swedish Parliament, announced he was nominating the Trump administration and the two European nations for their “joint work for peace and economic development, through the cooperation agreement signed in the White House.”

“Trade and communications are important building blocks for peace,” Jacobsson wrote, sharing his letter to the Nobel Committee.

On Wednesday, the president was nominated for the prestigious award by a member of the Norwegian Parliament for helping broker a peace deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates.

“For his merit, I think he has done more trying to create peace between nations than most other Peace Prize nominees,” Christian Tybring-Gjedde told Fox News.

According to the official Nobel website, there were 318 candidates for the 2020 Peace Prize. The winner of the prize for 2021 will not be announced until October of next year.

Trump last Friday hosted the leaders of Serbia and Kosovo to sign a landmark economic normalization agreement.

Kosovo split from Serbia in 2008, declaring independence with US assistance following a genocidal war waged by then-Serbian strongman Slobodan Milošević which killed 10,000 Muslim ethnic Albanians.

“It took decades because you didn’t have anybody trying to get it done,” Trump said in the Oval Office, flanked by Kosovo Prime Minister Avdullah Hoti and Serbia President Aleksandar Vučić.

“There was a lot of fighting and now there’s a lot of love,” he continued.

Serbia still does not recognize Kosovo’s independence but it allows economic cooperation, rail and transit links, and the free movement of people and goods between the two countries.

The Serbian president praised Trump and said he had done a “great job,” while Kosovo’s leader hailed Trump’s “commitment to peace.”

The deal came on the heels of another agreement brokered a peace deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates — the first normalization of relations between Israel and an Arab nation in decades.

The agreement, known as the Abraham Accords, will be officially signed at the White House next Tuesday with delegations from Israel and the UAE.

The diplomatic breakthrough will see increased tourism and investment between the two nations in a move that angered Iran.

On Friday afternoon, the White House announced that the tiny kingdom of Bahrain would follow the UAE in normalizing relations with Israel as the Trump administration pushes for peace in the Middle East.

“When I took office, the Middle East was in a state of absolute chaos,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office.

“As more countries normalize relations with Israel, which will happen quite quickly, we believe, the region will become more and more stable, secure and prosperous,” he said.

Barack Obama was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, his first year in office, for his work in easing tensions with the Muslim world after 9/11 and helping rid of the world of nuclear weapons.

The committee’s decision shocked many, including Obama himself.

The committee’s ex-secretary in a 2015 interview said that it had been a mistake and revealed the award did not bolster Obama as they had hoped.

“Even many of Obama’s supporters believed that the prize was a mistake,” Geir Lundestad said. “In that sense the committee didn’t achieve what it had hoped for.”

Izborna kampanja. Svako svakog može da nominuje za tu nobelu nagradu. Mogu i ja tebe da nomijuem i ti mene^^

Druga je stvar da li će nominacija da se uvaži.

Meni je Trump'a nekako dosta posle one akcije sa Vučićem, mada je Vučić jednako kriv što igra ludaru. A da je Vučić izvukao neke kompenzacije za Srpsku i Crnu Goru, to je pitanje i koliko Trump može o tome da odlučuje.

[obi-wan]

пре 4 минута, Dragi рече

Izborna kampanja.

O tome se i radi. Stvari su tamo zacementirane oko borbe za prevlast. Sve ostalo je u sluzbi toga. Jezivo.

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пре 1 сат, haveaniceday рече

Kome jos uvek nije jasno zasto je Tucker popularan, evo ovde gde se zalaze za pardon Asanza... al dobro populista je prica ljudima sta oce da cuju.  
 

 

Da, ovde je baš lepo i potpuno objektivno objašnjeno ovo iz naslova, zašto (Trampovo) ministarstvo pravde agresivno juri Asanža... pa zbog Obame i Hilari Klinton naravno... ali eto Tramp bi mogao da ga pomiluje i možda će to i uraditi...