Сведочење библијског Стварања у свету код теолога и научника

[Volim_Sina_Bozjeg]

пре 20 минута, Ana Bjelan рече

treba ih podizati od malih nogu i usmeriti na put istine...

je li zemlja okrugla ili ravna?

[Avocado]

пре 7 минута, о.Горан рече

Углавном, добронамерним читаоцима овог форума препоручујем др Терзина као научника.

Koji konkretno njegov naučni rad preporučuješ da pročitam? Baš sam se zainteresovao...

[Zoran Đurović]

Управо сада, Avocado рече

Koji konkretno njegov naučni rad preporučuješ da pročitam? Baš sam se zainteresovao...

Умирем:)))

[Zoran Đurović]

пре 8 минута, Ana Bjelan рече

evo trazim od tebe da mi ih nadjes, bas me zanima.

Отвори устица и кажи: аааааааааа......  

[Volim_Sina_Bozjeg]

пре 20 минута, Ana Bjelan рече

evo trazim od tebe da mi ih nadjes, bas me zanima. Nije slucajno da su po tom pitanju moji istomisljenici jako pametni i uspesni ljudi

A reci mi koliko dela ili tekstova od svetih otaca su skoro preveli ti ljudi ili možda ćak i ti, da nas uputiš na Put Istine?

Ako imaš te tekstove, da li bi bila ljubazna da ih podeliš sa nama ovde.

I da duguješ mi odgovor, da li je zemlja okrugla ili ravna ?

[Avocado]

Uglavnom, dobronamernim čitaocima ovog foruma, od slatkiša preporučujem Snikers...

[Volim_Sina_Bozjeg]

Управо сада, Avocado рече

Uglavnom, dobronamernim čitaocima ovog foruma, od slatkiša preporučujem Snikers...

Ja bi mars ali forum je čudo Božje pa će ispasti da im preporučujem da idu u peršun. )

[drvce]

пре 1 сат, о.Горан рече

Друго, и мука ми је од вас анонимуса, кажите шта имате под пуним именом и презименом, а не некаква дрвца, авокада и сл.

Ja pricam sa o. Goranom kojeg sam formirao (i formu apdejtujem) na osnovu 400+ postova koje postavio (zapravo, slabic sam, nisam imao snage da iscitam sve) i savrseno me ne zanima da li te postove proizvodi udruga ugursuza, umijetna inteligencija ili ko treci. Tako da mi mnogo prija kada takvom sklopu pripadne muka od drvceta koje u ovakvom obliku postoji samo na ovom forumu i nigde vise. Ako uspes da izdrzis mucninu, doplovices sa nama do dalekih obala i videces cudesa o kojima nisi ni sanjao, jos kako!

Drugo, zar ne pise u Pravilniku da prilikom uclanjenja na forum covek mora da umre da bi ziveo clan?

[Zoran Đurović]

пре 11 часа, Ana Bjelan рече

rece jedan pravoslavni pop i teorija evolucije ostade ziva...

@Avocado 

Овај митрополит је светски признати научник (за разлику од о. Горана који нема никакву диплому у овим дисциплинама), тако да не подржава лупања како еволуција побија Библију. Коме ће сада разумна особа веровати? 

 

His Eminence Metropolitan Nicholas of Mesogaia and Lavreotiki:

 Q. What do you have to say about the theory of evolution? Does it not contradict the teaching of the Church?

 A. In regards to this issue, the teaching of the Church is based on the inspired book of Genesis. This is not a book about Physics or Biology. The important thing it talks about is not whether God molded man from soil and where He found it, but that man was made "in the image and likeness" of God. Everything else falls into details. How can science subvert this? Beyond this, if science improves our understanding of this world and our image of Him, why should we challenge it? The most we can say is that we understand some things better.

 The God-likeness of man, that is, that we are made with divine life and engraved with the purpose of divine likeness, this cannot be changed by science. Though it can be arrogantly challenged by some scientists.

Q. So it doesn't matter if man descended from animals?

 A. What matters is the divine origin of man and his relationship to God, namely that God created us, not how He created us. And also, the danger is not that man descended from the animals, but rather that we end up like them: "People, despite their honor, do not endure; they are like the beasts that perish" (Ps. 49:12). While our purpose is to be like God, we are trying to prove that we are animals?

 The problem therefore is not the scientific confirmation of evolution, but the commitment to the sick interpretation of it. The latter does not prove the non-existence of God, but affirms the impassioned nearsightedness of man. To exchange the divine purpose with an unwise degeneration to an animal! Not even animals would like this.

