Сведочење библијског Стварања у свету код теолога и научника

[Ведран*]

пре 4 часа, Кратос рече

Pa lepo piše od Oca rođenog,znači nosi prirodu Oca u večnosti i ovaploćeni znači da prima stvorenu na sebe...

Амин. И "кроз кога је све постало".

Кроз овога који је Богочовек.

[Снежана]

пре 1 минут, Bokisd рече

Pa, ako te interesuje da pronadjes odgovarajuce objasnjenje ( imas i kod sv.Justina u njegovoj dogmatici )

 

то кад се пеМзионишем и упишем теологију

[Ведран*]

пре 4 часа, Justin Waters рече

Eno sad, otkud znam na kojeg čovjeka misliš? Mene su rodili tata i mama, njih njihova tata i mama i tako dalje...

Подсети ме. Како сам мучио попа кад сам био мали.

 Још у школу нисам пошао. Питам ја њега, Бог је створио човека, а ко је створио Бога? А он вели, па Исуса Христа је родила његова мама Богородица. Ја: аха добро. А Богородицу? Каже попа: њена мама Св Ана. Ја: аха добро. А Св Ану?. Попа већ нервозан, а ја љут. Вели он: Па њена мама!! И већ с мојим родитељима прича нешто, скреће тему. Ја онда: Па одакле онда најпрва мама? 

Он се онако смехну, поглади ме по глави и рече: још си ти мали. 

А што ме тад изнервирао!

Рекох после мојима: овај поп ништа не зна! 

Ене га жив. 

[Снежана]

пре 4 минута, Ведран* рече

Ене га жив. 

још!?!... не радиш ти то нешто како треба 

[Благовесник]

 Са Дрвета живота Адам и Ева нису окусили. Тајна Дрвета Живота је - Христос тј. оваплоћење Христа. О томе имате у Минејима, а и код Св. Отаца, нпр.  Храна Дрвета живота је Логос Божији који силази са неба (Св. Максим Исповедник). Дјева Марија се назива Новом Евом, јер је учинила оно што, јелте, стара Ева није. 

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On 7.9.2018. at 16:13, Tumaralo. рече

Vračevi, gatari, magovi itd. 

https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?27706-Magic-Using-Classes-Professions

Спојлер

A

Abjurer - Protective magic, magic circles and charms.

Adept - A practitioner of magic.

Aeromancer - Magic to do with the element of Air.

Alienist - a wizard who deals with Lovecraftian entities/the Far Realm for power.

Anatomist - Magic to do with the body and physiology. Maybe healing and alteration.

Assayer - A mage that can pinpoint weight, numbers and untis of measurement to exact degrees.

Astrologer - A class that uses the movement of heavenly bodies to predict events, give readings and divine auspicious times for actions.

Alchemist - A maker of potions, lotions or alternatively a searcher for the Philosopher's Stone or alternatively a maker of magic items. Maybe all three!

Apparitionist - Someone who consorts with and summons ghost, phantoms and spectres.

Artificer - A maker of magic items specifically or complex mechanical items. Maybe both.

Arcanists - the magic of magic, those who study magic in all its forms

Animist - Normally tribal spell-caster that has links to the natural world around him. Spells to do with animals, plants and the environment. The belief that every natural thing holds a spirit that can be called upon for aid.

Arch-Magician - a magician who no longer uses spells, instead using sandestins to perform magical feats.

Augurer - those that predict the future through signs birds in flight, clouds, animal intestines etc

B

Badman - The spiritual protector of a tribe. Deals with spirits.

Bard - A performer who affects his targets via his performance. Some are also conversant with legends and tales that may impart knowledge.

Battlemage - A wizard who specialises in combat magics, usually employed by an armed force. Some can master large-scale magics that encompass the battlefield.

Beastmaster - Magic that controls animals, commands them or leads to understanding and friendship.

Beguiler - Similar to the Enchanter, but with more focus on inveigling into families via minor magics and psychological tricks. Insidious.

Blind Seer - A magic user who has lost (or given up) his sight in order to gain the second sight.

