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[obi-wan]

A gle`te samo ovo - aj` sto su nepismeni, nego su zesci nego njuz... 

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[GeniusAtWork]

Мали делић атмосфере у 20:05 овде   

 

Иначе изгледа да је јучерашња бука била довољна да се дотични мало пробуди...па ће тако сутра бити одлучивано да ли ће се одустати од четвородневног полицијског часа за 1. мај

KURIR SAZNAJE! DA LI ĆE SE PREISPITATI ODLUKA O ZABRANI KRETANJA ZA 1. MAJ Mirnim glasom predsednik Vučić ovo je poručio

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BEOGRAD - Koordinacioni sastanak predsednika i Vlade Srbije u vezi sa situacijom oko epidemije koronavirusa održan je jutros, saznaje Kurir. Kako saznajemo, predstavnici Vlade na sastanku...

 

[Desiderius Erasmus]

Руски Патријарх: ”Црквени суд за оне који се не придржавају правила заштите од COVID-19” | Саборник

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Руски Патријарх напоменуо је свим намесницима и игуманијама ставропигијалних манастира, старешинама цркава и подворја градског дела Московске епархије ”да је...

 

[GeniusAtWork]

Пар људи из струке којима није баш најјасније шта се овде и зашто ради:

Što više popuštaju, jače stežu - nelogične mere države - NOVA portal

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Početkom nedelje u Srbiji je došlo do ublažavanja mera zabrana uvedenih zbog širenje koronavirusa, ali nas opet opet očekuje policijski vikend. Mnoge građane je to zbunilo, a i neke...

 

[draganzzz]

Zaražen: Vladika kruševački David pozitivan na koronu | Najnovije vesti - Srbija danas

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Smešten u...

 

Takodje Gospod da podari zdravlje i brz oporavak i vladiki krusevackom Davidu!

[GeniusAtWork]

Iznenadna skupština - Sofija Mandić - Peščanik

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Opozicija treba da bude na zasedanju i da pred milionskim auditorijumom (u kućnom zatvoru) pokaže da na političkoj sceni postoji još neko osim ljudi koje gledamo 44 dana, bez prestanka.

 

[Просечан србенда]

пре 3 часа, Ромејац рече

 

Што не рече  да је 1. Мај лажан празник?

[jovanstanic]

 

[Branka62]

14 hours ago, dragisa said:

 ova gospođa uopšte nije usamljena

Ovo nije ni bilo sporno - niko nije tvrdio suprotno.

14 hours ago, dragisa said:

Meni deluje da su sve iznete zamerke svedene na nivo interpretacije

Ne razumem šta podrazumevaš pod interpretacija.

Autor je kopirao (po njemu) sporne delove teksta i dao svoje obrazloženje zašto navedeno tvrdjene nije tačno/ da se tvrdjenje zasniva na pogrešnoj interpretaciji navedene studije/ da je u pitanju cherry picking...  I to sve sa upućivanjem na reference.

14 hours ago, dragisa said:

havala

Molim, i drugi put. 

[obi-wan]

Jeri, kad stavis rukavice, pravilo je da s njima cackas po ustima; "strucni" imbecilarijum...

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[Avocado]

15 hours ago, dragisa said:

Meni deluje da su sve iznete zamerke svedene na nivo interpretacije ali havala u svakom slučaju pošto sam čitajući o ovome našao još masu drugih članaka koji govore da ova gospođa uopšte nije usamljena i da postoje zaista ozbiljne indicije kako mobilni telefoni štetno deluju na ljudsko zdravlje

Kakav bre nivo interpretacije?

Ako gospođa napiše da sve (i to uz naglašavanje: "Every single one of them...") dugoročne studije pokazuju povećanje rizika za tumor mozga, a ovaj navede nekoliko dugoročnih studija koje to ne pokazuju, onda gospođa sasvim nesporno iznosi neistinitu tvrdnju. Nema tu nikakve interpretacije.

