Тема о КОРОНАВИРУСУ... све на једном месту

[obi-wan]

``Čitam, Finska ima 240 zaraženih (šest puta više od Srbije). Nema panike. Zabranjena su okupljanja preko 500 ljudi do maja. Zatvorene su neke škole i fakulteti. U starijim razredima je omogućeno učenje na daljinu. Kažu da političari moraju odluke donositi u skladu sa opštim interesom, a potpuno zatvaranje svih vrtića i škola to nije. Sve ostalo su preporuke kako rizik svesti na minimum. Putovanja ne zabranjuju (sem u Italiju i pojedine gradove u Hrvatskoj, Švedskoj i Nemačkoj), preporučuju oprez i da se ograniče na posao. Pranje ruku ne pominju. Kažu da oko trećine stanovništva može doći u kontakt sa virusom, ali da se sada ne treba baviti time, nego pratiti situaciju. Ono malo civilizovanog sveta na planeti i hladna glava - vest od 15.03.2020, 11:35h.

"The schools are not closing. Pupils still have the right and opportunity to receive direct education. The teachers will be coming to school," says the city's education director, Kristiina Järvelä.
Järvelä says that offering distance learning to those in upper grades is intended to protect the school attendance of those under age 12 and to slow the spread of the Covid-19 disease, especially among caregiving staff."``

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[АлександраВ]

I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire

William Hanage

Vulnerable people should not be exposed to Covid-19 right now in the service of a hypothetical future

Your house is on fire, and the people whom you have trusted with your care are not trying to put it out. Even though they knew it was coming, and could see what happened to the neighbours as they were overwhelmed with terrifying speed, the UK government has inexplicably chosen to encourage the flames, in the misguided notion that somehow they will be able to control them.

When I first heard about this, I could not believe it. I research and teach the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard’s Chan School of Public Health. My colleagues here in the US, even as they are reeling from the stumbling response of the Donald Trump administration to the crisis, assumed that reports of the UK policy were satire – an example of the wry humour for which the country is famed. But they are all too real.

Let me take the arguments on their merits. The stated aim has been to achieve “herd immunity” in order to manage the outbreak and prevent a catastrophic “second wave” next winter – even if Matt Hancock has tried to put that particular genie back in the bottle this weekend. A large proportion of the population is at lower risk of developing severe disease: roughly speaking anyone up to the age of 40. So the reasoning goes that even though in a perfect world we’d not want anyone to take the risk of infection, generating immunity in younger people is a way of protecting the population as a whole.

We talk about vaccines generating herd immunity, so why is this different? Because this is not a vaccine. This is an actual pandemic that will make a very large number of people sick, and some of them will die. Even though the mortality rate is likely quite low, a small fraction of a very large number is still a large number. And the mortality rate will climb when the NHS is overwhelmed. This would be expected to happen, even if we make the generous assumption that the government were entirely successful in restricting the virus to the low-risk population, at the peak of the outbreak the numbers requiring critical care would be greater than the number of beds available. This is made worse by the fact that people who are badly ill tend to remain so for a long time, which increases the burden.

And of course you can’t restrict it to this age group. Think of all the people aged between 20 and 40 who work in healthcare, or old people’s homes. You don’t need many introductions into settings like these for what we might coyly call “severe outcomes”. In Washington State, nearly all the deaths reported so far have been associated with nursing homes. Is everyone in a high-risk group supposed to withdraw themselves from society for six months until they can emerge once the (so far entirely imaginary) second wave has been averted?

About that second wave: let me be clear. Second waves are real things, and we have seen them in flu pandemics. This is not a flu pandemic. Flu rules do not apply. There might well be a second wave, I honestly don’t know. But vulnerable people should not be exposed to a virus right now in the service of a hypothetical future.

Keeping people safe means self-isolation if you develop symptoms, but the official advice here is also misleading. While it is of paramount importance that sick people stay at home to avoid infecting others, it is increasingly clear that transmission can occur before symptoms develop. We know this is true from modelling and observational studies. I have seen it happen myself. We do not know how often it occurs or how important it is in the epidemiology, but it definitely does happen.

