Masovna vakcinacija = Immune Escape = EMERGENCY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN

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пре 49 минута, GeniusAtWork рече

Вероватно ће ићи на ово:

Да својим ставовима омета вакцинацију коју спроводи држава. Али колико сам сконтао нашу власт, ми смо у врху по броју вакцинисаних...тако да 

Nije dovoljno da ometa... potrebno je da osujeti ili značajnije omete...

Ići će verovatno na pokušaj... da je htela da osujeti ali nije u tome uspela, što je s obzirom da prirodu dela debilno ali moze da prodje..

[obi-wan]

пре 2 часа, dragisa рече

quanoncima

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пре 2 часа, dragisa рече

q-ac

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[dragisa]

@obi-wan

Q sledbenici-vernici

Q-anon, internet fenomen koji se doselio i kod nas, nisam mogao da živim od "drugara" u crkvi (listom svi ultra-pravoslavci) koji se sad prave ludi kao da ništa nije bilo, a koji su svake nedelje dolazili sapričom da je uhapšen Bernanki, pa Obama, pa Klinton, pa Soroš, pa... ...samo se to još ne zna 

[obi-wan]

пре 4 минута, dragisa рече

@obi-wan

Q sledbenici-vernici

Q-anon, internet fenomen koji se doselio i kod nas, nisam mogao da živim od "drugara" u crkvi (listom svi ultra-pravoslavci) koji se sad prave ludi kao da ništa nije bilo, a koji su svake nedelje dolazili sapričom da je uhapšen Bernanki, pa Obama, pa Klinton, pa Soroš, pa... ...samo se to još ne zna 

Nemam pojma da to uopste ima ime. 

[dragisa]

пре 4 минута, obi-wan рече

Nemam pojma da to uopste ima ime. 

ima: SPIN

taktika koja obesmišljava svaku normalnu diskusije skrećući pravac (i ton) diskusije o nekim legitimnim pitanjima na očigledno ne prihvatljive (radikalizovane) stavove

npr.: legitimno je pravo da ne želim ličnu kartu sa čipom, onda spinuju puštanjem priče da će ti foto aparat prilikom slikanja urezati 666 na čelu... i kada onda legitimno kažeš da ne želiš čipovanu l.k. kažu aaa misliš zbog žiga zveri i tu je onda teško objašnjavati da postoje brojni razlozi zašto tako misliš jer si ovom tehnikom etiketiran kao glup, zaostao i sklon sujeverju...

istu kampanju vidim i ovih dana na tv, ako ne želiš vakcinu ti si automatski ravnozemljaš, teoretičar zavere i (vrlo opasno) neko ko više nije ravnopravan u društvu.

ja se prosto pitam da li su ljudi koji podržavaju takvu ideju segregacije po osnovu vakcine, svesni da su oni savremeni komesari-bukači (kao nekadašnji komunisti) koji bi potpuno svesno gonili ljude koji im ama baš ništa nisu učinili niti ih bilo čime ugrozili. srećom pravo na izbor je regulisano zakonom iza kojeg stoji ogromna većina pa se nadam da će tako i ostati... jer istorija pokazuje da se "kolo" čas posla okrene kada se pretera.

[Bernard]

[obi-wan]

пре 3 часа, dragisa рече

ima: SPIN

taktika koja obesmišljava svaku normalnu diskusije skrećući pravac (i ton) diskusije o nekim legitimnim pitanjima na očigledno ne prihvatljive (radikalizovane) stavove

npr.: legitimno je pravo da ne želim ličnu kartu sa čipom, onda spinuju puštanjem priče da će ti foto aparat prilikom slikanja urezati 666 na čelu... i kada onda legitimno kažeš da ne želiš čipovanu l.k. kažu aaa misliš zbog žiga zveri i tu je onda teško objašnjavati da postoje brojni razlozi zašto tako misliš jer si ovom tehnikom etiketiran kao glup, zaostao i sklon sujeverju...

istu kampanju vidim i ovih dana na tv, ako ne želiš vakcinu ti si automatski ravnozemljaš, teoretičar zavere i (vrlo opasno) neko ko više nije ravnopravan u društvu.

ja se prosto pitam da li su ljudi koji podržavaju takvu ideju segregacije po osnovu vakcine, svesni da su oni savremeni komesari-bukači (kao nekadašnji komunisti) koji bi potpuno svesno gonili ljude koji im ama baš ništa nisu učinili niti ih bilo čime ugrozili. srećom pravo na izbor je regulisano zakonom iza kojeg stoji ogromna većina pa se nadam da će tako i ostati... jer istorija pokazuje da se "kolo" čas posla okrene kada se pretera.