Q. But we have important similarities with animals and need to find their importance.

 A. The interest in our likeness with animals surprises me. If there was similar interest in our affinity with God, how different things would be. We should discover the significance of this affinity. As for the animals, there are certainly similarities. Our body in one way or another resembles the higher primates. We can even teach animals instinctive virtues. There are so many examples that exist in Holy Scripture. Christ Himself says in the Sermon on the Mount to "look at the birds in the air" and in what way we can imitate them.

 But what matters is our differences from the animals. Man is psychosomatic. This is the source of his value. It is time to turn our attention away from our similarity with animals and towards the possibility of our likeness to God.

 

Source: From the book Αν υπάρχει ζωή, θέλω να ζήσω (If Life Exists, I Want To Live). Translated by John Sanidopoulos.

Metropolitan Nicholas of Mesogaia and Lavreotiki studied Physics at the University of Thessaloniki where he received his Bachelors in 1976, and after serving in the army he continued his studies at Harvard and M.I.T. where he received his Masters of Arts and Masters in Science, and then in a combined program of Harvard and M.I.T. (HST = Health-Sciences-Technology) he received his Ph.D in Biomedical Engineering. Upon completing his studies he worked simultaneously for New England Deaconess Hospital, NASA and Arthur D. Little. After teaching at Harvard and M.I.T., he went on to teach at the School of Medicine at the University of Crete as well as at the University of Athens. He then went back to Boston where he received both a Masters in Theological Studies and a Masters in Theology from Holy Cross School of Theology, and a doctorate from the University of Thessaloniki in Bioethics.

[Zoran Đurović]

Ево шта кажу паметни људи из Ватикана (Ава се упознао лично са Равазијем; поклонио ми је неколико књига јер они имају центар који се бави научним и биоетичким истраживањима и питањима). Тачно је и да се из Августина може читати нека теорија еволуције у заметку. Исто и у Иринеја (Бог створио децу која су требала да одрасту)

The Vatican claims Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity

The Vatican has admitted that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution should not have been dismissed and claimed it is compatible with the Christian view of Creation.

Gianfranco Ravasi: Monsignor Ravasi said Darwin's theories had never been formally condemned by the Roman Catholic Church Photo: EPA

 

By Chris Irvine

8:03AM GMT 11 Feb 2009

 

Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said while the Church had been hostile to Darwin's theory in the past, the idea of evolution could be traced to St Augustine and St Thomas Aquinas.

Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti, Professor of Theology at the Pontifical Santa Croce University in Rome, added that 4th century theologian St Augustine had "never heard the term evolution, but knew that big fish eat smaller fish" and forms of life had been transformed "slowly over time". Aquinas made similar observations in the Middle Ages.

Ahead of a papal-backed conference next month marking the 150th anniversary of Darwin's On the Origin of Species, the Vatican is also set to play down the idea of Intelligent Design, which argues a "higher power" must be responsible for the complexities of life.

The conference at the Pontifical Gregorian University will discuss Intelligent Design to an extent, but only as a "cultural phenomenon" rather than a scientific or theological issue.

Monsignor Ravasi said Darwin's theories had never been formally condemned by the Roman Catholic Church, pointing to comments more than 50 years ago, when Pope Pius XII described evolution as a valid scientific approach to the development of humans.

 

Marc Leclerc, who teaches natural philosophy at the Gregorian University, said the "time has come for a rigorous and objective valuation" of Darwin by the Church as the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birth approaches.

Professor Leclerc argues that too many of Darwin's opponents, primarily Creationists, mistakenly claim his theories are "totally incompatible with a religious vision of reality".

Earlier this week, prominent scientists and leading religious figures wrote to The Daily Telegraph to call for an end to the fighting over Darwin's legacy.

They argued that militant atheists are turning people away from evolution by using it to attack religion while they also urge believers in creationism to acknowledge the overwhelming body of evidence that now exists to support Darwin's theory.

The Church of England is seeking to bring Darwin back into the fold with a page on its website paying tribute to his "forgotten" work in his local parish, showing science and religion need not be at odds.

[о.Горан]

Хахаха,ово је мерак читати... Волим јутарњу забаву кад се пробудим, само напред хаха...