Ako gospođa napiše da je konkretna Danska studija imala samo dva učesnika koji su koristili mobilni duže od 10 godina, a takvih učesnika u studiji je bilo preko pedeset hiljada, onda gospođa sasvim nesporno laže, i to baš mnogo laže. Opet nije stvar nikakve interpretacije, nego neko tu laže, a nije uopšte teško utvrditi ko jer je tip ostavio link ka studiji i lepo ti u delu Results piše:

Of the 420 095 cellular telephone subscribers in the cohort, 357 553 were male and 62 542 were female. The mean time since first cellular telephone subscription was 8.5 years, and the median was 8.0 years. Among the male subscribers, 304 349 (85.1%) had their subscription for less than 10 years, 42 549 (11.9%) for 10–14 years, and 10 655 (3.0%) for 15–21 years (maximum). Among the female subscribers, the corresponding values were 59 098 (94.5%), 3 131 (5.0%), and 313 (0.5%), respectively.

Tačnije, tip je pogrešio jer je stavio cifre samo za muške korisnike (šovinista ) i nije dodao 3.131 ženu za 10-14 godina korišćenja i 313 za 15-21 godinu korišćenja.

Kad navedeš da je nečeg bilo 2 komada, pa ti neko ukaže da je bilo preko pedeset hiljada komada, kako to može da bude "zamerka na nivou interperetacije"???  

 

P.S. Greške su naravno uvek moguće, ali uzmi pa pročitaj tu studiju i videćeš da nema šanse da je neko pročita i da pogreši tako da napiše da su u toj studiji samo dva učesnika koristila mobilni preko 10 godina ili da studija nije rađena na osnovu računa za telefon (kao objektivnog parametra). Prosto nema šanse, čak i da čitaš sa pola mozga... to možeš samo da namerno lažeš (ako si pročitao studiju) ili da izmisliš (ako nisi ni pročitao).

 

[Ćiriličar]

Vlada treba da donese uredbu da svuda u svim prodavnicama, kafićima, radnjama, bankama, autobusima, svuda budu postavljeni dopunjujući sprejevi za dezinfekciju ruku...kao po porodilištima što ima.

Bolje im je to nego da kažnjavaju narod ako je neko izašo pred zgradu...

To bi trebalo i da nema korone...a na aerodromu u vc-u nema spreja za dezinfekciju ruku. Da ne govorimo drugde. To treba biti obavezno u svakom toaletu (posebno) a i na svim javnim mestima.

Treba da naloži kompanijama za prevoz da svako jutro prevozno sredstvo od voza do autobusa mora biti dezinfikobano...a banke, kafići, prodavnice, neka obezbede mušterijama po gram alkohola da dezinfikuju ruke, jer su došli da kdo njih potroše pare!

Gospodu kerovođe, najrogoroznije kažnjavati za ostavljanje izmeta, a izgraditi posebna mesta za pse, i zabrnaiti im da izmete oko zgrada....to je već stvar lokalnih zajednica!

[jovanstanic]

Danas se u Srbiji roditeljima koji imaju decu u vrtićima šalju pitanja da li imaju neophodnu potrebu da im deca budu u vrtićima od ponedeljka i oni koji imaju takvu potrebu, i to oba roditelja, moraju da pribave potvrde od firmi da bi deca mogla u vrtić. Oni koji mogu da rade od kuće ne ispunjavaju uslove da im deca budu u vrtićima. Danas moraju da budu spremni svi spiskovi da bi se u ministarstvima odredilo da li i kada i kako će se vrtići otvoriti da bi se neki ljudi vratili na radna mesta.

