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[Juanito]

пре 29 минута, Tumaralo. рече

@Juanito

Jel normalno ovo na 1:10?

 

Шта да ли је нормално? 

Технологија за откључавање лица ради баш онако како девојка демонстрира. Имаш пројектор инфрацрвене светлости који пројектује 30 000 тачака и инфрацрвену камеру која то снима. Снимак се онда шаље на анализу у посебан копроцесор који је специјализован за неуронске мреже и који може да изврши 100 милијарди операција у секунди, како би се препознавање радило у реалном времену. И све остаје на уређају, ради сигурности, у посебној хардверској енклави која је енкриптована.

[Avocado]

пре 2 часа, haveaniceday рече

Значи није изнео тачну бројку ДВТ је код 14 % 

Pulmonary embolism (PE) and deep vein thrombosis (DVT) occurred in 16.5% and 14.8% of patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), respectively, and more than half of patients with PE lacked DVT. The cutoffs of D-dimer levels used to exclude PE in preexisting guidelines seem applicable to patients with COVID-19.

И то нису гледали укупну слику ДВТ код свих оболелих од короне, него је ово како разумем бројка код одређеног брја случајева. Нису сваком ко оболи од короне 14 % шансе за ДВТ.
 

U jednom radu... u ovoj meta analizi je 20%... a ta navodi i neke druge studije sa 40-70% kod težih pacijenata...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30383-7/fulltext

Ne znam odakle mu cifra od 16,5%, nije dao izvor za tu cifru, kao ni izvore za cifre za tablete i pušenje... nije u pitanju naučni rad, nema izvora za sve tvrdnje...

 

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Дакле опет није потпуно искрен и транспарентан и кува бројке да би гурао своје поенте.... ето зато и треба да ћути.  Склон је оваквом претеривању и параноисању, није му први пут.

Zanimljiva teza... samo da vidim da li sam dobro razumeo... zato što je možda preuveličao cifru za nekoliko procenata da bi istakao poentu koja je nesporno tačna, on treba da ćuti? Šta bi onda trebalo da rade oni koji pričaju suprotno, neizmerno lupetajući?

 

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ево мислиш да ће му @Tumaralo. икада веровати нешто када је видео 1000001 његов пост како "нема шансе да је из лабораторије то трамп и лудаци лупају глупости"

Može link ka jednom takvom postu?

A @Tumaralo. će mu verovati samo ako ubaci bar tri zavere u tekst...

 

[Tumaralo.]

пре 1 сат, Juanito рече

Технологија за откључавање лица ради баш онако како девојка демонстрира

Ne znam da li se radi o "otključavanju lica" šta god to bilo?

Telefon je samo slikao na svakih 5 sekundi. Da se ne bi ugasio jer ga ovaj koristi?

[Juanito]

пре 6 минута, Tumaralo. рече

Ne znam da li se radi o "otključavanju lica" šta god to bilo?

Telefon je samo slikao na svakih 5 sekundi. Da se ne bi ugasio jer ga ovaj koristi?

Моја грешка, тј. веома непрецизан израз. Ради се о откључавању телефона препознавањем лица, што је алтернатива отиску прста или старом несигурном пин коду. Значи телефон не само да слика сваких не знам колко секунди, него пројектује 30 000 инфрацрвених тачака на лице и то је оно што друга камера на снимку хвата. Ово се не дешава током коришћења телефона, него током откључавања. 

[Tumaralo.]

пре 1 минут, Juanito рече

Ово се не дешава током коришћења телефона, него током откључавања

Tamo je prikazano samo gledanje u telefon.

[Juanito]

Управо сада, Tumaralo. рече

Tamo je prikazano samo gledanje u telefon.

Па да, телефон се откључава тако што га подигнеш и погледаш у њега.

[Juanito]

ОК, не само током откључавања, већ и током аутентикације. На пример, ако желиш да платиш картицом која је сачувана на телефону или ако желиш да се улогујеш на Поуке лозинком која је сачувана...

[Avocado]

пре 1 минут, Juanito рече

Па да, телефон се откључава тако што га подигнеш и погледаш у њега.

Samsung ima i opciju da se ne isključuje ako gledaš u njega...

https://www.samsung.com/za/support/mobile-devices/what-is-the-smart-stay-feature-on-my-samsung-galaxy-note2/

pretpostavljam da bi i za tako nešto morao da ti "slika" lice svakih X sekundi?

[Juanito]

пре 24 минута, Avocado рече

Samsung ima i opciju da se ne isključuje ako gledaš u njega...

https://www.samsung.com/za/support/mobile-devices/what-is-the-smart-stay-feature-on-my-samsung-galaxy-note2/

pretpostavljam da bi i za tako nešto morao da ti "slika" lice svakih X sekundi?

Могуће, можда има и других начина, ал шта и ако то раде и која је поента целе приче? Ако је брига за приватност, то је легитимно питање. Не знам за Самсунг, код Епла сви ти подаци које користи FaceId остају у сигурносној енклави на уређају и енркитповани су. С тим не сме да има зајебанције јер се између осталог користи за плаћање кредитним картицама, што код америчких корисника често значи да су милиони долара у питању. 