Jasno. Sve je ovo u nekom drugom obliku vec vidjeno mnogo puta do sad.

[obi-wan]

A gledajte ovo, ovo vec nikako ne valja.

"Now, however, people will have to mask up in places like beaches or the countryside, even if no one else is nearby."

...

Spain passes mask mandate for all outdoor public spaces

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New law requires people to wear masks on beaches or in forests, even with no one else around - Anadolu Agency

 

[Bernard]

Fetal Tissue Vaccines: 12 Faulty Assumptions

 

 

As with the MMR¹ vaccine, the Oxford/AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine are produced in cell lines derived from abortions² — by contrast Moderna and Pfizer’s vaccines used them in testing.³

Flawed Foundations

The debate around the morality of fetal tissue vaccines frequently has at its heart three beliefs:

1. In receiving the vaccine we are not cooperating with past evil;
2. In receiving the vaccine we are not contributing to present or future evil;
3. There is almost no connection between the vaccine and the murdered baby.

These beliefs are flawed because they rest upon faulty assumptions — thus, whichever side you stand on, it’s worth considering the most common ones.

1. “Only a few babies were used.”

While each individual cell line contains the cells of just one baby, many aborted babies are used in the process of creating a cell line.⁴ For example, under oath, scientist Stanley Plotkin admitted that there were 76 aborted babies used in just one vaccine study.⁵ Furthermore, with cell line WI-25 we know that it was the 25th specimen from the 19th baby.⁶

The two cell strains used by Covid vaccines are named HEK293 and PERC6.⁷ The name HEK 293 stands for a Human Embryonic Kidney from the 293rd experiment⁸ — we can be confident that more babies preceded the final baby used for HEK293.⁹

2. “The babies were of a very early gestation.”

Most of the babies whose tissue formed the basis of the different vaccine cell lines, were over 3 months when aborted.¹⁰ For example, under oath, scientist Stanley Plotkin admitted that all of the 76 unborn babies used in the study were 3 months or older.¹¹

At 3 months, a baby is fully formed: “she has begun swallowing and kicking… facial muscles are getting a workout as her tiny features form one expression after another…”¹²

3. “Consent was given, so usage is ethical.”

Parties to a murder cannot ethically donate the body of their victim to research. Thus it follows that no meaningful consent exists. (Though the mothers involved are often, to varying extents, victims themselves.)

4. “The baby was dead when the tissue was taken.”

With fetal tissue research, cell death renders the tissue unfit for purpose: tissues and organs must be harvested “within 5 minutes”^13,14 and at times this occurs while the baby’s heart is still beating^15,16 — this was also revealed during a Planned Parenthood court deposition.^17,18

Thus, harvesting the organs can be a type of torture¹⁹ beyond the normal abortion procedure. Though we have no definitive proof live harvesting occurred specifically in the making of vaccine cell lines, since it is “no rare event”^20,21,22,23 there are legitimate grounds for concern.²⁴

5. “Some were from miscarriages.”

“The requirements for ‘freshness’ of many human foetal tissues”²⁵ mean it is extremely unlikely any were from miscarriages.²⁶ “To obtain embryo cells, embryos from spontaneous abortions cannot be used…”²⁷

6. “Using a dead body is distinct from abortion.”

Some imagine that those involved in creating the cell lines have nothing to do with the abortion itself. However, in advance of the abortion of a fetus whose tissue will be used for research, there are a number of steps that take place. These include obtaining consent, conducting genetic screening,²⁸ selecting the abortion method²⁹ and other steps for optimal harvesting³⁰ — all of which impact the abortionist’s conduct, creating considerable interplay with the agent seeking human material, who thus “becomes to some extent an accessory”.³¹ A parallel to Saul at Stephen’s stoning³² exists — Saul didn’t throw a stone, but as a consenting bystander he was not without moral guilt.³³ In cases of live tissue extraction, research is still more directly connected to murder.

7. “No one now profits from the abortion.”

Companies who developed the cell lines continue to be rewarded by their use, including in vaccines.³⁴ Thus direct benefit accrues to agents complicit in the original murder.

8. “Vaccines don’t contain the child’s actual cells.”

Vaccines produced in cell lines contain fragments³⁵ of the child’s DNA — one study even found “a complete individual genome”³⁶ of the aborted child. The divided cells the vaccine was grown in would have been the child’s as she grew.^37,38

9. “No extra abortions are necessary.”