U međuvremenu u Engleskoj je nacionalni zdravstveni sistem izdao važno upozorenje da se hitno ispita povezanost novog soja korona virusa sa povećanim brojem prijema dece na urgentna odeljenja sa simptomima Kavasaki bolesti i otkazivanja organa. Izgleda da za sada ima različitih simptoma i kod dece koja jesu i koja (u trenutku testiranja) nisu pozitivna na novi korona virus ali su možda ranije već preležala infekciju. Zbog svih nejasnoća oko ovih novih slučajeva a budući da se i u Engleskoj diskutuje o otvaranju vrtića zdravstveni sistem je izdao hitnu poruku da se ispita veza korona virusa sa porastom broja dece koja ozbiljno obolevaju.
 

 

A serious new coronavirus-related condition may be emerging in children, with UK doctors reporting growing numbers requiring intensive care

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There is "growing concern" that a serious coronavirus-related condition may be emerging in children, UK doctors say.

A serious new coronavirus-related condition may be emerging in children, with UK doctors reporting growing numbers requiring intensive care

Adam Bienkov

19 hours ago

A serious coronavirus-related condition may be emerging among children, UK doctors say. 

 

General practitioners in the UK have been sent a "significant alert" telling them to look out for symptoms of the new condition, the Health Service Journal reported on Monday.

The alert said the condition had features of "toxic shock syndrome and atypical Kawasaki Disease," with "abdominal pain and gastrointestinal symptoms," according to the report.

The alert also said there had been an increase in children with the condition requiring intensive care in recent weeks, according to the Health Service Journal report.

The coronavirus pandemic has so far affected mostly adults, and the total number of cases of this unidentified condition in children is small.

The UK government on Monday said it was looking into the reports.

 

Doctors in the UK have reported a serious condition emerging in children that could be related to the coronavirus, with growing numbers requiring intensive care.

A "significant alert" sent to general practitioners in London said that in the past three weeks "there has been an apparent rise in the number of children of all ages presenting with a multisystem inflammatory state requiring intensive care," according to a Monday report by the Health Service Journal.

The alert added that "there is a growing concern that a [COVID-19] related inflammatory syndrome is emerging in children in the UK, or that there may be another, as yet unidentified, infectious pathogen associated with these cases."

It told doctors to "please refer children presenting with these symptoms as a matter of urgency."

The UK health secretary, Matt Hancock, told a press conference on Monday that he was "very worried" about the reports of the condition, which Stephen Powis, the National Health Service's medical director for England, said could be similar to Kawasaki disease.

"We have become aware in the past few days of reports of severe illness in children which might be a Kawasaki-like disease," Powis said, adding that the service had asked experts "to look into this as a matter of urgency."

The coronavirus pandemic has so far mostly affected adults, and the total number of cases of this unidentified condition in children is small, the UK's chief medical adviser, Christopher Whitty, told the press conference.

However, Whitty said it was "plausible" that there was a link between the condition and the coronavirus.

The Paediatric Intensive Care Society, which issued a separate "urgent alert" about the condition, called for an "early discussion" of all new cases to identify its origin and limit its spread, the report said.

The alerts said the condition had features of "toxic shock syndrome and atypical Kawasaki Disease with blood parameters consistent with severe COVID-19 in children," according to the report. They added that "abdominal pain and gastrointestinal symptoms" and "cardiac inflammation" were common.

The alerts said that "this has been observed in children with confirmed PCR positive SARS-CoV-2 infection as well as children who are PCR negative," referring to the official name of the coronavirus. It added that "serological evidence of possible preceding SARS-CoV-2 infection has also been observed."

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has come under growing pressure to reopen the nation's schools following the national lockdown that began in March.

 

Children falling critically ill with new 'coronavirus-related syndrome' as NHS issues alert

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Children are falling ill with a mystery ‘inflammatory syndrome’ thought to be linked to coronavirus, senior doctors have warned. NHS leaders have issued a nationwide alert after a sudden spike...

Children falling critically ill with new 'coronavirus-related syndrome' as NHS issues alert

Bill Gardner

The Telegraph•April 27, 2020

 

Children are falling ill with a mystery ‘inflammatory syndrome’ thought to be linked to coronavirus, senior doctors have warned.

