Председник Америке, Доналд Џ Трамп

[haveaniceday]

najbolja zabava mi je da citam "trampove lazi"
 

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[haveaniceday]

Znaci ako ja pretpostavljam da ce mera X uroditi rezultatom Y , ali ne slazu se "kredibilni analisti sa time" ja lazem?

Jao trampe, omlati djubrad.......

[Justin Waters]

пре 4 часа, haveaniceday рече

Inace kina je ta prva koja je pocela rat. Reci mi da li je fer da americke kompanije ulazu u kinu, da amerika nema nikakve carine prema kini, da kina zaradjuje iz te trgovine bilione dolara - a u isto vreme kina americi da lupi carine.

To sto je tramp uradio kini je odgovor. Ne vidim nikakva opravdanja za kinu i za njihovo ponasanje i u ovoj situaciji ovo je prvi ispravan "rat" koji amerika vodi od Regana.

Znas, ako hipoteticki uzmemo da amerika propadne, dobices kinesku hegemoniju koja ce biti mnogo mnogo gora nego americka.

Ništa Kina nije počela prva, a pogotovo ne nekakve tarfie.... Tarife uoošte nisu problem u vezi Kine, nego ne-tarifne barijere. Zapad je došao Kini, a ne Kina zapadu. Zapad je morao da dođe u Kinu inače bi osiromašili jer su dosegnuli toliki standard da ne bi mogli sa troškovima proizvodnje održavati opšti standard visokim. Zapad je trebao jedtinu radnu snagu, dakle zapad je trebao nešto, ne Kina. Druga stvar, došao si u Kinu i Kina ti je postavila uslove, tj postavila se protekcionistički..potpuno normalno isto onako kako se recimo SAD bila postavila kada je Britanija dominirala svjetskom ekonomijom. Prihvatio si protekcionističke mjere, jer su ti kompanije bile mnogo moćnije i Kinezi nisu bili kompetentni..te ti ti troškovi ne-tarifnih barijera nisu smetali...E, ali Kina nije sisala vesla. Pa tamo gdje je bilo Rimsko Carstvo, izmjenjalo se carstva i carstava kultura i relgija, ratova i šta sve ne...a isto vrijeme tamo gdje je bila Kina, ostala je...Kina. Šta su oni očekivali, da će se Kina otvoriti i dopustiti da ima zapad vazda bude kompetetniji, a da oni ostanu samo dobri robovi? Naprotiv, štitili su se i učili i postali kompetentni...zapad tek tad kada je postao ugrožen od strane Kineskih kompanija, krenuo je da cmizdri o nefer trgovini..pa dobro sele.. razmontiraj fabrike i vrati svoju proizvodnju u matičnu zemlju, pa plaćaj Iphone 5000 dolara umjesto 500, ali zašto oni to neće tako lako uraditi? Zato što bi bilo skupo i ekonomski neodrživo. Možda će se neki i preseliti u Vijetnam ili Filipine...ali mnogi će tamo prosto ostati jer im je tako najjeftinije, a taj protekcionzam sad ide najmanje na ruku Kini ukoliko razmišlja o razvoju odaljenih regija, jer su sa same Kineske firme sa obale konkurentnije onim frimama iz unutrašnjosti, pa će možda nešto i proimjenuti po tom principu..

Elem..trgovinski rat nije rat da se odbraniš od nefer trgovine s Kinom, nego iz zlobe jer te Kina prestiže. Neka udaraju carine, malo su zakasnili, carinama će samo zakinuti svoje sopstvene potrošače i povećati im cijenu proizvoda. 

I nije samo idiotski to što rade s Kinom...također i trgovinski rat s EU, i sankcije protiv Rusije na svim poljima..ali neka rade to je odlično jer svi ti potezi doprinose geopolitičkom rascjepu na atlantiku između njegove zapadne i istočne strane, a nama to može samo ići na korist. 

[haveaniceday]

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Šta su oni očekivali, da će se Kina otvoriti i dopustiti da ima zapad vazda bude kompetetniji, a da oni ostanu samo dobri robovi? . .... 

