Raskol se zahuktava

[srb_Lo]

Бугари им оспоравају нацију , Грци име ( не везано за споразум да је био референдум неби прошао већина Грка као и Црква су били против) Шиптари би пола државе да им отимају али опет смо ми Срби криви за све, а нисмо ратовали и мирно су се одцепили од нас .

[srb_Lo]

Кад би се њихова “МПЦ” још смирила могли би бити права браћа и по крви и по канонском јединству . 

[свештеник Александар]

пре 2 минута, Просечан србенда рече

Тако је, моји родитељи имају већ четрдесет година имају Македонце за кућне пријатеље.

Тако је Србендо.

[srb_Lo]

Знам такође из личног искуства да много Македонаца у дијаспори иде у наше храмове и не постоје никакви проблеми нити их је ико икада напао због црквене ситуације у Македонији нити им оспоравао национални идентитет . 

[Ведран*]

пре 5 минута, srb_Lo рече

Знам такође из личног искуства да много Македонаца у дијаспори иде у наше храмове и не постоје никакви проблеми нити их је ико икада напао због црквене ситуације у Македонији нити им оспоравао национални идентитет . 

Тачно тако.

Уопште није потребно било шта доказивати. Дотични је само нешто своје лично пројектовао. 

Као да је рекао небо је црвено. То није потребно доказивати. Чак и слепцу би рекао само једном или два-три пута да је небо ипак плаво. А ако би он и даље терао по своме, сматрао би га неурачуњивим. 

[Vladan :::.]

Changes are coming to the American, Australian, and British Churches under the Ecumenical Patriarchate, according to Patriarch Bartholomew’s own words following a recent Divine Liturgy in Istanbul.

In a video posted on the Patriarchate’s Facebook page, Pat. Bartholomew speaks about holding elections to replace the primates of the Greek Orthodox Archdioceses in the English-speaking world, reports the National Herald.

There have long been reports that Pat. Bartholomew has been trying to oust Archbishop Demetrios of America, though this is the first time the plans have been publicly addressed. It is unclear who will replace the Archbishop.

In November, the National Herald reported, with reference to its own sources, that Pat. Bartholomew had requested Abp. Demetrios’ resignation for the third time, not wanting to replace him without an official resignation. The Patriarch accepted the Archbishop’s request to delay his removal until after Pascha.

On February 7, the National Herald again reported on the imminent removal of Abp. Demetrios, as well as the possibility of breaking up the Archdioceses of Australia and of Thyateira and Great Britain into various Archdioceses respectively.

In his recent words following the Liturgy, Pat. Bartholomew said that the Patriarchate will be holding elections for new primates in the three mentioned Archdioceses, stating that the elections are part of the sacred responsibilities of the Mother Church.

He also spoke of the recent granting of autocephaly to the new Ukrainian church, stating that the Patriarchate does not get involved in politics.

The National Herald reports that the Archdiocese of America has been plagued by numerous financial scandals under Abp. Demetrios, which have reportedly frustrated the Patriarch.

Meanwhile, Archbishop Stylianos of Australia is 83 years old and suffering from a serious illness that hinders his ability to fulfill his duties. Archbishop Gregorios in the United Kingdom is 90 years old, and there are said to be many problems in his Archdiocese, which Pat. Bartholomew recently went to see first-hand, incognito.

http://orthochristian.com/119446.html?fbclid=IwAR0sNzPULojETIZthp2mb07J9vHfRKSnNXupvgz6gEnAZqhOs9qhUjaAEZs

[Vladan :::.]

Управо сада, Vladan :::. рече

He also spoke of the recent granting of autocephaly to the new Ukrainian church, stating that the Patriarchate does not get involved in politics.

 

или што би рекао @Bokisd: 

[Vladan :::.]

Commentary on the Ukrainian Issue for the Cypriot Holy Synod

 

The Holy Synod of the Church of Cyprus issued a very diplomatic statement on the Ukrainian issue yesterday, though it was not signed by every bishop on the Synod. Without directly placing any blame, the statement is hard on the Russian Church while not criticizing any of the actions of the Patriarchate of Constantinople. Nevertheless, the Cypriot Synod did not recognize the so-called “Orthodox Church of Ukraine” as a legitimate church and has not entered into Eucharistic communion with them.

A translation of the Synodal statement is available on Orthodox Synaxis.

After the Synod’s statement was released, a personal statement from His Eminence Metropolitan Nikiforos of Kykkos was published on the Greek site Romfea, which speaks much more directly about the errors of the Patriarchate of Constantinople’s actions in Ukraine and the impossibility of having communion with the Ukrainian schismatics.