Despite claims to the contrary, normal cell strains “are in fact ‘mortal'”³⁹, bound by the “Hayflick Limit”⁴⁰ of about 50 cell divisions. Since HEK293 becomes cancerous after time,⁴¹ it will need replacing — just as other early cell strains did.⁴² The use of vaccines eventually creates a need for further abortions to replace depleting stocks.

10. “The abortions were from decades ago.”

Though most abortions for vaccines were from before the 80’s,^43,44 time cannot make murder moral. Moreover, a new Chinese cell line, WALVAX-2 was created in 2015,⁴⁵ and as already explained, more lines will be necessary.

11. “No further babies are suffering as a result.”

While fetal tissue vaccines are widely accepted, general fetal harvesting is legitimised and impossible to ban^46,47,48 — so it has grown instead, leading to many more babies suffering.

For example, in 1982 a container of 16,500 fetuses was found at the US home of a former laboratory owner.⁴⁹ In 2003, the Dutch company behind HEK293 sought aborted babies as far afield as New Zealand⁵⁰ and Australia.⁵¹ Journal articles discuss “the fetal tissue economy” in Britain.⁵² In 2019, 2,200 fetuses were found at an abortionists home⁵³ and the court depositions of Planned Parenthood staff⁵⁴ showed harvesting continues at scale.

Moreover, both polls^55,56,57 (and some practice⁵⁸) indicate that parents are more likely to choose abortion if “medical use” of a fetus is possible. Thus, if the option of having babies used for medical purposes was not available, less future babies would suffer and be aborted.

If even a percentage of the 2-3 billion nominal⁵⁹ pro-lifers rejected such vaccines, moral alternatives would be found and an “ethically, morally and biblically wrong”⁶⁰ industry might end.

12. “The ‘greater good’ outweighs concerns.”

To acquiesce with evil against an innocent unwilling victim for the sake of communal blessing enters dark waters — all historic child sacrifice is based on this premise. “However, it may then be argued that these baby body parts would otherwise be wasted, thrown away. But not only does this justify abortion, but it is pure utilitarianism, that says pretty well anything is justified as long as the end is (potentially) good. In good medical science the end does not justify the means.”⁶¹

Conclusion

From a Judeo-Christian perspective, the God of the Old and New Testament is set apart by not asking for the firstborn of men to die that others might live — but instead by giving his own firstborn in man’s place. There seems a potential conflict between ingesting the Lord’s flesh and blood, and that of a baby’s body “broken for you” — fetal tissue vaccines perhaps possess moral taint far beyond that of meat offered to idols.

 

Fetal Tissue Vaccines: 12 Faulty Assumptions

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As with the MMR vaccine, the Oxford/AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine are produced in cell lines derived from abortions — by contrast Moderna

 

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пре 56 минута, Bernard рече

vaccine, the Oxford/AstraZeneca

ovom sam se vakcinisao!

 

[Paradoksologija]

 

Cuban officials say they’re developing cheap and easy-to-store serums. They are able to last at room temperature for weeks, and in long-term storage as high as 46.4 degrees, potentially making them a viable option for low-income, tropical countries that have been pushed aside by bigger, wealthier nations in the international scrum for coronavirus vaccines.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/29/cuba-coronavirus-vaccine-iran-venezuela/?fbclid=IwAR1Y6IwcXxpRjHeQao6ET1XIwwFcuzthRMXSYYRncBOULnm1NnYVOITxcKI

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пре 12 минута, Paradoksologija рече

potentially making them a viable option for low-income, tropical countries that have been pushed aside

Цитат

How the vaccination campaign goes in places such as Nqileni will have an impact not only in South Africa — which with 52,000 official deaths is the worst hit on the African continent — but for vaccination drives everywhere.

South African rollout lays bare vaccine struggle in developing world

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пре 3 часа, Bernard рече

Fetal Tissue Vaccines: 12 Faulty Assumptions

Gde li samo nalaziš ovakve morone...

 

 

Цитат

 

As with the MMR¹ vaccine, the Oxford/AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine are produced in cell lines derived from abortions² — by contrast Moderna and Pfizer’s vaccines used them in testing.³

Vakcine se ne proizvode u ćelijskim linijama koje potiču iz abortusa već se adenovirus (koji se kasnije iskoristi za vakcinu) čuva i razmnožava u ćelijskim linijama.

 

 

Цитат

Flawed Foundations

The debate around the morality of fetal tissue vaccines frequently has at its heart three beliefs:

1. In receiving the vaccine we are not cooperating with past evil;
2. In receiving the vaccine we are not contributing to present or future evil;
3. There is almost no connection between the vaccine and the murdered baby.

