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[MKD13]

пре 1 минут, o. Miroljub рече

 

Типично за све бивше Србе, а нарочито за ове заблуделе македонствујушче бугарофиле и квази НАТО-профанариоте, чији су национално-црквени шизоидни идентитет бабичили њихови “добротвори”, комунци!

 

И тако до прве прилике док овим белосветским зулумћарима нека друга тренутна и овосветско-белосветска сила не стане за врат. Као неки наши суседи који су са фашистима и национал-социјалистима кренули на Москву, а онда се прешалтовали, па са црвеном армијом кренули на Берлин! 

 

Jl mogu ja da glasam na onoj anketi?

Ti oce bolje proveri svoj identitet? Mozda dogemo na isto.

[o. Miroljub]

пре 6 минута, MKD13 рече

Jl mogu ja da glasam na onoj anketi?

Ti oce bolje proveri svoj identitet? Mozda dogemo na isto.

 

‘Ајде, ‘ајде, ако већ ниси. Vote early and vote often! - као демократе и неолиберали у Америци. 

 

Православни Христољубиви Србин - ћириличар! То је мој идентитет!

 

[MKD13]

пре 4 минута, o. Miroljub рече

 

‘Ајде, ‘ајде, ако већ ниси. Vote early and vote often! - као демократе и неолиберали у Америци. 

 

Православни Христољубиви Србин - ћириличар! То је мој идентитет!

 

NIsam glasao, i necu, ne zanima me...

Kad bi mene stavili tamo mislim da bi ja pobedio

[o. Miroljub]

пре 17 минута, MKD13 рече

NIsam glasao, i necu, ne zanima me...

Kad bi mene stavili tamo mislim da bi ja pobedio

 

Ни ја не бих гласао да је твоје или било чије име тамо, као што нисам и нећу. Та врста бесмислица која спада у несувисле играрије за млађе и старије ни мене не занима, него сам био прозван. Нисам успео ни да завршим чураско стејк са чимичура умаком (чекали смо лебац), кад оно, нестадоше моји светлописни коментари. Мора да много иритирам неког од модератора. 

 

[MKD13]

Kao shto napisah na praznik svete prepodobnomucenice Paraskeve, po sred Grcke, blizu Soluna episkop PCU Cernievski German, je sasluzivao sa pet grckih vladika i brojno svestenstvo.

Na liturgiji su sasluzivali ne samo jerarsi iz tz."novih zamalja" vec i "ne konstantinopolski" mitropolit Arte Kalinik.

Pored njega i domacina mitropolita Joana bio jos i mitropolit Verije i Nause Panteljemon i dva episkopa bez katedre Amorijski Nikifor i  Termski Dimitrije.

Od svestenstva vredi da se izdvoji Arhimandrit Vartolomej iguman svetogorskog manastira Esfigmenu.

Interesantno je da o ovom dogagaju skoro svi sute, nema reakcije za sada ni od Moskve, ni SPC, pa ni od zvanicne eladske crkve...

Cekamo da se javi sa protesnom notu mitropolit ILarion Alfeev).

[srb_Lo]

пре 12 часа, MKD13 рече

Ti kad lupas, lupas iz naivnosti. Onda bi ukrainci  mogli da sluze u veci deo Grcke i to ne bi znacilo nishta? Za Antima nisam te razumeo, i on isto spada u "Nove Zemlje"... 

Sve je jasno sa grcima, a meni je bilo to jasno jos na pocetku, na ovoj temi sam pisao... Sledeci su rumuni, vec pregovaraju...

Не би могли зато што би их већина истерала . Као што не могу да служе на целој Светој Гори која је под Цариградом 

[Trifke]

пре 13 часа, MKD13 рече

 

 Sledeci su rumuni, vec pregovaraju...

Ah da Rumuni su poznati po tome što vole da im neko drugi okuplja sunarodnjake makar to bilo i van njihove teritorije a naročito pošto su Ujrajinci rešili da osnuju eparhiju za njih. 

[The Godfather]

http://orthochristian.com/122735.html

[Vladan :::.]

1 hour ago, The Godfather рече

http://orthochristian.com/122735.html

 

EPIPHANY CLAIMS CHURCH OF GREECE “DE-FACTO RECOGNIZED” UKRAINIAN SCHISMATICS

Kiev, July 28, 2019

The OCU “Primate” Epiphany recently claimed, as the Union of Orthodox Journalists reported, that because a Greek Orthodox хierarch reportedly served with his bishops, this indicates de-facto recognition from the Church of Greece. Closer examination reveals this statement is a massive exercise in equivocation, if not an outright fabrication. Here is what actually happened, according to the Union of Orthodox Journalists:

Metropolitan Ioannis (Tassias), a Hierarch of the Church of Greece visited and served with Epiphany and the schismatics of the OCU in Saint Sophia’s Cathedral of Kiev. However, His Eminence is the Metropolitan of Langadas, which is part of the “New Lands” of the Church of Greece.

The New Lands (or New Territories) are a group of around 35 dioceses in Northern Greece which are under a very peculiar canonical position as a result of a complicated history with Constantinople. These territories are in fact, under a form of “duel subordination,” which is to say they are regarded as under the “stewardship” of the Church of Greece, however they are ultimately subject to the Throne of Constantinople. Six out of the twelve members of the Holy Synod of the Church of Greece are Metropolitans of the New Lands, effectively meaning Constantinople can (in)directly influence the Church of Greece via these hierarchs who are confirmed by and ultimately subject to his throne.

This situation was previously discussed in the article “About Good Doctor Aibolit and the Greek Orthodox Church.”

