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[Milan Nikolic]

Сабор Кипарске Цркве разматрао стање Цркве у Украјини

8. Фебруар 2019

На свом заседању 7. фебруара 2019. највише управно тело Кипарске Архиепископије, Свети Архијерејски Сабор је, између осталих питања, разматрао новонастало црквено стање у Украјини.

Под председавањем Његовог Блаженства архиепископа Хризостома разматрано је ово значајно питање и одлучено да се о њему дискутује и на следећем ванредном заседању 18. фебруара 2019. године.

 

Извор: Basilica.ro (са енглеског Инфо служба СПЦ)

http://www.spc.rs/sr/sabor_kiparske_crkve_razmatrao_stanje_crkve_u_ukrajini

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On 7.2.2019. at 12:40, Ведран* рече

И управи водовода и канализације пошаљи жалбу. Кажи им да смо преузели њихову улогу јер перемо и каналишемо смрад који овде просипаш. 

Једини који овде мрзитељски наступа према другоме човеку си ти друшкане. Ако неко овде мрзи зло, неправду, цркворушитељство, и то некоме смета, такав се сам показује као зао, неправедан, и цркворушитељ.

А такве сам Бог разара. 

А ти се показујеш подобно своме оцу лажи који те овде послао, као враг и клеветник.

Стварно мислиш да Манојло вас мрзи? Па накуцали сте човеку -137 лајкова да не кажем хејтова и причаш како он мрзи вас. 

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[MKD13]

POCELO JE!

Episkop nove Ukrainske Crkve sluzio na Svetu Goru!

https://www.romfea.gr/agioritika-nea/26959-episkopos-tis-neas-oukranikis-ekklisias-leitourgise-stin-im-pantokratoros

 

[o. Miroljub]

1 hour ago, Milan Nikolic рече

Сабор Кипарске Цркве разматрао стање Цркве у Украјини

8. Фебруар 2019

На свом заседању 7. фебруара 2019. највише управно тело Кипарске Архиепископије, Свети Архијерејски Сабор је, између осталих питања, разматрао новонастало црквено стање у Украјини.

Под председавањем Његовог Блаженства архиепископа Хризостома разматрано је ово значајно питање и одлучено да се о њему дискутује и на следећем ванредном заседању 18. фебруара 2019. године.

 

Извор: Basilica.ro (са енглеског Инфо служба СПЦ)

http://www.spc.rs/sr/sabor_kiparske_crkve_razmatrao_stanje_crkve_u_ukrajini

 

 

 

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пре 1 минут, farisejski.bukvojed рече

'Ајде нађи другу тему за расправу о светском болу и неправди, плиз. Али баш плиз.

Неки чудни хришћани:лако им рука полети на хејт.

Важи нећу више

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пре 30 минута, Задње Време рече

Неки чудни хришћани:лако им рука полети на хејт.

Важи нећу више

Није у питању ништа лично барем са моје стране а надам се и од стране већине других је упућен на нечији став а не на саму личност.

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пре 13 минута, Просечан србенда рече

Није у питању ништа лично барем са моје стране а надам се и од стране већине других је упућен на нечији став а не на саму личност.

Ако хођеш да повредиш човека само удри по његовим ставовима.

Ако је човек зрела личност ни тако га нећеш моћи повредити

Овај фарисеј сад почео и мени да лупа хејтове.

Занимљив неки лик

Изгледа да ћу и ја у минус ускоро

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Ако хођеш да повредиш човека само удри по његовим ставовима.

А ти брате можеш некога да повредиш и ако хвалиш или ћутиш на његове лоше ставове.

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пре 3 минута, Просечан србенда рече

А ти брате можеш некога да повредиш и ако хвалиш или ћутиш на његове лоше ставове.

То и јесте чудно код једног хришћанина Та потреба да суди дали је нешто добро или лоше, 

А ми нисмо позвани да будемо судије, већ да будемо милостиви, да праштамо, да трпимо једни друге

[Milan Nikolic]

Немојте да вас терају људи као неке кокошке. Молим вас нађите неку другу тему.

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NATIONALISTS SEIZE CHURCHES BY BEATING UP PRIESTS, THREATENING KIDNAPPINGS—EPIPHANY DUMENKO BLAMES MOSCOW

Conflicts around the jurisdiction and seizing of churches are organized by parishioners of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church who “bribe and intimidate people,” says the head of the Ukrainian schismatic church, “Metropolitan” Epiphany Dumenko.

Commenting on the transitioning of churches from the canonical Church to his unrecognized jurisdiction in an interview with Radio Liberty, Dumenko fell back on the anti-Russian fervor that fuel his church, saying that the seizure of churches is a provocation of Russia, which wants to ignite a religious war in Ukraine.

According to him, the creation of the so-called “Orthodox Church of Ukraine” has not led to any confrontations as parishes have been transferring peacefully and calmly. And if conflict arises somewhere, its representatives of the UOC who are to blame.

There is news of church seizures and attempted seizures nearly every day throughout Ukraine, often accompanied by violence. Schismatic-nationalists beat a priest in the Ternopil Region on Sunday. Churches have also been vandalized and robbed.

Nationalists have even threatened to kidnap Fr. Vitaly Kremen’s son if he opposes the transition of his parish of St. George in the village of Yasin in the Transcarpathian Province. According to the schismatic metropolitan, the faithful of the canonical Church are beating up their own priests and threatening to kidnap the children of their own priests.