Da... ili jednostavnije rečeno - ne postoje fetal tissue vakcine.... u vakcinama nema nikakvog tkiva fetusa, pa čak ni ćelijskih linija koje potiču iz abortiranih fetusa.

 

Цитат

These beliefs are flawed because they rest upon faulty assumptions — thus, whichever side you stand on, it’s worth considering the most common ones.

Pomenute tvrdnje se ne zasnivaju na pogrešnim pretpostavkama... zasnivaju se na tome što su u pitanju validne etičke tvrdnje (prve dve) koje nemaju nikakve veze sa pretpostavkama koje slede, a treća je tačna činjenična tvrdnja.

Prvih 6 pretpostavki nemaju nikakve veze sa iznetim tvrdnjama koje autor teksta pokušava da ospori.

Da podsetim, tvrdnje su:

1. primanjem vakcine ne sarađuješ sa ranijim zlom

2. primanjem vakcine ne doprinosiš sadašnjem i budućem zlu

3. ne postoji skoro nikakva veza između vakcine i abortiranog fetusa

Broj abortiranih fetusa, njihova starost, etičnost pristanka, stanje fetusa u momentu uzimanja ćelija, to da li su abortirani fetusi ili pobačaji i navodno saučesništvo naučnika u abortusu ne samo da nisu pretpostavke na kojima se pomenute tvrdnje zasnivaju, nego nemaju ama baš nikakve veze sa tim tvrdnjama.

Ubačene su samo da budu tmurne za čoveka i da se napumpa spisak da dođe do magičnih 12, pa ih neću pojedinačno komentarisati iako ima dosta lupetanja i unutar svake od njih.

 

 

 

Цитат

7. “No one now profits from the abortion.”

Companies who developed the cell lines continue to be rewarded by their use, including in vaccines.³⁴ Thus direct benefit accrues to agents complicit in the original murder.

 

Kompanije koje su napravile vakcine nisu napravile ove ćelijske linije....

Ćelijske linije se ne prave za vakcine već za razne oblasti medicine i farmacije...

Da nikada nismo izmislili vakcine ili da ih sve sutra zabranimo, opet bismo i dalje koristili ćelijske linije za druga istraživanja...

Dakle i ovo je niđe veze...

 

 

Цитат

8. “Vaccines don’t contain the child’s actual cells.”

Vaccines produced in cell lines contain fragments³⁵ of the child’s DNA — one study even found “a complete individual genome”³⁶ of the aborted child. The divided cells the vaccine was grown in would have been the child’s as she grew.^37,38

Ova pretpostavka nije pogrešna, nego apsolutno tačna - vakcine uopšte ne sadrže ljudske ćelije.

Objašnjenje čak i ne demantuje ovu pretpostavku, već menja tezu i sa ćelije prelazi na fragmente DNK.

Link 35 je odgovor na zabrinutost nekih da vakcine kod kojih se virus uzgaja na ćelijskim linijama mogu da sadrže fragmente ljudskog DNK i to se pominje u tom kontekstu, a ne iznosi se tvrdnja da zaista sadrže.

LINK 36 je predstavljen kao studija koja je našla kompletan genom, a u pitanju je tekst sa italijanskog antivakcerskog sajta... napisan da izgleda kao naučno istraživanje... ali je i dalje samo nepotpisan tekst sa antivakcerskog sajta koji je šatro tu nešto istraživao...

Mada ne znam što su fragmenti DNK tako bitni s obzirom da ceo DNK može da se nađe i u pljuvačci... samo ne treba to reći ovim zabrinutim ozbiljnim istraživačima koje brinu fragmenti DNK u vakcinama... izmisliće kondom za ljubljenje...

Takođe, vakcina nije uzgajana u ćelijama, već virus koji se koristi u vakcini i te ćelije ne bi postale dete i ne mogu nikad da postanu dete. Ne može od uzgajanih ćelija da nastane čovek.

 

 

Цитат

9. “No extra abortions are necessary.”

Despite claims to the contrary, normal cell strains “are in fact ‘mortal'”³⁹, bound by the “Hayflick Limit”⁴⁰ of about 50 cell divisions. Since HEK293 becomes cancerous after time,⁴¹ it will need replacing — just as other early cell strains did.⁴² The use of vaccines eventually creates a need for further abortions to replace depleting stocks.

Ako je uopšte tačno ovo o limitu za ćelijske linije, to opet ne znači da korišćenje vakcina stvara potrebu za daljim abortusima.

Abortusi se sve jedno dešavaju, ćelijske linije se sve jedno prave nevezano za abortuse, a stare ćelijske linije ne čini upotreba za vakcine nekorisnim, već postaju nekorisne ćelijskom deobom.