From the moment that the question of the autocephaly of the Ukrainian Church first arose, we have openly spoken in its favor. In communication with various people—both Church and secular—I have insisted that, in essence, the practice that a politically independent country has its own autocephalous Church prevails in Orthodoxy today.

However, I had hoped that this—certainly desirable—autocephalous Orthodox Ukrainian Church would be established not in haste and in a rush, but gradually, with great attention and in agreement with Orthodox tradition, the sacred canons, and generally the totality of the Church-canonical law of our holy Orthodox Church.

Unfortunately, the entire process of proclaiming and recognizing the autocephaly of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church did not proceed by the democratic Orthodox conciliar process; it was not democratic and conciliar sentiments and tendencies that triumphed in it, but, as sad as it is to admit, authoritarian and autocratic.

Although His All-Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople acknowledged and confirmed by his letter more than twenty years ago the deposition and excommunication of Metropolitan Philaret and his followers as schismatics from the Russian Orthodox Church and in general from the Body of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church; although three years ago, at the Synaxis of Primates in 2016, as His Beatitude Patriarch Kirill of Moscow reports in his open letter, the Patriarch of Constantinople promised that he wouldn’t do this, that he wouldn’t unilaterally grant autocephalous status to the Ukrainian Church and especially to schismatics—despite all of this, he completely without any reason began the process of granting autocephaly to the above-mentioned church. Moreover, what’s even sadder, after twenty years, and his own written agreement with the reprisals imposed on Philaret notwithstanding, he nevertheless restored the above-mentioned condemned person, contradicting himself and restoring those deposed and condemned by the Russian Orthodox Church.

In my humble opinion, this action is anti-canonical from the point of view of the sacred canons, which say that any reproach, deposition, and excommunication can be removed only by that body which imposed it and only under the condition of the repentance of those condemned. Therefore, only the Orthodox Moscow Patriarchate had the right to restore Philaret and the canonical jurisdiction to return him to the bosom of the Orthodox Church.

The biggest mistake made by the Ecumenical Patriarch, from my humble point of view, is the contemptuous disregard for Metropolitan Onuphry, the Metropolitan of the only Ukrainian Orthodox Church having general canonical recognition, and also the recognition, instead of him, of Epiphany, having no canonical ordination, as Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine, and also the handing of a tomos of autocephaly to him while concelebrating with him.

Most blessed and most holy brothers!

I can draw only one conclusion. Sadly enough, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew’s granting of autocephalous status to the schismatic community of Philaret and Epiphany not only did not heal the existing schism in Ukraine, but on the contrary, aggravated it. Now, after the granting of the tomos, we see a tragic reality: In Ukraine there exists a canonical Church under Metropolitan Onuphry and a schismatic community under the leadership of the defrocked Philaret and Epiphany. Obviously, there is a danger that after three years of military confrontation, the Ukrainian people will now be divided by a religious confrontation. Even greater is another danger: The unhealed Ukrainian schism could affect, as many have already said, the entire Body of universal Orthodoxy, with which, alas, it proved to be connected.

Thus, I believe that we, the Holy Synod of the Cypriot Church, cannot recognize the schismatic Epiphany, having no canonical ordination, as the canonical Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine. It is even more unacceptable for us to have Eucharistic communion with unordained schismatics.

Thus, my humble proposals are as follows:

1. Our Holy Synod should not side with either the Moscow Patriarch or the Ecumenical, so as not to damage the mediation efforts of the Church of Cyprus to achieve a canonical solution to the problem.

I also express the fear that the worst would happen—that the Slavic Churches would side with the Moscow Patriarchate and the Greeks with the Ecumenical Patriarchate. That would make it a long-lasting schism (to the great joy of the enemies of universal Orthodox).

2. Our Holy Synod should support the proposal of His Beatitude Patriarch John of Antioch to soon convene a pan-Orthodox council or (if it is difficult or even impossible) a Synaxis of the primates, where the Ukrainian issue can be discussed and a canonical resolution will be found in agreement with the sacred canons and Tradition of the Orthodox Church.

3. I believe that the Cypriot Church, having received autocephaly at the Third Ecumenical Council, endowed with authority and crowned with the light of the Eastern Church, can and should play a decisive mediating role in the implementation of the above proposals and the resolution of the problem situation.

Metropolitan Nikiforos of Kykkos

http://orthochristian.com/119457.html?fbclid=IwAR01srUrO_mYlxyApF8BE8GDgiFookEt0f9r488epHAVAi3RwOtQf1HS2Ag

[Vladan :::.]