Bond-Mage - A mage whose spells create a link to a subject, normally human, but can be a mount or animal companion. Magic can flow between the linked parties for protection, status reports, alarms and location magic.

Botanist - A mage that specialises in natural magic, specifically plants and plant creatures. Their magic can protect crops, increase yields and keep blight away.

C

Cartomancer - someone that predicts the future through cards*

Channeller - A mage that chanels the power of higher beings through their body.

Chaos Mage - The manipulation of probability, random chance and coincidence.

Charmer - variant of Enchanter (unless an enchanter is one that imbues mundane items with magical powers)

Chronomancer - Manipulation of time and the perception of time. Hibernation, phase-magic and blinking.

Clairvoyant - Some one that can see distant places (aka remote viewing)

Cleric (Theurge) - A class that uses nature based or ceremonial magic to the benefit of a community.

Conjurer - The magic of conjuring things from thin air.

Cosmic Mage: a specialist in Far Realm magic; spells tend to be weirdly horrific, and such mages are often insane.

Creationist - A mage whose magic creates faux life, including Golems, Simulacrums and automatons.

Cryptomancer - divination with words, secret signs, wards, runes

D

Druid - A class that uses nature based or ceremonial magic to the benefit of a community.

Drune - A dark druid that abuses the natural energies of the earth to generate power, eventually turning those lands into sourlands, where the dead walk

Demonologist - A caster with infernal powers. Also known as Diabolist.

Diabolist - uses demons and foul pacts

Diviner - Finding lost knowledge, hidden facts and the truth of things.

Dowser - Finding lost items, locating water sources and maybe other minerals etc.

Dragon sorcery - gaining powers by melding or bonding with mystical beasts

E

Elementalist - A generalist who practises magic of the four elements.

Empath - A spellcaster who can broadcast or receive emotions.

Enchanter - magic primarily affects the mind, illusions

Elf - A long-lived being able to learn scholarly magic and martial fighting simultaneously.

Evoker - A mage who channels magical force, usually in the form of destructive magic.

F

Fae Enchanter - Fairie magic including time magic, sleep, misdirection, hiding and minor curses.

Fleshsmith - The melding and grafting of animal, vegetable or mineral material onto living beings.

Fortune-teller - someone that predicts the future of people (see also palmist, astrology, cartomancer)

Fulcrum - An exemplar of a Race or Species who is capable of multiplying traits or expelling that power as force in the form of attacking spells. Examples include Ur-Viles (from Chronicles of Thomas Covenent) and practioners of the Wa'agh! from WFRP.

G

Ghost Eater - Someone who consumes spirits to access their abilities and knowledge.

Geomancer - Magic to do with the element of Earth. Crystal Magic and ancient Druidic magic may be involved.

Gravelingas, or Rhadhamaerl - a worker and shaper of stone, like clay in their hands, they can in extremis cause immense devastation to stone buildings

Gypsy: specialist in a variety of minor folk magic, especially curses and love potions

H

Harnesser - A mage who harnesses the elements to power his magic. Unlike the Weather Mage, he cannot summon or alter the weather, but uses existing conditions to cast his magic.

Healer - A mage who can magically heal wounds. He might have to transfer those wounds to himself.

Hedge Wizard - A caster of limited power whose magic focuses on local lore, rural powers, some healing and little tricks & cantrips.

Hexblade - warrior-wizards with the ability to curse their foes.

Hirebrand, or a Lillianrill - a worker of wood and master of wood lore, living or dead

Hydromancer - magic to do with the element of Water.

I

Ice mage - Magic of the north. Snow, ice and cold.

Illusionist - A class that uses magic to confound senses, typically for entertainment or criminal activity.

Immortal magic - as used by the gods

K

Kai Lords - practise a form of martial meditation which as they progress releases more and more forms of power to them, like speak to animal -> control animal

Knotweaver - those who bind power inside lengths of knotted rope, and release it by cutting them. Each knot is a different form of spell, most notably used to capture storms that threaten fleets in the north

L

Ley Line Walker

M

Magesmith - uses the smith's forge to imbue magical items with powers

Mage (Hermetic) - A class that applies academic scientific principles to magic.