[cloudking]

пре 15 часа, Zoran Đurović рече

Ма венчавам неке моје Италијане што су постали православци, а опет ћу служити у цркви св. Марка Ефеског. Ови ме хтели за кума пошто смо се претходне године тамо упознали и служио сам им за Страсну Недељу и Васкрс. Тамо Артемијева нога никад није крочила нити ће! Дух Свети има смисла за хумор. Никога не присиљавам ни на шта, али ни не запречавам људима да буду у "православном стилу". Господ је велик, ово су заиста дивни људи!

Православље је Лепота, јер је такав и наш Бог. Зато ја каштигам оне који би хтеле да од њега направе карикатуру.  

Daj bre neku vezu da nadjemo da dodjes ovde kod nas za patrijarha?

[Ana B.]

пре 2 часа, Zoran Đurović рече

@Avocado 

Овај митрополит је светски признати научник (за разлику од о. Горана који нема никакву диплому у овим дисциплинама), тако да не подржава лупања како еволуција побија Библију. Коме ће сада разумна особа веровати? 

 

His Eminence Metropolitan Nicholas of Mesogaia and Lavreotiki:

 Q. What do you have to say about the theory of evolution? Does it not contradict the teaching of the Church?

 A. In regards to this issue, the teaching of the Church is based on the inspired book of Genesis. This is not a book about Physics or Biology. The important thing it talks about is not whether God molded man from soil and where He found it, but that man was made "in the image and likeness" of God. Everything else falls into details. How can science subvert this? Beyond this, if science improves our understanding of this world and our image of Him, why should we challenge it? The most we can say is that we understand some things better.

 The God-likeness of man, that is, that we are made with divine life and engraved with the purpose of divine likeness, this cannot be changed by science. Though it can be arrogantly challenged by some scientists.

Q. So it doesn't matter if man descended from animals?

 A. What matters is the divine origin of man and his relationship to God, namely that God created us, not how He created us. And also, the danger is not that man descended from the animals, but rather that we end up like them: "People, despite their honor, do not endure; they are like the beasts that perish" (Ps. 49:12). While our purpose is to be like God, we are trying to prove that we are animals?

 The problem therefore is not the scientific confirmation of evolution, but the commitment to the sick interpretation of it. The latter does not prove the non-existence of God, but affirms the impassioned nearsightedness of man. To exchange the divine purpose with an unwise degeneration to an animal! Not even animals would like this.

Q. But we have important similarities with animals and need to find their importance.

 A. The interest in our likeness with animals surprises me. If there was similar interest in our affinity with God, how different things would be. We should discover the significance of this affinity. As for the animals, there are certainly similarities. Our body in one way or another resembles the higher primates. We can even teach animals instinctive virtues. There are so many examples that exist in Holy Scripture. Christ Himself says in the Sermon on the Mount to "look at the birds in the air" and in what way we can imitate them.

 But what matters is our differences from the animals. Man is psychosomatic. This is the source of his value. It is time to turn our attention away from our similarity with animals and towards the possibility of our likeness to God.

 

Source: From the book Αν υπάρχει ζωή, θέλω να ζήσω (If Life Exists, I Want To Live). Translated by John Sanidopoulos.

Metropolitan Nicholas of Mesogaia and Lavreotiki studied Physics at the University of Thessaloniki where he received his Bachelors in 1976, and after serving in the army he continued his studies at Harvard and M.I.T. where he received his Masters of Arts and Masters in Science, and then in a combined program of Harvard and M.I.T. (HST = Health-Sciences-Technology) he received his Ph.D in Biomedical Engineering. Upon completing his studies he worked simultaneously for New England Deaconess Hospital, NASA and Arthur D. Little. After teaching at Harvard and M.I.T., he went on to teach at the School of Medicine at the University of Crete as well as at the University of Athens. He then went back to Boston where he received both a Masters in Theological Studies and a Masters in Theology from Holy Cross School of Theology, and a doctorate from the University of Thessaloniki in Bioethics.

jako postujem Nikolaja i njegov rad, al ovo je prazna filozofija...

[Zoran Đurović]

пре 16 минута, Ana Bjelan рече

jako postujem Nikolaja i njegov rad, al ovo je prazna filozofija...

Да, пошто си ти склона пуној филозофији! 

[Ana B.]

пре 4 минута, Zoran Đurović рече

Да, пошто си ти склона пуној филозофији! 

ko sto bi Nikolaj rekao u prethodnom postu nesto u stilu to je nebitno za nasu pricu (kakav sam filozof)