Jordan Peterson - profesor na fronti kulturološkog rata

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пре 2 минута, Џуманџи рече

Мени ПП. 

Postavio u ateističkom klubu...

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Нови интервју, нисам гледао цео, ал ако је неко заинтересован. Боље него да гледаш The Walking Dead...

 

["Tamo daleko"]

Izuzetno inspirativan dijalog! Hvala za postavljen video intervju!

Hvala Bogu da se I na zapadu govori/promislja o slobodi u Pravoslavnom svetlu!

Interesantno je I to sto se u njegovim video predavanjima cesto provuce misao da se u nase vreme odigrava

"theological war"; volela bih kada bi se neko od nasih Otaca upustio u razgovore sa njim. Ako se ne varam ima do sada samo jedan video intervju sa OCA svestenikom? 

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jedna, cini mi se, razumna kritika:

 

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My problem (well one of them) is that its incredibly hard to determine Peterson's source(s) for any given statement or point.

So if he makes a statement you don't know if it comes from the psychology literature, philosophy, his own analysis, or is indeed just his own observation.

A example of this is when he discusses wealth inequality, saying that wealth inequality increases crime (supported by literature) because men aren't able to crime the dominance hierarchy (interpretation of the literature through evolutionary psyc)

Thats just a small example, but I find this is how all his talks are. The reason its problematic is that it takes a lot of effort to sift through a speech and identify whats what - so probably best just to take the whole thing with a grain of salt (or you can be a superfan and claim everything spoken as "truth")

I have to agree with u/fala1 in that this is not how most psychology lectures would operate. Usually when material is presented academically the lens or overarching perspective is kept consistent. An example would be most psychology courses (well should be) are presented with a scientific lens and heavily based in research literature. There's nothing wrong with taking a philosophical or other approach per se, its just a bit of a mess presenting it at once.

Hmmm I just tried to look up Peterson's university courses and found probably the only academic whose uni page links straight into a book advert.

Anyway my point is that most academics, in fact the whole point of academia is that you can trace their arguments and sources and make up your mind about the material, I find for Peterson you get such an eclectic mix he loses reliability.

odavde

 

 

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пре 14 часа, ana čarnojević рече

ma shit, ja vise nista ne razumem te uzase postmodernizma, sad ni Jung ne valja, brt ko tu koga i za cije babe zdravlje. 

Nije ni bitno, ako neko ima koristi od Jungove i Pitersonove price, onda super za njega, Piterson je svakako uspeo da pokrene ljude da urade nesto vise u zivotu, to je jedan od razloga zasto ga ljudi cene. Sva ta njihova prica sigurno ima bar neko uporiste u realnosti, ali je na naucnicima da sto bolje razdvoje realno od fantazije.

 

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пре 15 часа, Muramasa рече

Malo motivacije pred početak

 

 

 

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Jordan Peterson, Custodian of the Patriarchy

He says there’s a crisis in masculinity. Why won’t women — all these wives and witches — just behave?

By Nellie Bowles

May 18, 2018

 

TORONTO — Jordan Peterson fills huge lecture halls and tells his audiences there’s no shame in looking backward to a model of how the world should be arranged. Look back to the 1950s, he says — and back even further. He tells his audiences that they are smart. He is bringing them knowledge, yes, but it is knowledge that they already know and feel in their bones. He casts this as ancient wisdom, delivered through religious allegories and fairy tales which contain truth, he says, that modern society has forgotten.

Most of his ideas stem from a gnawing anxiety around gender. “The masculine spirit is under assault,” he told me. “It’s obvious.”

In Mr. Peterson’s world, order is masculine. Chaos is feminine. And if an overdose of femininity is our new poison, Mr. Peterson knows the cure. Hence his new book’s subtitle: “An Antidote to Chaos.”

“We have to rediscover the eternal values and then live them out,” he says.

Mr. Peterson, 55, a University of Toronto psychology professor turned YouTube philosopher turned mystical father figure, has emerged as an influential thought leader. The messages he delivers range from hoary self-help empowerment talk (clean your room, stand up straight) to the more retrograde and political (a society run as a patriarchy makes sense and stems mostly from men’s competence; the notion of white privilege is a farce). He is the stately looking, pedigreed voice for a group of culture warriors who are working diligently to undermine mainstream and liberal efforts to promote equality.

He is also very successful. His book, “12 Rules for Life,” which was published in January, has sold more than 1.1 million copies. Thanks to his YouTube channel, he makes more than $80,000 a month just on donations. Hundreds of thousands of people have taken his online personality tests and self-improvement writing exercises. The media covers him relentlessly.

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The left, he believes, refuses to admit that men might be in charge because they are better at it. “The people who hold that our culture is an oppressive patriarchy, they don’t want to admit that the current hierarchy might be predicated on competence,” he said.

Mr. Peterson illustrates his arguments with copious references to ancient myths — bringing up stories of witches, biblical allegories and ancient traditions. I ask why these old stories should guide us today.

“It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp. Yeah,” he says. “Why?”

It’s a hard one.