Jedini koji hoce od kineza da budu dobri robovi i da ne budu kompetentniji su kineske vlasti. One su te koje su zabranile sve i svasta kinezima, i koji drze odredjene delove kine u namernom planskom siromastvu.


To je opste kod svih diktatorskih rezima. Bilo da su kuba, venecuela ili kina. Vlastima tamo je u interesu da drze narod u siromastvu dok oni zive kao bilioneri. Naravno ono sto im je zajednicko jeste da svi krive Ameriku za svoje neuspehe. Slicno kao Srbi uostalom.

Nista nisu krivi ni Hugo Chavez, ni Maduro, ni Xi Djin Pin, ni fidel kastro sve su to divni ljudi - amerika je problem. DA nema amerike sve te zemlje bi prosperirale.
 

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Elem..trgovinski rat nije rat da se odbraniš od nefer trgovine s Kinom, nego iz zlobe jer te Kina prestiže. Neka udaraju carine, malo su zakasnili, carinama će samo zakinuti svoje sopstvene potrošače i povećati im cijenu proizvoda. 

Carine nikad ne valjaju, zato tramp i hoce da kina ukine carine koje je postavila prema usa. Ne znam sto to porices kada je to fakticki tacno. Da kina prihvati da ukine carine ukinuo bi ih i tramp i ceo trgovinski rat bi prestao.

 

[haveaniceday]

Koga zanima dwetaljnije trgovinski rat ovde su svi podaci o regulacijama i carinama koje su i jedni drugi postavili i ukidaju:

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/the-us-china-trade-war-a-timeline/

[haveaniceday]

China joins the World Trade Organization

Main article: China and the World Trade Organization

 

Bill Clinton and Chinese leader Jiang Zemin holding a joint press conference at the White House, October 29, 1997

 

George W. Bush and Chinese leader Hu Jintao at the White House, April 20, 2006

 

Barack Obama and Chinese leader Xi Jinping raising a toast during a state dinner at the White House, September 25, 2015

With the United States–China Relations Act of 2000, China was allowed to join WTO in 2001 and was given a most favoured nation (MFN) status.^[24][25] President Bill Clinton in 2000 pushed Congress to approve the U.S.-China trade agreement and China's accession to the WTO, saying that more trade with China would advance America's economic interests.

However, his administration had accused the Chinese of failing to comply with global trade rules and demanded that the Chinese first resolve a list of outstanding trade grievances with Washington, including opening its markets and protecting copyrights and patents. Among the key issues were that China was a major source of pirated musical compact disks and video laser disks, along with virtually all the computer software sold in China. On intellectual property rights, there was no enforcement of China's written laws, and as a result the piracy and theft of American-produced music, videos and software was costing American companies $1 billion a year by 1994 ($1.73 billion in 2019 dollars).^[26]

By 2000, Clinton said he was optimistic on achieving a fair agreement: "Economically, this agreement is the equivalent of a one-way street. It requires China to open its markets—with a fifth of the world’s population, potentially the biggest markets in the world—to both our products and services in unprecedented new ways," said Clinton. In a speech that year, he stated his hopes:

For the first time, our companies will be able to sell and distribute products in China made by workers here in America without being forced to relocate manufacturing to China, sell through the Chinese government, or transfer valuable technology—for the first time. We’ll be able to export products without exporting jobs.^[27]

Obama era

As a new member, China agreed to rapidly lower import tariffs and open its markets, although many trade officials doubted it would stand by those promises.^[28] China did cut tariffs after it joined the WTO, but it nonetheless continued to steal U.S. intellectual property (IP) and forced American companies to transfer technology to access the Chinese market, which were violations of WTO rules.^[28]

In 2008, the WTO issued a formal ruling against China for requiring foreign automakers operating there to buy most components from local suppliers or face higher tariffs, 25 percent, instead of the normal 10 percent. The WTO agreed that it amounted to an unfair discrimination against foreign parts, a violation of global trade rules.^[29] The original complaint was filed in 2006 by the European Union, the United States and Canada, by which time there had already been accusations against China for using a combination of subsidies, tax incentives and an undervalued currency to gain an unfair advantage over foreign companies operating in China.^[29]