However, arguments about the case fatality rate, the transmission parameters and presymptomatic transmission all miss the point. This virus is capable of shutting down countries. You should not want to be the next after Wuhan, Iran, Italy or Spain. In those places, the healthcare systems have broken down. In Italy, the choices of whom to save and whom to allow to die are real. You should instead look to the example of South Korea, which, through a combination of intense surveillance and social distancing, appears to have gained some semblance of control over the virus. We can learn from South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan, all of which have so far done a good job mitigating the worst outcomes despite having reported cases early in the pandemic, and in the case of South Korea, suffering a substantial outbreak.

The UK should not be trying to create herd immunity, that will take care of itself. Policy should be directed at slowing the outbreak to a (more) manageable rate. What this looks like is strong social distancing. Anyone who can work from home, should. People who do not yet work from home should be encouraged to do so. Employers should guarantee sick pay, including for contacts of known cases, and do everything they can to discourage the practice of “presenteeism”. You should not shake hands. Not with anyone. You should wash your hands for 20 seconds several times a day and whenever you enter your home (or someone else’s home). Call a halt to large gatherings. Educate people about masks and how they should be reserved for the medical professionals who need them. All this and more should have started weeks ago.

Deciding whether to close schools is hard; they do so much more than just education. But this is a pandemic, and so you should expect they will be shut sooner or later. In Hong Kong, they have been shut for weeks. If you hear any talking head on TV explain that kids don’t get sick, remember that doesn’t mean kids cannot be infected and transmit. It’s probably a good idea to hold off on visits to Nana and Grandpa.

The most fundamental function of a government is to keep its people safe. It is from this that it derives its authority, the confidence of the people and its legitimacy. Nobody should be under the illusion that this is something that can be dodged through somehow manipulating a virus that we are only beginning to understand. This will not pass you by; this is not a tornado, it is a hurricane.

Don’t panic, but do prepare. If your government won’t help you, do it yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19

[Juanito]

пре 11 минута, obi-wan рече

``Sa zvaničnog Twitter naloga Medicinskog Univerziteta u Beču:

"Pažnja! Poruke koje trenutno cirkulišu WhatsApp i sličnim grupama o našem navodnom istraživanju o konekciji Ibuprofena (Brufena) i Covid virusa su lažne vijesti koje nemaju nikakve veze sa Medicinskim Univerzitetom u Beču."``

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А шта је са овим радом?

Lancet

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 Је л се ове лажне вести односе на нешто друго?

[АлександраВ]

#ostanikodkuce

[Zayron]

Moja sestra radi na plućnoj onkologiji u Minhenu, Klinika Neuperlach. A tamo odmah pored njihovog odjeljenja otvorili odjeljenje sa oboljelim od koronavirusa. Ja joj kažem, jesu li tamo ti doktori normalni, scvokli se ili šta, ja mislio drže ih izolovane negdje na Alpama gdje su samo krave i alpske koze po nekim sanatorijima u tim alpskim "pustinjama" gdje duše žive ne vidiš danima. To ne bi uradili ni debili. Hej, drže ih usred Minhena, od bolnice napravili žarište koronavirusa! Alooo!!!! A ona kaže, i njemački doktori se čude, tako im naredili političari odozgor! Užas! Kaže možda namjerno i hoće da svi izginemo, svi onkološki pacijenti i sestre auslenderke, s Balkana, naše, Turkinje, Grkinje itd. Tako riješili dva problema, uštede na zdravstvenom za liječenje neizlječivih bolesnika od raka pluća i riješe se auslendera. Ja joj kažem, to su vam mogli odmah ravno poslat svakoj sestri po dva, tri pacijenta od koronavirusa kući da ne morate zbog tog dolazit na posao da ga zaradite tamo! Što, kad možete i kod kuće, zar ne? I još mi reče, danas to bilo, kako su im rekli da oni koji se boje prenosa koronavirusa na svoje ukućane, rekli to sestrama i ostalom osoblju, sve sami auslenderi, da ni ne idu kući, nek spavaju u bolnici. Svašta, moja sestra ima sina i kćerku, mora im skuvat, neće ih ostaviti gladne tamo same u kući! Ta Merkelova se scvokla izgleda! Svako jutro im samo izmjere temperaturu svakom, sestrama i doktorima i to je sve! Cijela preventiva i zaštita u elitnoj bolnici u Minhenu. Marš na smjenu radit, bre!

