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[Zoran Đurović]

пре 18 минута, Hadzi Vladimir Petrovic рече

у обману тешко да је измислио Игњатије и ако је вјероватно пристао на то.

Мени је човек послао ујутро, на јасном српском језику, којој махинацији је Иги прибегао, а ја сам схватио тек увече! То је толико глупа до бола фора да нисам могао да поверујем. Зато ни очигледно нисам разумео и тек увече ми се отворише очи! Фора је толико глупа и подмукла да сам остао без текста! Иги је још добро прошао. 

 

[Zoran Đurović]

пре 2 минута, Mon Amour рече

Лакше дишемо сад, хвала на појашњењу. Ипак су брод и кормило Цркв е у добрим рукама, Црква плови ка јединству и неће бити бродолома!

Слава Теби Господе! Утешно је читати ове редке! Хвала до неба!

Па нисам ти до краја казао пророштво, прерано си се обрадовала...

[The Godfather]

@Mon Amour kako te ne mrzi da non - stop otvaras nove profile? Radis li jos nesto osim sto prckas po tastaturi?

[Просечан србенда]

пре 6 минута, Mon Amour рече

Ви патите од колективног вируса а тај вирус се зове попадијица, али ја то нисам, занимљава сте екипа признајем. 

Ниси попадија али волиш да "попујеш" 

[Vuk Mob]

Мислим да Синод прави огромну грешку недостатком транспарентности. Ту има више разлога ментални склоп синодалаца, поштовање традиције итд, међутим дугорочно гледано питање је времена када ће и Синод бити присиљен да буде транспарентнији. У Грчкој се одлуке Синода објављују у црквеном гласнику, нормално се снима Сабор итд. Код нас је све хистерија мистерија, а на крају са два клика преко Вибера сви добију све документе,а Синод испада грбав.

Конкретно у овом случају, Синоду и онима који су видјели документе је јасно да је владика Игнатије направио неопростиву грешку, због које би добио отказ и у фирми своје маме, а камоли на факуклтеу. Јасно ми је што Синод не жели да објави то јер би га онда морали барем ријешити епархије, ако не и више, те покушавају да се преступ не објављује јер очито не желе да га даље гоне. Толико о злобонсти Синодалаца и њиховој жељи да их скину са катедри. Да су заиста непријатељи, Синод би сад након овога могао да разбуца и Максима и Игнатија, као свиња масну кесу. Но, жеље очито нема.

 Међутим, мени није јасно како се Игнатије и даље држи Максима кад види да га вуче на дно. Игнатије јесте сав у причи, слобода, личност заједница, канони и закони су без везе, али ако ти свјесно потпишеш лажан документ и свјесно љубави ради дјетињасто обманеш Патријарха и Синод, онда је јасно да си прекршио етичке норме. Разлог за смјену декана, па и свих професора по Статуту јесте кршење етике.

Максим је црна рупа, са собом је у понор повукао Марка Вилотића, ево и владику Игнатија, па сад и Ђаковца итд. Ко још мора да страда да би он и даље гурао своју причу, преко лажи и преваре? Чини се да је Вукашин Миличевић у најави. Не знам шта му је сем простог ината стало до те катедре? Он је био 15 година професор, и да није било свега овога требало је да оде. Гордост је највећи гријех, ништа није научио од свог духовног бабе, који је читав живот све око себе смиравао. 

[Zoran Đurović]

пре 2 часа, Жичанин рече

https://politikon.rs/2019/10/24/ekskluzivno-vucic-preko-crkvenih-poslusnika-priprema-priznanje-kosova/

Видео сам тај дебилни текст. Није ми јасно само ко се на то прима.  

[srb_Lo]

пре 26 минута, Zoran Đurović рече

Видео сам тај дебилни текст. Није ми јасно само ко се на то прима.  

Требињски тамбураши 

[The Godfather]

Metropolitan Hilarion’s hope in Holy Spirit and prayers of Elder Sophrony to overcome schism draws criticism

ORTHOCHRISTIAN.COM

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Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev), the Chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate’s...

 

[Vladan :::.]