Mage (Earthsea) - has the knowledge of true names, the true nature of things, and by changing those names can change their nature or command them, also do illusions

Magician - one who can't cast spells but pretends they can with sleight of hand

Magical Engineer - Caster whose magic is created by architectural shapes and mathematics. Can create magical buildings.

Magus - Primal magic from antiquity.

Maledict - Malevolent magic of the night, fetishes, doll-magic and fell curses.

Medium - Someoen that can connect to the spiritworld and commune with the dead

Menagerist - A mage whose magic focuses on commanding beasts, learning their secrets and even exhibiting some of their attributes.

Mentalist - Magic of the mind. Telepathy, sequestering, ESP, heightened senses and remote control.

Mesmerist - Hypnotism and control/command and implantation of suggestions via magic.

Metamagician - a magic user capable of altering the existing laws governing the other forms of magic.

Montebank - A larcenistic mage who uses magical subterfuge, misdirection and disguising magics for a life of crime (among other things).

Mystic - Delver into secrets.

N

Necroscope - Speaker to the dead, can learn many secrets and even gain temporary skills if one allows oneself to be possessed

Nightblade - A class that uses magic for assassination.

Necromancer - Classically, a person capable of raising the spirits of the dead for divination. Currently, a class capable of creating undead servants, and sometimes manipulating "negative energy" for direct attacks and other effects.

Null-mage: character with an innate immunity to magic, anti-magic defenses, Protection from scrying, counterspells.*

O

Occultist - someone who has studied the occult and has developed powers as a result perhaps

Oneiromancers - readers of dreams and walkers in the dreamlands

Oracle - An ancient form of Seer, also called a Soothsayer.

P

Palmist/Palmreader: a diviner that focuses on getting the knowledge of past/present/future and advising of a present individual.

Perambulist - The magic of travel and locomotion.

Petitioner - A mage that petitions higher powers for aid, boons and power.

Psychic - A mage who can read minds, pick up emotions and detect spirits and the incorporeal.

Physical Adept: specialist in body-enhancing spells.

Plague Mage - A mage that can inflict or heal mundane or magical diseases.

Planar Mage - A mage whose spells grant survival aids in hostile planes and planar travel.

Prestidigitators - those specialing in sleight of hand and small scale magics

Pyromancer - Magic to do with the element of Fire.

R

Radiomancer - wizard capable of enhancing their spells using radioactive underdark materials.

Ranger - A mage whose magic helps wilderness survival, locating shelter and water sources and tracking lore.

Runecaster - glyphs and runes written on tokens and bones, sometimes prophecies

Rune-mage - The magic of the written form, glyphs, signs, sigils and magical scripts. May inscribe materials (possibly creating magical items).

Ritualist - Magic powered by a group of people. Can be far reaching, but restrictive in having to be part of the group.

S

Sage - Magics of information gathering, arcane knowledge and ancient learnings.

Scryer - A mage who specialises in remote viewing via various medium.

Seer - The magic of seeing into the future. This can be done in many ways, from scrying crystals to the study of tea-leaves, animal intestines, the patterns of flame in a fire or prophetic dreams.

Sensate - Magic of the senses, both augmentation and debilitating. Perfection and control of the body.

Shadow-mage - The magic of shadow, the dark and fear.

Sha'ir - spellcaster who uses genies to retrieve spells

Shamen - Ancestor worshiping spellcaster. Can call on the strength and knowledge of his ancestors. May have some of the Animist's powers.

Shifter - magician specializing in changing their shape.

Skald - A type of Bard whose magic involves taunts, satire and humour.

Sleuth - A mage who specialises in finding lost items and people. Tracking, incarceration and capture round out his skills.

Soothsayer - someone that predicts the future. Another word for Oracle.

Sorcerer - Magic of fell repute, normally destructive in nature.