It is therefore incorrect and entirely misleading to assert that because Metropolitan Ioannis, a hierarch of the New Lands, served with the OCU, the Church of Greece effectively recognizes them. As a hierarch of the New Lands, Metropolitan Ioannis is ultimately subject to the Patriarchate of Constantinople, and in that capacity, he already de-facto recognizes who Constantinople recognizes.

This de-facto recognition, however, does not apply to the majority of the Church of Greece, which is directly answerable only to the Holy Synod and the Archbishop of Athens. Even if an individual hierarch of the Church of Greece proper did serve with the OCU, which has not yet happened, this still wouldn’t indicate any recognition from Greece, as only the Holy Synod can make this decision.

Many experts, especially acclaimed Greek priest and Theologian Fr. Theodore Zisis, have already noted that the issue is largely deadlocked in Athens. Reportedly, some members of the Greek Church were very concerned Constantinople may try and seize the New Lands if they didn’t support the OCU, whereas others pointed to this as evidence of the Phanar trying to control them.

It is worth noting though, that despite being under extreme political pressure, the Holy Synod of the Church of Greece has still not voted to recognize the schismatics, and this alone is a powerful sign.

Many Greek Hierarch have already outright condemned the schismatics, such as Metropolitans Seraphim of Piraeus (and here) Nektarios of Corfu, Paxoi, and the Diapontian Islands, Seraphim of Kythira, and Ambrose of Kalavryta. The Metropolis of Piraeus has also called upon the Synod not to recognize the Ukrainian schismatics.

Epiphany, however, continues to be confident that other Local Churches will slowly recognize the OCU. To this end, he even announced the creation of a Romanian Vicarate to attempt to coax the Romanian Orthodox Church into recognizing the OCU, though the recognition of a church should stand on canonical grounds alone.

While Metropolitan Ioannis serving with the OCU schismatics does not constitute de-facto recognition, due to him ultimately being subordinated to Constantinople, having a hierarch of the Church of Greece — who is ultimately under Constantinople at the same time—serving with the schismatics does not heal any situation, but simply further muddies the waters in this already confusing time.

Matfey Shaheen

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7/29/2019

 

[Bokisd]

Da, izgleda da je vrlo komplikovana situacija u Grckoj i valjda nece prevladati ta severna struja u GC.

[Баба]

Омаче им се

 

 

[Vladan :::.]

пре 5 минута, Жељко рече

Омаче им се

А Епимафије је вероватно сликао?

 

[Trifke]

https://tass.com/world/1070799?fbclid=IwAR2ZdS39u-zpKKR9tK3qzgmSklfR1k5UDg994upWuEMl64FnJKss0fMHUTk

Constantinople should find common ground with Moscow to overcome split, says metropolitan

The cleric is sure that handing over the Tomos of Autocephaly to the Orthodox Church of Ukraine has dealt a serious blow to the Constantinople Patriarchate

Metropolitan bishop of Montenegro and the Littoral Amfilohije

© Yuri Mashkov/TASS

BELGRADE, July 29. /TASS/. The Constantinople Patriarchate should convene the Pan-Orthodox Council and come to terms with the Russian Orthodox Church in order to overcome the Orthodox Church split, Metropolitan bishop of Montenegro and the Littoral Amfilohije said in an interview with TASS on Monday.

"The only thing that Constantinople could do today is to gain strength because it is not easy for it and to convene the Pan-Orthodox Council, agree with the Moscow Patriarchate and find a solution in order to overcome the split in the church. I believe this is the only thing that can be done," the metropolitan noted.

According to one of the leading hierarchs of the Serbian Orthodox Church, the decision on handing over the Tomos of Autocephaly to the newly-established Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU) has dealt a serious blow to the Constantinople Patriarchate. "This is a serious damage for the Constantinople Patriarchate. All conferences of bishops, which used to be held earlier around the world, have been almost suspended both in Latin America and in Europe. Constantinople sees that it hasn’t done any wise thing either for Russia or for the entire Orthodoxy. This is a tragic story," he pointed out.

The metropolitan has condemned the Constantinople Patriarchate’s decision to elect Epiphanius as the Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine. "This has created such an unprecedented feud inside the Orthodox Church. No local church has recognized this [the creation of the so-called Orthodox Church of Ukraine]," he said, stressing: "I’m sure that what has been done in Ukraine was under the pressure of the United States and Europe."

 

The metropolitan noted that the Constantinople Patriarchate has 2,000 believers in Turkey and Fener, a historic quarter in Constantinople housing the residence of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, who are facing a disaster. "By their actions they are ruining their foundations," he claimed.

Church crisis in Ukraine

Since the February 2014 coup, Kiev has sought to create an independent church in Ukraine that would sever ties with the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. In April 2018, the then-Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko wrote a letter to Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople asking for autocephaly for the Ukrainian church.

On December 15, 2018, Kiev hosted the so-called ‘unification’ council held under the supervision of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and brokered by the Ukrainian authorities. The canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church refused to take part in the event, stressing that both the ‘unification council’ and Poroshenko’s newly founded ecclesiastical establishment were illegitimate. Nevertheless, after the council, the Ukrainian president announced the establishment of a new church in the country, the so-called Orthodox Church of Ukraine. The Tomos of Autocephaly (a clerical decree on establishing an independent church) was handed over to its head, Metropolitan Epiphanius, on January 6.

[Vladan :::.]

пре 5 минута, Trifke рече

The only thing that Constantinople could do today is to gain strength because it is not easy for it and to convene the Pan-Orthodox Council, agree with the Moscow Patriarchate...

Дакле, отприлике, никад...

 

[александар живаљев]