“Right. That’s right. You don’t know. It’s because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense that an old king lives in a desiccated tower.”

But witches don’t exist, and they don’t live in swamps, I say.

“Yeah, they do. They do exist. They just don’t exist the way you think they exist. They certainly exist. You may say well dragons don’t exist. It’s, like, yes they do — the category predator and the category dragon are the same category. It absolutely exists. It’s a superordinate category. It exists absolutely more than anything else. In fact, it really exists. What exists is not obvious. You say, ‘Well, there’s no such thing as witches.’ Yeah, I know what you mean, but that isn’t what you think when you go see a movie about them. You can’t help but fall into these categories. There’s no escape from them.”

Recently, a young man named Alek Minassian drove through Toronto trying to kill people with his van. Ten were killed, and he has been charged with first-degree murder for their deaths, and with attempted murder for 16 people who were injured. Mr. Minassian declared himself to be part of a misogynist group whose members call themselves incels. The term is short for “involuntary celibates,” though the group has evolved into a male supremacist movement made up of people — some celibate, some not — who believe that women should be treated as sexual objects with few rights. Some believe in forced “sexual redistribution,” in which a governing body would intervene in women’s lives to force them into sexual relationships.

Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

“He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.”

Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn’t make either gender happy in the end.

“Half the men fail,” he says, meaning that they don’t procreate. “And no one cares about the men who fail.”

I laugh, because it is absurd.

“You’re laughing about them,” he says, giving me a disappointed look. “That’s because you’re female.”

But aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, Mr. Peterson is staunchly against what he calls “equality of outcomes,” or efforts to equalize society. He usually calls them pathological or evil.

He agrees that this is inconsistent. But preventing hordes of single men from violence, he believes, is necessary for the stability of society. Enforced monogamy helps neutralize that.

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Lion Arar, 22, a theater student in Montreal, says Mr. Peterson’s discussion of gender brought him back to religion.

“It made sense in a primordial way when he breaks down Adam and Eve, the snake and chaos,” Mr. Arar says. “Eve made Adam self-conscious. Women make men self-conscious because they’re the ultimate judge. I was like, ‘Wow this is really true.’”

The changes in his life include starting to clean his room. “My mom’s been nagging me for years, but I’ve never done it until Dr. Peterson,” he says.

“You organize one shelf, you do that, just incremental challenges,” he says. “That makes you realize, ‘O.K., this is how I grow up.’”

Izvor: New York Times

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пре 25 минута, Paradoksologija рече

“It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp. Yeah,” he says. “Why?”

It’s a hard one.

“Right. That’s right. You don’t know. It’s because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense that an old king lives in a desiccated tower.”

But witches don’t exist, and they don’t live in swamps, I say.

“Yeah, they do. They do exist. They just don’t exist the way you think they exist. They certainly exist. You may say well dragons don’t exist. It’s, like, yes they do — the category predator and the category dragon are the same category. It absolutely exists. It’s a superordinate category. It exists absolutely more than anything else. In fact, it really exists. What exists is not obvious. You say, ‘Well, there’s no such thing as witches.’ Yeah, I know what you mean, but that isn’t what you think when you go see a movie about them. You can’t help but fall into these categories. There’s no escape from them.”

Suvi genije...

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пре 27 минута, Paradoksologija рече

Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

“He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.”

Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn’t make either gender happy in the end.

“Half the men fail,” he says, meaning that they don’t procreate. “And no one cares about the men who fail.”

I laugh, because it is absurd.

“You’re laughing about them,” he says, giving me a disappointed look. “That’s because you’re female.”

But aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, Mr. Peterson is staunchly against what he calls “equality of outcomes,” or efforts to equalize society. He usually calls them pathological or evil.

He agrees that this is inconsistent. But preventing hordes of single men from violence, he believes, is necessary for the stability of society. Enforced monogamy helps neutralize that.

Друштво да се побрине да incels имају секс. То је рационално решење. Шта рећи на то?! 

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пре 1 минут, Avocado рече

Suvi genije...

Ako mi verujete, meni koja se upravo ovakvim motivima kroz istoriju ideja bavim više od decenije, ovaj sumanuti realizam i sledstvujuća etika je jedino što me stvarno nervira kod Pitersona... Sa ostalim se može debatovati relativno racionalno (na stranu enforced monogamy, šta god time hteo da kaže )

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пре 1 минут, Lady Godiva рече

Друштво да се побрине да incels имају секс. То је рационално решење. Шта рећи на то?! 

Tu je jedino komunjara. Jer žene treba da daju svoje telo, tako da je to OK.

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пре 5 минута, Avocado рече

Suvi genije...

А видим да је оно "tell the truth" деловало и на тебе. Почео си да примењујеш. 

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пре 1 минут, Paradoksologija рече

Tu je jedino komunjara. Jer žene treba da daju svoje telo, tako da je to OK.

Пази пошто је за опште добро, онда је заиста океј наметати моногамију. Мсм друштво је изнад појединца. А и стварно те грозне жене, бирају с ким ће бити. Ужас живи.