Source priests - priest able to fly out of their bodies to visit the past and future primarily, but with many other abilities

Sourcerer - a living source of magical energy

Spellsinger - produces magic through intonation, song and verse

Spirit priests - the opposite of source priests, evil warriors who dominate, injure, paralyse and control with their mental powers, often use a special herb to exit their bodies

Spiritualist - Conversing with spirits, sensing spirits and travelling the spirit world. Can be connected with Shamen magic.

Summoner - The magic of summoning beasts and creatures.

T

Tantric magic - boom chicka wa wa

Tattooists - permanently mark peoples' skins with tattoos which provide great strength, protection, or other benefit

Teratologist - The science of mutation and mutating magic. Can be used to breed creatures or change existing ones.

Thaumaturge - Someone that performs miracles.

Theocratist - A mage whose magic is focussed on his faith, bending people to his faith and crusading.

The Thirty - a martial form of source priests, who are otherwise sworn to pacifism

Transmuter - The magic of changing the properties of a person or object.

V

Verminator - A mage with magics that affect the lowly insects and creepy-crawlies of the world. Can sometimes gain mounts or see through those compound eyes.

Vitomancer - draws power for magic from blood or life

Void Disciple - magic relating to nothingness or void (the 'fifth element')

Voodoo priests - priests in contact with the spirits who use a combination of alchemy and spiritualism to invoke rituals of power, associated with zombie creation

W

Warblade - A mage whose spells deal with melee combat, ancestral blades and improved resilience.

Warchanter - A form of Bard whose chants affect morale, instill rage or fear/fearlessness.

Warlock - a male witch or diaboloist.

Weathermage - A mage whose magic effects the weather and meteriological events.

Weaveworker - Magic woven into carpets and tapestries, usually visually activated

Wild mage - the study of random magic

Wind singers - a version of spellsingers, use a variety of staves and wands whirled about their heads at the ends of ropes in complex patterns to create ululating tones and magical patterns which form into spells cast

Witch - A rural spell-caster reliant on folk-magic or hedge magic, charms and hexes. May be a practitioner of the Evil Eye.

Witch-Hunter - Can track magic users via auras, magic and has magical defences against magic as well as magic dampening powers.

Witch-Doctor - Tribal healing magic, minor curses, intimidation and nature based magic.

Wizard - A magic user who casts spells by studying formulaic texts and tomes.

Wordsmith - Power words, phrases of power and emotional manipulation.

 

[kordun]

пре 37 минута, Снежана рече

то кад се пеМзионишем и упишем теологију

moras  pustiti  bradu do tad, insce nisi ozbiljna

[Снежана]

пре 1 минут, kordun рече

moras  pustiti  bradu do tad, insce nisi ozbiljna

јел могу силиконе да ставим,  брада ми баш не стоји

[kordun]

пре 1 минут, Снежана рече

јел могу силиконе да ставим,  брада ми баш не стоји

kako ces se baviti telelogijom kad mislis samo na estetiku

[Снежана]

Управо сада, kordun рече

kako ces se baviti telelogijom kad mislis samo na estetiku

лепо, личност је дух, душа и тело, што би одвајала, у осталом бојим се да то не би била брада звања

[Јанко]

пре 3 часа, Bokisd рече

А родив Сита поживе Адам осам стотина година, рађајући синове и кћери; ( 1.Moj. 5, 4 )

Дакле, тек родивши Сита рађаше синове и кћери.

Кајин се пре тога оженио. Тако пише...

?

[Bokisd]

пре 47 минута, Јанко рече

пре 4 часа, Bokisd рече

А родив Сита поживе Адам осам стотина година, рађајући синове и кћери; ( 1.Moj. 5, 4 )

Дакле, тек родивши Сита рађаше синове и кћери.

Кајин се пре тога оженио. Тако пише...

?

Da, vec sam gledao upravo taj stih i video sam ovaj 'moguci' problem.