 У сваком случају, ни Епл ни Самсунг не крију да те технологије раде тако како раде, па ми није јасно о чему се овде ради и на шта се сумња. Једино што разумем је ако неко не верује да ти подаци остају на уређају, ал мислим да није то у питању.

[Avocado]

пре 2 минута, Juanito рече

 У сваком случају, ни Епл ни Самсунг не крију да те технологије раде тако како раде, па ми није јасно о чему се овде ради и на шта се сумња. Једино што разумем је ако неко не верује да ти подаци остају на уређају, ал мислим да није то у питању.

Ahmmmmm... očigledno nisi pogledao dalje klip... ne moraš mnogo... samo od 1:50 do 2:20.... nećeš se razočarati... 

[haveaniceday]

Пре сат времена, Tumaralo. рече

Tamo je prikazano samo gledanje u telefon.

На неким телефонима имаш отисак прста, пин код, апл је све то одбацио за фејсид мислим. 

Тако да ти је једини начин ауторизација и аутентикација лице. 

например, да ти унесе пасворд за фејсбук. Може неко да узме твој телефон и не може да отвори фејсбук јер телефон зна да га ти не гледаш. 

[Tumaralo.]

пре 8 часа, Juanito рече

Једино што разумем је ако неко не верује да ти подаци остају на уређају, ал мислим да није то у питању.

Pa to je. Kako neko može biti siguran da podaci ostaju u uređaju? 

Pored toga, među korisnicima nije opšte poznato da ih telefon stalno slika iz bilo kog razloga. A u pitanju je ozbiljna stvar.

BigTech se i nisu nesto proslavili kada je reč o zaštiti privatnosti..

[Bernard]

пре 16 часа, Bernard рече

First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2

Abstract

A previously symptomless 86-year-old man received the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. He died 4 weeks later from acute renal and respiratory failure. Although he did not present with any COVID-19-specific symptoms, he tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 before he died. Spike protein (S1) antigen-binding showed significant levels for immunoglobulin (Ig) G, while nucleocapsid IgG/IgM was not elicited. Acute bronchopneumonia and tubular failure were assigned as the cause of death at autopsy; however, we did not observe any characteristic morphological features of COVID-19. Postmortem molecular mapping by real-time polymerase chain reaction revealed relevant SARS-CoV-2 cycle threshold values in all organs examined (oropharynx, olfactory mucosa, trachea, lungs, heart, kidney and cerebrum) except for the liver and olfactory bulb. These results might suggest that the first vaccination induces immunogenicity but not sterile immunity.

Keywords: SARS-CoV-2, Vaccine, Autopsy, Histology, RT-PCR

 

We report on an 86-year-old male resident of a retirement home who received vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. Past medical history included systemic arterial hypertension, chronic venous insufficiency, dementia and prostate carcinoma. On January 9, 2021, the man received lipid nanoparticle-formulated, nucleoside-modified RNA vaccine BNT162b2 in a 30 μg dose. On that day and in the following 2 weeks, he presented with no clinical symptoms (Table 1 ). On day 18, he was admitted to hospital for worsening diarrhea. Since he did not present with any clinical signs of COVID-19, isolation in a specific setting did not occur. Laboratory testing revealed hypochromic anemia and increased creatinine serum levels. Antigen test and polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for SARS-CoV-2 were negative.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8051011/

Dajte ljudi, batalite te telefone, pročitajte još jednom, pa napišite nešto ako vam nije teško!

[Bernard]

Ja ne vidim dobro, dr. Fauci je kriv za to!

[Bernard]

             Coronavirus as Ideology

 

                     

Like you, I try to get out once a day to keep clarity of mind, whether out for a walk or, even better, to experience something of commercial life out there, truncated as it might be. Businesses doing business, wealth being created despite every barrier, is nothing if not inspiring. 

Our cities look windswept but our overlords have deemed some businesses essential so at least there’s that. This weekend, the liquor store was hopping and happy but so too was the office-supply place. Smiles all around, especially from the workers who have never been happier to have a job and get a paycheck. 

But even with this, you never know when you are going to bump into someone for whom this virus is not a disease to overcome but a philosophy to live. And so there she was, a twenty-something standing guard at a distillery that had been deemed essential because now they make hand sanitizer….

(Let me just pause and say that I suddenly feel like I’m writing the plot of a dystopian novel. I still can’t believe this has actually happened to us.)

This young woman – I’ve known her from before because I often bring people here – is usually dressed in hipster garb, a ring on her face somewhere, and she previously specialized in hyping the peaty flavor notes in their local whiskey. 

This time, however, she was dressed head-to-toe like a Taliban wife, complete with loose-fitting cotton bodysuit, gloves, and a face mask. Faux-scrubs, as if she were headed to surgery. When she realized that I was not there as a suffering patient seeking hand sanitizer, she lit into me hard. 