METROPOLITAN HILARION’S HOPE IN HOLY SPIRIT AND PRAYERS OF ELDER SOPHRONY TO OVERCOME SCHISM DRAWS CRITICISM

Englewood, New Jersey, October 25, 2019

Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev), the Chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate’s Department for External Church Relations, met with Archbishop Elpidophoros of the Patriarchate of Constantinople’s Greek Archdiocese of North America on Wednesday, October 23.

This was the first time hierarchs of the Moscow and Constantinople Patriarchates have met since Constantinople invaded Ukrainian Church territory last year, leading to a break in communion between the two Local Churches. The meeting was held at the invitation of Metropolitan Joseph of the Antiochian Archdiocese of North America at the Antiochian headquarters in Englewood, New Jersey.

Met. Hilarion spoke about the meeting in a short interview with RIA-Novosti yesterday.

The Russian hierarch notes that he first met Abp. Elpidophoros at an Orthodox-Lutheran dialogue in Finland 25 years ago, when Met. Hilarion was a priest and Abp. Elpidophoros a deacon. Since then, “there have been many happy and sad events in our relations and in the relations between our Churches,” Met. Hilarion said, noting that it was especially joyful to participate in Abp. Elpidophoros’ consecration to the episcopate, at his invitation.

The sad events are, of course, associated with the Ukrainian crisis, Met. Hilarion noted.

The two hierarchs exchanged views on what happened between the Russian and Constantinople Churches last year and about what could done in this situation.

Asked if they managed to come to any agreement, Met. Hilarion answered that, “we pray for the preservation of the unity of the Orthodox Church. And we hope that this division will be overcome.”

Asked how the division could be overcome, the DECR Chairman responded that all things are possible with God and that, “In the history of the Church, the Holy Spirit repeatedly instructed its clergy to make the right decisions. I believe it is possible in our time too.”

“Perhaps it is no coincidence that our meeting took place the day after Patriarch Bartholomew announced the canonization of the ever-memorable Elder Sophrony,” Met. Hilarion continued. “I knew this holy man well, an outstanding ascetic of our days, a contemplator of the Divine Light, a disciple and follower of St. Silouan of Mt. Athos.”

“I believe that Fr. Sophrony prays for the Russian Church, so dear to him, which nurtured and educated him, and for the Church of Constantinople, which received him into its bosom twice: first, when he came to Mt. Athos, and then when he found himself in difficult circumstances in England. May the prayers of this saint of God help us to preserve the unity of the holy Churches of God, for which we pray at every Liturgy.”

Of course, the interview has been picked up by and reported on by a number of outlets throughout the Orthodox world. Interestingly, while Romfea simply reproduces the translation in Greek, its English version, Orthodox Times, which enjoys the support of the U.S. State Department, criticizes Met. Hilarion for expressing the hope that the division in the Church will be overcome by the Holy Spirit.

“How can this be achieved when the Patriarchate of Moscow has ceased communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate and threatens to do the same with the Church of Greece after the recognition of the Ukrainian Autocephaly?” the English editions asks.

“Metropolitan Hilarion shifts the solution of the matter to the Holy Spirit,” the outlet continues.

Similar ideas have been voiced by several notable hierarchs on the Constantinople side of the Ukrainian crisis. In his proposal for overcoming the Ukrainian crisis, Metropolitan Hierotheos (Vlachos) proposes that a council be convoked that will simply endorse a pre-arranged agenda and decision. As Dionysius Redington writes in his response, “Founded Upon Fallacies,” and as Fr. Edward Henderson explains in his interview with OrthoChristian, that is not historically how councils work, and it leaves little to no room for the Holy Spirit to act through the gathered hierarchs.

“If there is no convergence of opinions beforehand on a specific proposal that the Local Churches will accept, particularly the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Church of Moscow, there is no reason for a Pan-Orthodox Council to take place,” Met. Hierotheos writes.

In his response to the call of Patriarch John of Antioch to convene a pan-Orthodox council to address the Ukrainian crisis, Patriarch Bartholomew responded that, “such a meeting at the Pan-Orthodox level … would be useless inasmuch as it would only lead to agreement that the participants are in disagreement with each other.”

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10/25/2019
 

[ronin]

пре 7 часа, Zoran Đurović рече

Видео сам тај дебилни текст. Није ми јасно само ко се на то прима.  

Талибани са сајта борба за веру и остали њима слични Шошони  

[Vladan :::.]

