Da li većina ide u Pakao ili ne ?

[Tumaralo.]

пре 2 часа, Драшко рече

zasto?

zato sto za casu vode ides u raj?

Kako za casu vode?

[Bernard]

On 4/29/2020 at 9:56 PM, Tumaralo. said:

Uf da, zaboravih ovo..

Izgleda da je Bog ipak psiho

Križ je tvoja usoda do smrti. To je težko. Hotel bi se osvoboditi križev, a si na nje pribit. To je kraj kjer se umira. Ljudje te bodo pribijali nanj. Ali se boš zbal, ali boš Vanj zaupal?

So nekateri križi, ki jih je treba nositi do konca. Zaman se trudiš, da bi se jih osvobodil. Od tebe je odvisno, ali boš opustil to neuspešno bitko in prišel k Njemu.

Takrat boš umrl in začel živeti. Ne boj se! On samo to želi, da ne varaš samega sebe in ne čakaš nečesa drugega.

Križi ostanejo do konca in prej ko umrješ, prej boš vstal! Koliko prej se boš nehal upirati , toliko prej Ga boš srečal!

 

 

The Epistle of St. Paul the Apostle to the Romans - Chapter 6

23. For the wages of sin is death. But the grace of God, life everlasting, in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ according to St. Luke - Chapter 19

 

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As they were hearing these things, he added and spoke a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately be manifested.

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He said therefore: A certain nobleman went into a far country, to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

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And calling his ten servants, he gave them ten pounds, and said to them: Trade till I come.

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But his citizens hated him: and they sent an embassage after him, saying: We will not have this man to reign over us.

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And it came to pass, that he returned, having received the kingdom: and he commanded his servants to be called, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

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And the first came, saying: Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

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And he said to him: Well done, thou good servant, because thou hast been faithful in a little, thou shalt have power over ten cities.

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And the second came, saying: Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

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And he said to him: Be thou also over five cities.

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And another came, saying: Lord, behold here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin;

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For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up what thou didst not lay down, and thou reapest that which thou didst not sow.

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He saith to him: Out of thy own mouth I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up what I laid not down, and reaping that which I did not sow:

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And why then didst thou not give my money into the bank, that at my coming, I might have exacted it with usury?

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And he said to them that stood by: Take the pound away from him, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

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And they said to him: Lord, he hath ten pounds.

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But I say to you, that to every one that hath shall be given, and he shall abound: and from him that hath not, even that which he hath, shall be taken from him.

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But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.

 

 

 

The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ according to St. Luke - Chapter 19

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And entering in, he walked through Jericho.

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And behold, there was a man named Zacheus, who was the chief of the publicans, and he was rich.

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And he sought to see Jesus who he was, and he could not for the crowd, because he was low of stature.

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And running before, he climbed up into a sycamore tree, that he might see him; for he was to pass that way.

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And when Jesus was come to the place, looking up, he saw him, and said to him: Zacheus, make haste and come down; for this day I must abide in thy house.

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And he made haste and came down; and received him with joy.

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And when all saw it, they murmured, saying, that he was gone to be a guest with a man that was a sinner.

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But Zacheus standing, said to the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wronged any man of any thing, I restore him fourfold.

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Jesus said to him: This day is salvation come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham.

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For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

[sanja84]

On 6.7.2019. at 23:34, SerbCro рече

Nazalost da. Ja isto idem tamo ako se ponovo ne okrenem Bogu i ne vratim prvoj ljubavi. Bojim se ponekad. Zapravo stalno, samo potiskujem to.

A to mi nije jasno...šta je to prva ljubav. Onaj početnički  polet - blagodat ili...? Šta ako neko nije imao tu prvu "ljubav"?

[sanja84]

Пре сат времена, Bernard рече

Križ je tvoja usoda do smrti. To je težko. Hotel bi se osvoboditi križev, a si na nje pribit. To je kraj kjer se umira. Ljudje te bodo pribijali nanj. Ali se boš zbal, ali boš Vanj zaupal?

So nekateri križi, ki jih je treba nositi do konca. Zaman se trudiš, da bi se jih osvobodil. Od tebe je odvisno, ali boš opustil to neuspešno bitko in prišel k Njemu.