China lowered its average import tariffs to 10% by 2005 from the 40% it maintained in the 1990s.^[28] In 2005 Chinese exports to the U.S. increased 31 percent, but imports from the U.S. rose only 16 percent. And while the U.S. trade deficit with China was $90.2 billion in 2001 ($130 billion in 2019 dollars), it nearly doubled by 2005.^[28] In the four years after joining the WTO, China in general complied with many of its legal obligations, including passing laws and meeting deadlines. However, it was slow to enforce intellectual property rights and add transparency to its industrial rules and regulations, which made it difficult for U.S. businesses to access its market.^[28] By 2019 the estimated costs to the U.S. economy from Chinese IP theft was between $225 billion and $600 billion annually.^[30]

The Obama administration confronted other issues in 2010, when it opened an investigation into whether the Chinese government was subsidizing its alternative energy companies, such as solar and wind turbine, in violation of WTO guidelines that it agreed to. It was one of the first challenges of China's alleged efforts to control major growing industries.^[31] As explained by Obama's Trade Representative, Ron Kirk, "Green technology will be an engine for the jobs of the future, and this administration is committed to ensuring a level playing field for American workers."^[31]

United Steelworkers President Leo Gerard said that those subsidies were in "direct violation" of WTO rules.^[32] Along with disallowed subsidies, Gerard pointed out that U.S. firms establishing joint ventures with Chinese companies must surrender technologies and designs as a condition of doing business:

As they steal the technology and force the companies to China, they are locking down research and development. If we are not going to do solar panels and fluorescent bulbs and wind turbines here, the next generation of R and D will not be here.^[32]

When President Obama met with Chinese paramount leader Hu Jintao in 2011, officials were concerned that China was not acting in the free trade spirit it agreed to when it joined the WTO 10 years earlier. They proclaimed that China was still restricting foreign investment, avoiding national treatment of foreign firms, failing to protect intellectual property rights, and distorting trade with its government subsidies.^[33] There were also complaints by various lawmakers who wanted the administration to act against what they said was China's manipulating its currency, worried that it would allow China to underprice its exports and put American and other nations' manufacturing at a great disadvantage.^[34] The U.S.-China Business Council in 2014 said that China was restricting investment in more than 100 industrial sectors, including agriculture, petrochemicals and health services, while the U.S. was restricting investment outright in just five sectors.^[35]

A number of senators and congressmen wanted the White House to place tariffs on some of the underpriced Chinese imports, stating that if the administration wouldn't do so, they threatened to mandate some tariffs on their own.^[34] In a general poll sponsored by Allstate Insurance and the National Journal in 2010, thirty-six percent of the American population would support tariffs on imports and would penalize companies that moved jobs overseas.^[34]

By 2018, U.S. manufacturing jobs had decreased by almost 5 million since 2000, with the decline accelerating.^[36][37][38]

[haveaniceday]

I onda mi pricaju "nije kina nista kina nevina" krse pravila i dogovore od kada su se pridruzili WTO..... krsili su pod klintonom, krsili su pod obamom, samo sto ta dvojica nisu imali herca da urade nesto..... al zato tramponja ima

[Branka62]

 

[haveaniceday]

47 minutes ago, Branka62 said:

 

Sta je ovde problem?

i sto uopste gledas smecarske kanale kao sto je right wing watch, ono, right wing watch su tvrde komunjare, bias im je u imenu .....

[Branka62]

14 hours ago, haveaniceday said:

Sta je ovde problem?

Ma kakav problem. Zar ne vidiš zeke kako skakuću? Oduševljeni su što se svetom širi krug žena koje su, kako reče ova naša mlada nada, ponesene patriotizmomi

 

 

 

[haveaniceday]

2 hours ago, Branka62 said:

Ma kakav problem. Zar ne vidiš zeke kako skakuću? Oduševljeni su što se svetom širi krug žena koje su, kako reče ova naša mlada nada, ponesene patriotizmomi

 

Normalnije su od zena ponesenih komunizmom ili feminizmom svakako.