NHS leaders have issued a nationwide alert after a sudden spike in children admitted to intensive care with rashes, kidney failure, and stomach problems.

The young patients have been struck down by symptoms similar to toxic shock and Kawasaki syndrome, a rare condition that weakens the blood vessels and usually affects children under five. 

Some have been admitted to intensive care after their hearts became dangerously inflamed, while others have been put on ventilators, it is understood.

On Monday night, Professor Stephen Powis, national medical director of NHS England, said he had asked experts to examine "as a matter of urgency" whether a coronavirus-related syndrome among children may be emerging in the UK.

"We have become aware in the last few days of reports of severe illness in children which might be a Kawasaki-like disease," he said. "Both Chris (Whitty) and I are aware of that, and we have asked our experts; I have asked the National Clinical Director for Children and Young People to look into this as a matter of urgency."

He said that Public Health England (PHE) was also looking into the reports, adding: "We're not sure at the moment - it is really too early to say whether there is a link."

Professor Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, added: "This is a very rare situation but I think it is entirely plausible that this is caused by this virus, at least in some cases."

At Monday's Downing Street press conference, Matt Hancock, the health secretary, said he was "very worried" about the new wave of children going into intensive care.

NHS leaders were quick to reassure parents that only a “handful” of cases had been identified, and said the risk to children from coronavirus remains low. The link between the new combination of symptoms and Covid-19 has not yet been confirmed, they said, and the advice to parents remains unchanged.

In an alert sent to GPs, health chiefs said: “There is growing concern that a [Covid-19]-related inflammatory syndrome is emerging in children in the UK.

“Over the last three weeks, there has been an apparent rise in the number of children of all ages presenting with a multi-system inflammatory state requiring intensive care across London and also in other regions of the UK.”

A similarly-worded warning was issued by the Paediatric Intensive Care Society to clinicians across the UK. It told clinical staff to urgently refer children suffering from three symptoms: abdominal pain, gastrointestinal symptoms, and cardiac inflammation.

It comes amid increasing pressure on the government to reopen schools, with some headteachers calling for classes to restart before the end of the summer term.

Since coronavirus first began to spread across the world last December, relatively few children have died from the disease. Only nine people under the age of 19 have died in England in hospital after testing positive for Covid-19, around 0.05 per cent of the total death toll. Their apparent resilience has puzzled doctors because young people are typically ‘super-spreaders’ of other viral illnesses such as influenza.

Children began presenting with the new syndrome around three weeks ago, according to the NHS alert. Often the patients are found to be suffering from stomach pain and gastrointestinal symptoms including vomiting and diarrhoea. Unlike adults, however, most of the children do not initially present with a cough or other respiratory problems, it is understood. The majority are found to have a fever and a persistently high temperature.

One paediatric doctor at a major London hospital told The Telegraph that some of the children have developed “darkened knuckles” for reasons currently unknown. Medics at the hospital are currently treating around a dozen children aged mostly between 10 and 12, the doctor said.

“We’re baffled by this,” he said.

“These children are becoming unwell quite quickly. They start feeling generally unwell, with non-specific symptoms. 

“Then many of them develop rashes on the neck, forearms and abdomen. The rashes can be flat, raised, angry-looking or gentle. No patient is exactly the same. 

“Some come in with darkened knuckles, which is not normal. It suggests some form of vasculitis - inflammation of the blood vessels. It’s likely to be some form of auto-immune reaction or ischemic response, where the blood supply is restricted.

“It’s all very new. We don’t know if there’s a mutated form of the virus that is causing this.

“The timeline is odd, too. All the kids I have talked to have stayed inside for the last few weeks, so it doesn’t match what we know about the incubation period. But because of the lack of testing, we can’t know for sure if they caught it off their parents, or by some other route.