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[Justin Waters]

Crni rekord srušen u Italiji...u 24 sata preminulo 368 ljudi 

[emilija]

Belgija zatvorena ali ne zakonski (slobode i prava) nego preporukama da se ostane kod kuce.

 

10 000 Belgijanaca je juce i prekjuce otislo u Holandiju i Luksemburg da bi JELI i PILI u restoranima. Tamo je tek danas stupilo na snagu zatvaranje restorana.

 

Na ovo nemam komentar.  Mislim, bolje da cutim.

 

Za to vreme doktori i dalje nemaju osnovna sredstva za zastitu, vecina ne ide kod pacijenata, nema maski ni protekcije pa se dovijaju kao ovaj koji prima u kabinetu a zastitu je napravio od pleksiglasa.

 

 

[emilija]

Znaci demokraticne  budale su iskoristile svoje pravo na slobodu da poubijaju posredno ko zna koliko zdravstveno krhkih.

Da bi zderali i pili u RESTORANU.

Pomislih da danasnji svet nije ni zasluzio nista bolje od ovakve poshasti. Neka mi oprosti narod i Gospod, ne verujem da su mladi u pitanju, njima se na lakomislenost malo odbije ali ko je otisao svesno i drsko.......sta da kazem??

 

Coronavirus - Des Belges se rendent aux Pays-Bas pour manger au restaurant: "C’est inimaginablement scandaleux"

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Un certain nombre de Belges se sont rendus hier/samedi dans des bars, des restaurants et des commerces ouverts dans les...

 

[Justin Waters]

[Милошевич]

У Италији 368 жртава за последња 24 часа. Мислим да је то највећи број од почетка пандемије за један дан. 

[Ромејац]

ИД поручила својим члановима да не путују у Европу због коронавируса

БРИСЕЛ – Такозвана Исламска држава поручила је својим члановима да избегавају Европу погођену коронавирусом и саветовала им да перу руке пре него да врше нападе на Западу, саопштило је данас америчко Министарство за унутрашњу безбедност.

У последњем издању листа ел.Наба, који издаје ИД, уредници који обично подстичу чланове те терористичке организације да предузимају нападе на Западу, затражила је од њих да се држе даље од подручја епидемије неко време, преноси бриселски портал Политико.

На целој страници листа дати су савети и како да се спречи ширење епидемије, па се тако члановима ИД саветује да верују у Бога и траже уточиште у њему од болести, али и да покривају уста приликом зевања и кијања и да често перу руке, јавља Танјуг.

Онима који сматрају да су можда заражени саветује се да се држе подаље од подручја које је под контролом ИД, како би сачували здравље „својих” и испунили „свету обавезу” да их заштите од болести.

До сада је пријављено неколико случајева коронавируса у афричким земљама, где је ова терористичка група активна, а актуелни сукоби у Сирији и Јемену чине немогућим да се одреди да ли се у тим земљама проширио вирус.

Ипак, бројни случајеви су потврђени у Авганистану, Алжиру, Египту, Индији, Индонезији, Ираку и Филипинима, где је ИД прогласио калифат.

 

Политика Online - ИД поручила својим члановима да не путују у Европу због коронавируса

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БРИСЕЛ – Такозвана Исламска држава поручила је својим члановима да избегавају Европу погођену коронавирусом и саветовала им да перу руке пре него да врше нападе на...

 

[obi-wan]

пре 53 минута, Juanito рече

А шта је са овим радом?

Lancet

WWW.THELANCET.COM

 Је л се ове лажне вести односе на нешто друго?

Pre svega, ono sam postavio da se vidi da su oni koji su navodna istrazivanja pripisali Austrijancima - lagali. Lazno pozivanje na jedan institut koji nema nikakve veze sa tim prilicno jasno pokazuje kakva je trenutna atmosfera sto se tice citave price oko virusa, a najblaze receno - paranoicna.

A drugo, kol`ko mi je poznato, u medicini nikad jedan rad nije konacna mera necega.

[Justin Waters]

[Milan Nikolic]

Први пут отварам ову тему. Пуно се причало али нисам ништа пратио.

Био сам у војсци, требало је да останем још пет дана, али су нас отпустили до даљњег због корона вируса.

[Ромејац]

Вучић: Нећемо отварати школе до краја године..