[Branka62]

14 minutes ago, haveaniceday said:

Normalnije su od zena ponesenih komunizmom ili feminizmom svakako.

To što je X normalnije od Y, ne znači  automatski da je X normalno (šta god pod normalno podrazumevali). 

A meni ovo čak i nije nenormalno već pomalo perverzno (mislim na onaj deo sa privijenim rukama na grudima, dok Trampa naziva tatom) i doista smešno.

[haveaniceday]

50 minutes ago, Branka62 said:

To što je X normalnije od Y, ne znači  automatski da je X normalno (šta god pod normalno podrazumevali). 

A meni ovo čak i nije nenormalno već pomalo perverzno (mislim na onaj deo sa privijenim rukama na grudima, dok Trampa naziva tatom) i doista smešno.

Okej je branka, razumeo sam da su u tvojo glavi Tramp i Vucic slicni.. iako veze nemaju kako god okrenes. Al kazi lepo tako iskreno, nemoj da kacis neke trampove fanove i vuciceve fanove i da im trazis slicnosti..... mislim podmuklo je.

[Branka62]

1 hour ago, haveaniceday said:

Okej je branka, razumeo sam da su u tvojo glavi Tramp i Vucic slicni.. iako veze nemaju kako god okrenes. Al kazi lepo tako iskreno, nemoj da kacis neke trampove fanove i vuciceve fanove i da im trazis slicnosti..... mislim podmuklo je.

Ako tebe čini srećnim kada drugima lepiš etikete i pripisuješ namere koje ne da nisu imali, već se iz napisanog samo super akrobacijom na trapezu mogu tumačiti tako kako ih ti tumačiš, nemam ništa protiv – samo napred. I ja ću biti zadovoljna što sam, eto, nekoga učinila makar mrvicu srećnijim.

Da li ti možeš shvatiti da je nekome smešno, glupo, ponižavajuće... kada se na sličan način (kao ova Amerikanka ili kao ova naša diva) priča o bilo kojoj javnoj ličnosti. Ono, Druže Tito ljubičice bela, tebe voli omladina cela. I sad ćeš ti opet da reaguješ:   uporedjuješ Trampa sa komunjarom??!!!!  Ne, ne uporedjujem Trampa sa Titom. Uporedjujem jednu lujku sa drugom. To što jedna od njih pristojnije izgleda (makar nije nafrakana i utegnuta) i tečnije priča, ne menja suštinu - obe su pripadnice kulta ličnosti, i to kulta ličnosti političara. Zato je, bar meni, to i smešno i ponižavajuće.

[Avocado]

1 minute ago, Branka62 said:

Ako tebe čini srećnim kada drugima lepiš etikete i pripisuješ namere koje ne da nisu imali, već se iz napisanog samo super akrobacijom na trapezu mogu tumačiti tako kako ih ti tumačiš, nemam ništa protiv – samo napred. I ja ću biti zadovoljna što sam, eto, nekoga učinila makar mrvicu srećnijim.

Da li ti možeš shvatiti da je nekome smešno, glupo, ponižavajuće... kada se na sličan način (kao ova Amerikanka ili kao ova naša diva) priča o bilo kojoj javnoj ličnosti. Ono, Druže Tito ljubičice bela, tebe voli omladina cela. I sad ćeš ti opet da reaguješ:   uporedjuješ Trampa sa komunjarom??!!!!  Ne, ne uporedjujem Trampa sa Titom. Uporedjujem jednu lujku sa drugom. To što jedna od njih pristojnije izgleda (makar nije nafrakana i utegnuta) i tečnije priča, ne menja suštinu - obe su pripadnice kulta ličnosti, i to kulta ličnosti političara. Zato je, bar meni, to i smešno i ponižavajuće.

Komunjaro progresivna! Ljubitelju kulta Obame! Tvoritelju fejk vesti!