“They can then become seriously ill very quickly. Some of the kids I treated have been transferred to intensive care because their organs were starting to fail. None of them have yet died, as far as I’m aware.”

All 12 children in the London hospital tested positive for Covid-19, although in other areas some patients have tested negative. A number have been taken into intensive care with inflammation of the heart. 

Other leading paediatricians confirmed that they too had seen a sudden rise in cases. It is not known whether any of the children have yet died.

Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust and a member of the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), said the alert was “really important” and called for the warning to be circulated widely to hospitals across the country.

Meanwhile, doctors in other countries reported similar cases in their hospitals.  A general inflammatory syndrome was reported for selected Covid-19 patients recently in University Hospital Zurich, while an Italian study published on Monday reported a  “significant increase of Kawasaki disease in Covid positive children”.

In the US, leaders at the Children’s National Hospital in Washington said they had been “surprised” by the number of children needing critical care.

Kawasaki disease affects mostly children under five years old and causes inflammation in the walls of the blood vessels. The rare condition can lead to aneurysms, heart attacks or heart failure.

Symptoms include a fever, a rash, swollen hands and feet, redness in the whites of the eyes and swollen lymph glands in the throat. 

Experts cautioned that the UK alert was a standard way of raising awareness quickly among clinicians about potential new illnesses, rather than confirmed evidence of a new syndrome. PHE announced on Monday that every case of coronavirus in children will be analysed by central labs. 

Professor Adilia Warris, Paediatric Infectious Diseases Specialist at the University of Exeter, said: “As we don’t know yet the full range of clinical presentations caused by Covid-19, we keep every possibility open that clinical presentations that can’t be explained by other causes might be caused by Covid-19, or even a not yet recognized pathogen. 

“Please do consider that the absolute number of those cases are very low (a handful at the moment).

“The call to ask if other colleagues have had comparable experiences over the last week is so we are able to define what is going on, and if there is reason for additional assessment into this.

Prof Simon Kenny, NHS national clinical director for children and young people, said: “Thankfully Kawasaki-like diseases are very rare, as currently are serious complications in children related to Covid-19, but it is important that clinicians are made aware of any potential emerging links so that they are able to give children and young people the right care fast.

“The advice to parents remains the same: if you are worried about your child for whatever reason, contact NHS 111 or your family doctor for urgent advice, or 999 in an emergency, and if a professional tells you to go to hospital, please go to hospital.”

 

[Ćiriličar]

2400 umrlih u Šveden, dok je u Nemčkoj umrlo 6100 ljudi. Dakle, Šveđani su omanuli ovaj put i to mnogo. Umrlo ih skoro polovina kao Nemaca a Nemaca ima 80 milona.

 

[dragisa]

пре 3 часа, Branka62 рече

Ovo nije ni bilo sporno - niko nije tvrdio suprotno.

Ne razumem šta podrazumevaš pod interpretacija.

Autor je kopirao (po njemu) sporne delove teksta i dao svoje obrazloženje zašto navedeno tvrdjene nije tačno/ da se tvrdjenje zasniva na pogrešnoj interpretaciji navedene studije/ da je u pitanju cherry picking...  I to sve sa upućivanjem na reference.

Molim, i drugi put. 

Ako ćemo iskreno ona se žena ogradila u svojoj prezentaciji i ukazala na ne mogućnosti dobijanja potpuno pouzdanih podataka i na druge objektivne okolnosti (recimo vrstu zračenja korišćenih u experimentima sa životinjama i onih kojima je izložen realni korisnik telefona)  zbog kojih se ne može sa sigurnošću ( u smislu 100% tvrdnje) tvrditi, ali je očigledan štetan uticaj na zdravlje. 

Ko slepo veruje u objektivnost studija samo nek se zapita zašto bi kompanije (proizvoači telefona ili mreže) koje sigurno neće ukoliko ne moraju (čitaj ne vide potencijalni rizik odštetnih zahteva) upozoravale korisnike na štetnost telefona?