“The Moscow Patriarchate is provoking it. They create groups of people who go, who convince, who bribe, who scare people,” Dumenko said.

Epiphany also said that the canonical Ukrainian Church is Putin’s last outpost in Ukraine. Once Ukrainians move into his jurisdiction, Putin will support and the war in Donbass will end and Crimea will return to Ukraine, the schismatic primate believes.

http://orthochristian.com/119204.html?fbclid=IwAR0r-cI7YaH_14ONxhBruGn2Wr5C6m_zz8ZFZe93Ar7dDy8nq-2ugbiXcv8

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CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS FIRST SYNOD MEETING OF UKRAINIAN NATIONALIST CHURCH

The first meeting of the “Holy Synod” of the Ukrainian schismatic-nationalist church on Tuesday did not pass without serious conflicts and discrepancies, thanks, in part, to the personality of Philaret Denisenko.

According to the Ukrainian site Glavcom, several bishops of the so-called “Orthodox Church of Ukraine,” including some who took part in the session, were dissatisfied with who attended and its organization. Some influential bishops have not ruled out the possibility that the Ecumenical Patriarchate could reject the Synod’s decisions.

It is noted that the bishops invited to the meeting at St. Sophia’s Cathedral did not even know for sure beforehand that it was to be a meeting of the Holy Synod.

“Everyone was just invited for a meeting,” a source close to “Metropolitan” Epiphany Dumenko said.

“The first meeting of the Synod of the new church… we don’t know the agenda… Nobody spoke to me about positions. We don’t even know who will be members of the Synod today,” said Simeon Shostatsky, the former canonical Metropolitan of Vinnitsa who defected to the schismatic church, before the session.

The list of members participating in the session raised questions among many participants. “Archbishop” Evstraty Zorya, formerly the speaker for the schismatic “Kiev Patriarchate” (KP), attempted to explain the situation, though he only made it clear that there are discrepancies in the founding documents, with different hierarchs interpreting them differently.

According to Zorya, Epiphany consulted with Pat. Bartholomew to ensure that there was no violation of the church’s statutes, written by the Holy Synod of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, or the tomos, which dictate the makeup of the schismatic church’s Synod. “This composition of the Synod corresponds to the order in the Patriarchate of Constantinople and which is introduced by the statutes of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine,” Zorya said.

However, not everyone agreed with this conclusion, including “Metropolitan” Michael Zinkevich, who was the favorite to win the primacy of the schismatic church before Philaret Denisenko insisted that he step aside in favor of his protégé Epiphany Dumenko.

“According to the statutes and tomos, I should be a member of the Holy Synod. But I wasn’t invited to the meeting, and I wasn’t there. I have no idea what kind of meeting it was that they held on February 5,” Zinkevich said, stressing that the gathering could be called an episcopal gathering, but not a Synod.

The church has to live by its tomos, he said, “Everything else is not canonical, incorrect; it has no legal capacity.”

Archimandrite Cyril Hovorun, a member of the canonical Ukrainian Church but vocal supporter of the schismatic church, also noted that Epiphany Dumenko is not meant to appoint Synod members as primate, but to pinpoint who has seniority of consecration and invite them to the Synod, in accordance with the church’s guiding documents.

The discrepancies about the makeup of the Synod were not the only reason for conflict at the Synod.

“There is one person who will not give up and who leads as he likes,” complained the former primate of the schismatic “Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church” (UAOC) Makary Maletich, who suggested that the Synod’s decisions could be appealed.

OrthoChristian previously reported that Denisenko was appointed to rule the Kiev Diocese, despite that the primate bears the title of “Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine.”

Makary Maletich had also expressed serious concerns that the “unification council” would not take place because of Philaret’s stubborn insistence that everything be done his way. Constantinople had to take over the process of arranging the “council” because the KP and UAOC could not work together. Last month, Makary refused to accept the title of “Honorary Citizen of Lvov” together with Philaret.

“I spoke my opinion, as a former primate, that this shouldn’t happen anymore, because no one consulted with anyone [regarding the appointment of the members of the Synod—O.C.]. There are many consequences here. There are bishops, let them appeal, if they wish, to the Ecumenical Patriarch. It’s their right.”

Further, there are bishops of the schismatic church that consider this first session not a Synod meeting but only a “rehearsal,” according to “Bishop” Adrian Kulik, as the Union of Orthodox Journalists reports.

In his view, and that of other bishops, the new “Synod” was in reality merely an extended KP Synod. “I can only share the opinion of hierarchs of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU). Despite the fact that Philaret and his Synod (of the former KP) decided to brazenly enter the newly-created OCU, in essence it was a Synod of Philaret, with three votes added, taken together from the other Churches… I want to say that the hierarchs of the OCU do not consider the Synod of February 5 to be authoritative, but only a rehearsal.”

Adrian Kulik himself is a highly problematic figure, having been a priest in the UAOC, then joining the OCA in America, then the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church of North and South America and the Diaspora, then returning to the UAOC, before finally being admitted into the KP in 2013.

http://orthochristian.com/119226.html

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Стварно мислиш да Манојло вас мрзи? Па накуцали сте човеку -137 лајкова да не кажем хејтова и причаш како он мрзи вас. 

Можда сам сисо весла ал чамац прогуто нисам

Врло могуће да си сисо весла. 

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Неки чудни хришћани:лако им рука полети на хејт.

Важи нећу више

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