Управо сада, Vladan :::. рече

the Patriarch of Constantinople promised that he wouldn’t do this, that he wouldn’t unilaterally grant autocephalous status to the Ukrainian Church and especially to schismatics—despite all of this, he completely without any reason began the process of granting autocephaly to the above-mentioned church

 

пре 9 минута, Vladan :::. рече

Archdiocese of America has been plagued by numerous financial scandals under Abp. Demetrios, which have reportedly frustrated the Patriarch

 

[o. Miroljub]

пре 27 минута, srb_Lo рече

Знам такође из личног искуства да много Македонаца у дијаспори иде у наше храмове и не постоје никакви проблеми нити их је ико икада напао због црквене ситуације у Македонији нити им оспоравао национални идентитет . 

 

Имам их и ја у парохији и волим их и ценим као најрођеније, као што сам већ и раније рекао. Најбољи другови у војсци и на студијама су ми били и остали Македонци. 

 

[o. Miroljub]

пре 17 минута, Vladan :::. рече

Changes are coming to the American, Australian, and British Churches under the Ecumenical Patriarchate, according to Patriarch Bartholomew’s own words following a recent Divine Liturgy in Istanbul.

In a video posted on the Patriarchate’s Facebook page, Pat. Bartholomew speaks about holding elections to replace the primates of the Greek Orthodox Archdioceses in the English-speaking world, reports the National Herald.

There have long been reports that Pat. Bartholomew has been trying to oust Archbishop Demetrios of America, though this is the first time the plans have been publicly addressed. It is unclear who will replace the Archbishop.

In November, the National Herald reported, with reference to its own sources, that Pat. Bartholomew had requested Abp. Demetrios’ resignation for the third time, not wanting to replace him without an official resignation. The Patriarch accepted the Archbishop’s request to delay his removal until after Pascha.

On February 7, the National Herald again reported on the imminent removal of Abp. Demetrios, as well as the possibility of breaking up the Archdioceses of Australia and of Thyateira and Great Britain into various Archdioceses respectively.

In his recent words following the Liturgy, Pat. Bartholomew said that the Patriarchate will be holding elections for new primates in the three mentioned Archdioceses, stating that the elections are part of the sacred responsibilities of the Mother Church.

He also spoke of the recent granting of autocephaly to the new Ukrainian church, stating that the Patriarchate does not get involved in politics.

The National Herald reports that the Archdiocese of America has been plagued by numerous financial scandals under Abp. Demetrios, which have reportedly frustrated the Patriarch.

Meanwhile, Archbishop Stylianos of Australia is 83 years old and suffering from a serious illness that hinders his ability to fulfill his duties. Archbishop Gregorios in the United Kingdom is 90 years old, and there are said to be many problems in his Archdiocese, which Pat. Bartholomew recently went to see first-hand, incognito.

http://orthochristian.com/119446.html?fbclid=IwAR0sNzPULojETIZthp2mb07J9vHfRKSnNXupvgz6gEnAZqhOs9qhUjaAEZs

 

Овде у Америци се већ дуго мећу Грцима проносе гласине, које наводно цуре из архонтске кујне, да им долази +Емануил галски уместо +Димитрија.

 

 

[o. Miroljub]

1 hour ago, Ведран* рече

Напротив, већина Срба их сматра делом свога народа, и не доживљавају их уопште као неко друго национално тело. Као и Црногорце. 

 

 

Кад помену Црногорце, моја покојна мајка је по очевој линији из братства Мартиновића и од Шекулара, а неколико генерација је живело у Пећи, где су се родили и мој наврдеда, чукундеда, прадеда, деда и мајка. Курђел се спустио (вероватно под ручну јер је стрмо) из Шекулара у Пећ. Таман посла да не волим Црногорце кад сам са њима крвно везан! 

Ево и доказ:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ведран*]

пре 24 минута, o. Miroljub рече

 

Овде у Америци се већ дуго мећу Грцима проносе гласине, које наводно цуре из архонтске кујне, да им долази +Емануил галски уместо +Димитрија.

 

 

А чује се да ће архиепископију у АУ да сецирају. 

Ту је Стилијанос. Чекају да умре. А сви његови викрани који би и могли ту да буду и наследници, или већина, су одани Стилијаносу, а он је Бартов каменчић у ципели одавно. 

Према томе сецирање. 

 

[Bokisd]

пре 51 минута, Vladan :::. рече

пре 52 минута, Vladan :::. рече

He also spoke of the recent granting of autocephaly to the new Ukrainian church, stating that the Patriarchate does not get involved in politics.

 

или што би рекао @Bokisd: 

[srb_Lo]

Занимљиво је плате грчких свештеника у дијаспори плаћа грчка држава и сви су службеници државе као нпр полицајци . Клирици грчке Цркве па оду у иностранство па одмах спадају под Васељенску па кад се врате у пензију у Грчку опет Клирици Атинске Архиепископије . Грчка плаћа а Цариград узима огромне приходе из САД,Аустрлаије,Немачке и УК.