Nalazi se ( ovaj stih ) na pocetku 5. glave, nabraja se  Adamovo nasledstvo, pa, se pocinje odmah od Sita ( kao sina darovanog od Boga )  i nastavlja se rodoslov  sa drugim sinovima, ,...i, kao da se nekako uzgred i kaze,.... i dalje sve do svoje smrti radjajuci druge sinove i kceri,...koji nisu pobrojani u rodoslov Adamov.  Kao, da nije predhodno uopste imao sinove , ali, u predhodnoj 4.glavi se govori o Kainu koji je od Boga  i Avelju kao rodjenom kao brat ( Kainov ).

Da li je ocekivano da su postojali i drugi sinovi i kceri koji nisu bili darovani od Boga, ( kao Avelj ) ali, koji nisu bili pomenuti ( pre rodjenja Sita ). Jer, i sam Avelj  nije bio darovan od Boga nego se pominje da je rodjen kao brat Kainov ?

Pominje se Sit kao prvi i jedini sin, darovan od Boga,  zbog toga , kako se kaze,...И Ситу се роди син, коме надеде име Енос. Тада се поче призивати име Господње....

Kain je bio zacet od Boga i trebalo je da sa njim pocne prizivanje imena Gospodnjeg, ali, znamo sta se desilo i Bog je opet podao Adamu drugog sina ( umesto Avelja ) Sita sa kojim ce' poceti istinsko bogopostovanje.

Recimo, nasao sam ( na netu ) da postoje jos neke pojedinosti u pismu na kojima mozemo zakljuciti da su bili i drugi sinovi i kceri Adamovi ( pre rodjenja Sita ), ....Eva je “majka svima živima”,.... otkad se Kain rodio pa dok nije prineo žrtvu koju je Bog odbio, prošlo je neko vreme..... nakon što je postao “lutalica i begunac”, Kain je strahovao da će ga ubiti “ko ga god nađe”......Bog je postavio znak da zaštiti Kaina, što ukazuje na to da su ga njegova braća ili rođaci možda pokušali ubiti.....

Jednostavno, Adam i Eva su bili prvi ljudi ( na osnovu prvih glava u pismu ),...sve ostalo je nadogradja i trazenje odgovarajucih 'putokaza' u stihovima pisma koji govore u prilog tome.

[Снежана]

пре 19 минута, Bokisd рече

Da li je ocekivano da su postojali i drugi sinovi i kceri koji nisu bili darovani od Boga, ( kao Avelj ) ali, koji nisu bili pomenuti ( pre rodjenja Sita ). Jer, i sam Avelj  nije bio darovan od Boga nego se pominje da je rodjen kao brat Kainov ?

читам ово у већ две три твоје поруке, и просто не могу а да не искоментаришем...сва деца икада рођена су дар од Бога, можемо ми дасе шалимо и дасе не слажемо око начина тумачења, али овакве стари од неког ко себе сматра пре свега човком ерником, па тек онда и теолошки поткованом особом су недопустиве, и не гоорим ти оо са неке духоне исине, него као обична мајка двоје сасвим обичне деце.

[Ведран*]

пре 11 часа, Zoran Đurović рече

Дај ми референцу за ово, ја имам грчки...

Извињавам се, онај цитат је био из етичке беседе друге (не прве).

[Јанко]

пре 11 часа, Bokisd рече

Da li je ocekivano da su postojali i drugi sinovi i kceri koji nisu bili darovani od Boga, ( kao Avelj ) ali, koji nisu bili pomenuti ( pre rodjenja Sita ). Jer, i sam Avelj  nije bio darovan od Boga nego se pominje da je rodjen kao brat Kainov ?

Брате, задивљен сам твојим мисаоним токовима.

Уместо да из овога:

пре 11 часа, Bokisd рече

u predhodnoj 4.glavi se govori o Kainu koji je od Boga

и овога:

пре 11 часа, Bokisd рече

...se pominje da je rodjen kao brat Kainov 

закључиш да је и он од Бога - ти закључиш супротно, зато што је САМО брат Каинов, а није наглашено и "од Бога"?!?

Значи, ако је Војин од Јанка, а Андреј брат Војинов - Андреј није Јанков?!? 

Немој само сад неку гимнастику типа јесу браћа ал' не од истог оца... Зна се у Писму шта значи брат...