Takrat boš umrl in začel živeti. Ne boj se! On samo to želi, da ne varaš samega sebe in ne čakaš nečesa drugega.

Križi ostanejo do konca in prej ko umrješ, prej boš vstal! Koliko prej se boš nehal upirati , toliko prej Ga boš srečal!

Eto, o tome sam ja pričala u temi o depresiji... Bernard je to lepo objasnio.

[SerbCro]

6 hours ago, sanja84 said:

A to mi nije jasno...šta je to prva ljubav. Onaj početnički  polet - blagodat ili...? Šta ako neko nije imao tu prvu "ljubav"?

Otk. 2:4  Budem rekao iz svog iskustva : Sve kaj  sam trebal bil je Krist, i moja duša je bila ispunjena Duhom Svetim, i izlivena je ta ljubav prema Isusu i prema drugim ljudima, koju ja prije sam od sebe nikad nisam imao, i bil sam sretan, to je valjda jedini put u životu da sam bio istinski sretan, ne računajući mladalaćke zaljubljenosti, ali to se nemre usporedit. To je trajalo nekih 2 mjeseca možda, znal sam da je Bog u meni, i sa mnom, jednostavno to osjećaš, i nitko ti nemre reći drugačije, jedino vide tvoju promjenu. Zapraf, većina misli da si poludjel, jer želiš samo o Isusu govorit, jer te to ispunjava, raduje. Onda sam nažalost i pored upozorenja koja sam primao iznutra se vratio nekim starim grijesima, i Duh Sveti me je ostavio, tj bolje rečeno, ja sam Njega ostavio jer nisam htio ostaviti neke 'omiljene grijehe' (blud, pornografija), i naravno da Onaj koji je svet neće učestvovati u našim djelima tame. 

[Vasilije.]

On 8/5/2019 at 4:49 AM, Zayron said:

Evo zbog čega je alkohol opasan, glavno medju mladim momcima.

Alkohol je koristan kao lek za tugu, za oba pola, jer tuga u čašu ne staje, a za devojke je najpogodniji posle raskida, da joj danima muti sliku.

Dobar je i za radost, jer najbolje se mješa džin i limunada.

[kopitar]

Da li je strah od pakla milost?

 

"The contrition called 'imperfect' ... is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin's ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear) .... Peter Kreeft "Catholic Christianity"


DS 1558 Kan. 8. Tko kaže da je strah od pakla, zbog kojeg žalimo radi grijeha i utječemo se Božjem milosrđu ili se čuvamo grijeha, grijeh ili da on (takav strah) čini još veće grješnike, neka bude kažnjen anatemom.


Jedna od osuđenih zabluda janzenista glasi, citiram;


DS 2314 Strah od pakla nije nadnaravan.

[Bokisd]

Pa, da, to je sustina straha od pakla, ..... i jedan od razloga straha od mitarstava - iako mitarstva imaju jos jednu drugu stranu u odnosu na duhovni zivot.....

[kopitar]

пре 8 минута, Bokisd рече

Pa, da, to je sustina straha od pakla, ..... i jedan od razloga straha od mitarstava - iako mitarstva imaju jos jednu drugu stranu u odnosu na duhovni zivot.....

E sad ja ne znam da li ovaj kanon još uvijek vrijedi..

[Bokisd]

Sto ne vredi ako ima teoloskog smisla..... il' kako kazemo na forum..... kontekst  .... 

[kopitar]

пре 1 сат, Bokisd рече

Sto ne vredi ako ima teoloskog smisla..... il' kako kazemo na forum..... kontekst  .... 

Ova mističarka kaže da ne treba.

 

Molitva Rabie al-Adawiyye bila je: "O Bože, ako te obožavam iz straha od pakla, tada daj neka u paklu izgorim, ako te obožavam radi nade u raj, onda mi ga ne daj. No ako te obožavam zarad tebe samoga, ne ustegni od mene svoju vječnu krasotu!" ^[3]

[Bokisd]

Svako pocetak je tezak, kako se kaze,...... tako i kod nas kaze se tamo .....pocetak mudrosti strah Gospodnji..... ne mozemo da preskocimo taj stepenik straha i strahopostovanja, ....  pa posle ide malo visi duhovni nivo.....