“It’s very irresponsible for you to be going on joy rides and socializing in the midst of this epidemic,” she barked. “You are taking up space. You could be infecting people.” 

By infecting, I don’t think she meant coronavirus; it was my comportment of normalcy to which she objected. 

I took it well, smiled a bit, and said “Wait, you are serious.” She said, “Deadly serious.”

That’s when it finally struck me. This is not just a virus. It’s a template. People paint on it with their own philosophical presumptions, their visions, their deep perceptions about the path of history, and pour onto this template every grievance against the world, every perceived slight and every hope for how the world should be organized. Their heavens and their hells are reflected in the goings on all around them. For them, this is not a health malady; it’s a chance to affirm their worldview and impose it on others.

I’m just guessing because I don’t know this person’s personal history, but she probably went to a Northeastern college with a soft major and loaded up on classes preaching the usual combination of postulates dear to the hearts of the academic ruling class that sees the world as fundamentally marred by appropriation, microaggression, identitarian denialism, and structural racism/sexism/imperialism. The world is deeply broken, this ideology says. Some people did this. Be very very angry at them. 

That’s all she knows. Mostly she forgets about all this blather and just happily works at her job. Not now. The crisis is her chance to put her education to good use and shove it down everyone’s throats, maybe not in the particulars but in the general sense that the only way to fix the world is to be an activist for justice, whatever that means. Coronajustice. 

This penchant for channeling one’s ideology was obvious from the beginning of this. Even back in February, you had people going to their corners into camps: this is all a lie vs. we are all going to die. The lie camp was occupied by the people who don’t believe anything ever. The die camp was merely exercising an apocalyptic vision of either left or right. 

There have been some surprises here, pundits with no previous knowledge of anything medical much less epidemiological who were cocksure that this disease was the new Black Death. They couldn’t wait to explain it to the rest of us. Meanwhile, in the millenarian religious press, we heard that this is proof of the coming rapture, god’s vengeance against a sinful world, the fulfillment of prophecy. 

There are those who shape everything they believe in opposition to Trump who is the Great Satan. These have been challenging times for them because Trump has whipsawed from one end to the other. He began as a dismissalist who couldn’t even be bothered to follow the news about it, much less look into the egregious failures of testing that were the fault of his own regulatory agencies. Then possibly sensing a chance to exercise the powers of an emperor, he flipped the other way. Now he is this extremely strange mix of opinions but with one overriding theme: he is the hero. 

This flipflopping has presented problems for the anti-Trump media. Initially, there was a concerted effort to push back on his dismissals, and instead drum up a frenzy. Then the rap on him became that he was not exercising enough dictatorial power – this from people who had warned that Trump was an authoritarian in waiting and couldn’t be trusted with power. That was confusing, to say the least. As I write, he is once again flipping back and forth between “close it down” and “open it up,” while Andrew Cuomo, a new hero among Democratic activists, is blasting his desire to quarantine the whole of New York. 

Still, there has been a theme to Trump’s seeming chaos, and it was evident from his first national address on the topic. He decided to cast the virus in the framework of his own nationalism, which he believes to be his great contribution to world history. The virus came from China. China, he kept saying. Call it the China Virus. Also, block all travel to the United States from Europe, he demanded. He got his way and thus caused a disaster at airports around the country, swarms of people crushed together for 8-12 hours in waiting even as the White House was telling everyone to socially distance. Even now, there are tens of thousands of people with lives and jobs in America who are trapped abroad, locked in and locked out. 

For Trump and the Trumpsters, this is not a disease to cure; it is proof that globalism is wrong and confirmation that America needs to seal its borders to all people and goods. 

And just as some ideologies have boomed, others have gone bust. I’m thinking in particular of the variety of environmentalism that favors reusing everything, eschewing functioning toilets and faucets, and expresses loathing of consumer culture. The plastic bags are now back at check-out counters, the toilet paper aisle is empty, and “impossible burgers” sit on the shelf unbought. 

Yep, meat is back. So is cleanliness. It turns out that pro-dirt green ideology was a luxury good consumable only in peace and prosperity. 

It’s been extremely difficult in these times to think clearly as a professional medical service provider might. To them, this is a virus and the people who contract it need to be identified, isolated, and treated. Maybe that doesn’t sound complicated but sometimes the hardest thing is to think simply. It’s darn-near impossible when a perfect storm of media mania, political ambition, and public ignorance combined to open up a barrel full of toxic ideology that has poisoned people’s ability to be rational. 

Even now, many people aren’t reading news or looking at data. They are confirming their biases. Our political culture has fully bled – a tsunami of blood – into one of the most essential tasks of civilization: caring for and curing the sick, and hence drowning rationality, science, and medical professionalism, and doing so at the expense of a billion lives. 

Yes, that’s the tragic cost of an ideologically obsessed culture. Instead of defeating the virus, we are using its presence among us to defeat each other. 

 

Coronavirus as Ideology

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Even now, many people aren’t reading news or looking at data. They are confirming their biases. Our political culture has fully bled – a tsunami of blood – into one of the most essential tasks...