[The Godfather]

Encouragement from Metropolitan Luke: The Church Will Survive Times of Betrayal - Russian Faith

RUSSIAN-FAITH.COM

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An encouraging note from the illustrious Metropolitan Luke of...

 

[Vladan :::.]

пре 12 минута, The Godfather рече

Encouragement from Metropolitan Luke: The Church Will Survive Times of Betrayal - Russian Faith

RUSSIAN-FAITH.COM

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An encouraging note from the illustrious Metropolitan Luke of...

Лука је у тумачење актуелне ситуације у православљу унео и мало апокалиптике.

Encouragement from Metropolitan Luke: The Church Will Survive Times of Betrayal

"We have come to that time when Truth will reveal itself not in the decisions of Priestly Synods or even Councils of various Churches ... but rather by the faithfulness of each, considered individually, to the Christian dogmas and canons of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church."

An encouraging note from the illustrious Metropolitan Luke of Zaporozhye — Even though a number of high ranking Patriarchs and Bishops may go astray, the true Church will always be present on earth, via individual bishops and people who remain faithful.

Translation provided by Fr. Zechariah Lynch.

 

Christ is in our midst, my dear readers!   

Be faithful to God in word, life, and love!

Reflections on the Statement of the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church.

The dynamic change in world society indicates all the more the acceleration of the process of globalization, which will lead to the last period of human life in this earthly world.

The active involvement of overseas diplomats in the life of the Orthodox Church cannot be explained simply in geopolitical terms. Behind it all a person may sense something more important and significant than political and economic interests. The spirit of universal evil has been activated in the sphere of church relations, for which it was necessary to prepare the soil beforehand.

In the conditions of the last times, the existence of the Church will also change.

The presence of the virtue of faithfulness to Christ will separate the faithful from those who worship the antichrist, whose power in this world will be outwardly presented in the many varying religious traditions, including orthodoxy. Their legitimacy (in the world order) will be determined by their willingness to bow before the image of the beast. Those who refuse to do this will be declared unlawful.

St. Ignatius the God-bearer says: “Where the bishop is, there is the Church.” The fullness of the Church is present in community, which is composed of the bishop - as the successor of the apostles - the college of priests and deacons, and the believing people, united in the Eucharistic gathering. This fullness is self-sufficient and offers to its members everything needful for the knowledge given to us by God our Redeemer.

It is vital for us to understand this truth, so that we may guard the purity of Orthodoxy in the new situations of human society.

In the case of the Churches in Constantinople and Greece we see that the antichrist decisions are not accepted by the fullness of the church, rather they are accepted by top administrators who have been accordingly prepared by the directors of the new world order.

At the same time, in the midst of these Churches there are large amounts of clergy and laity who do not agree with these decisions and remain faithful to holy tradition. It may be said with confidence, that in the future the overseas diplomats will seek to leverage influence on Bishops of other Local Churches, most of all on those who have an authoritative voice.

Yet this, altogether, does not mean that every Local Church will fall away from God due to only the decisions of a small group of people.

It follows that according to the ecclesiology of the holy martyr Ignatius the God-bearer and ancient church tradition, Eucharistic communion must be guarded through inter-church unity with those Eucharistic communities which have not gone down the path of betraying their faith.

According to the spirit of the times and the prophetic words of our Savior, we may assess that faithfulness to the Mother Church will be upheld in holiness on the level of the individual being of each Eucharistic fullness (community), led by those bishops who have not gone down the path of betrayal.

Therefore the Synod of the ROC made a decision to guard Eucharistic communion with those hierarchs who did not receive the noncanonical and robber decisions of the Synod of the hierarchs of the Greek Orthodox Church. This was a correct, deeply considered, and wise decision.

We have come to that time when Truth will reveal itself not in the decisions of Priestly Synods or even Councils of various Churches, which already may be guided by the administrative spirit of this world, but rather by the faithfulness of each, considered individually, to the Christian dogmas and canons of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

We must live and believe in such a manner that we may give a positive answer to the question given by our Savior, “Will He find faith, when He returns to judge the world” (cf. Lk. 18:8)? Only the small flock which has remained faithful to God will say a strong “Yes” to Him.

Metropolitan Luke of Zaporozhye

October 17th, 2019
 

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[emilija]

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