Prijemom vakcine ne uzrokujete nikakve buduće abortuse.

Dakle, opet niđe veze sa tri tvrdnje koje se šatro osporavaju.

 

 

 

Цитат

10. “The abortions were from decades ago.”

Though most abortions for vaccines were from before the 80’s,^43,44 time cannot make murder moral. Moreover, a new Chinese cell line, WALVAX-2 was created in 2015,⁴⁵ and as already explained, more lines will be necessary.

Okolnost da je abortus ubistvo ili da ga neko smatra ubistvom ne menja okolnost da su se predmetni abortusi desili pre više decenija. 

Walvax-2 se ne koristi za Covid vakcine.

Okolnost da će postojati ćelijske linije i u budućnosti takođe nema nikakve veze sa tri šatro sporne tvrdnje koje autor ne može da opovrgne pa priča o 12 nebitnih tvrdnji...

 

 

Цитат

11. “No further babies are suffering as a result.”

While fetal tissue vaccines are widely accepted, general fetal harvesting is legitimised and impossible to ban^46,47,48 — so it has grown instead, leading to many more babies suffering.

For example, in 1982 a container of 16,500 fetuses was found at the US home of a former laboratory owner.⁴⁹ In 2003, the Dutch company behind HEK293 sought aborted babies as far afield as New Zealand⁵⁰ and Australia.⁵¹ Journal articles discuss “the fetal tissue economy” in Britain.⁵² In 2019, 2,200 fetuses were found at an abortionists home⁵³ and the court depositions of Planned Parenthood staff⁵⁴ showed harvesting continues at scale.

Moreover, both polls^55,56,57 (and some practice⁵⁸) indicate that parents are more likely to choose abortion if “medical use” of a fetus is possible. Thus, if the option of having babies used for medical purposes was not available, less future babies would suffer and be aborted.

If even a percentage of the 2-3 billion nominal⁵⁹ pro-lifers rejected such vaccines, moral alternatives would be found and an “ethically, morally and biblically wrong”⁶⁰ industry might end.

Genijalno rešenje... umesto da smisle alternativu, ideja je da ne primamo vakcine dok se ne smisli alternativa. Sad mi je jasno što se antivakceri lože na ove budalaštine i šta stoji iza ovog kvazi-moralisanja...

Naravno, u pitanju je idiotska ideja jer bojkot vakcina ne bi ama baš ništa promenio što se tiče ćelijskih linija dobijenih iz abortusa jer se iste koriste za milion drugih stvari u nauci, medicini i farmaciji.

 

 

Цитат

12. “The ‘greater good’ outweighs concerns.”

To acquiesce with evil against an innocent unwilling victim for the sake of communal blessing enters dark waters — all historic child sacrifice is based on this premise. “However, it may then be argued that these baby body parts would otherwise be wasted, thrown away. But not only does this justify abortion, but it is pure utilitarianism, that says pretty well anything is justified as long as the end is (potentially) good. In good medical science the end does not justify the means.”⁶¹

 

Straw-men koji nema nikakve veze sa iznete tri tvrdnje.

 

 

Цитат

Conclusion

From a Judeo-Christian perspective, the God of the Old and New Testament is set apart by not asking for the firstborn of men to die that others might live — but instead by giving his own firstborn in man’s place. There seems a potential conflict between ingesting the Lord’s flesh and blood, and that of a baby’s body “broken for you” — fetal tissue vaccines perhaps possess moral taint far beyond that of meat offered to idols.

 

Zaključak

Autor teksta kreće od tri tvrdnje koje predstavljaju osnov za tezu da je u redu primanje vakcina u čijoj proizvodnji ili testiranju su korišćene ćelijske linije nekad davno abortiranih fetusa. Pošto ne može da se uhvati u koštac sa te 3 tvrdnje (jer su tačne), autor izmišlja da se one zasnivaju na 12 apostola meseci žigosanih pretpostavki koje su navodno pogrešne. Osim što baljezga u pojedinačnom razmatranju magičnih 12 znakova zodiaka pretpostavki, autor čak i ne pokušava da objasni kako su iste povezane sa prvobitne 3 tvrdnje (jer nisu).

 

 

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пре 16 часа, obi-wan рече

Nemam pojma da to uopste ima ime. 

Глед'о клип прошле године, април. Тврдили да је Трамп Q-ова десна рука и да ће крајем маја да се појави та Q особа која ће да обелодани ову белосветску ујдурму. Највероватније Кенеди млађи, има да се освети што му убили ћаћу!

После маја чекали новембар да их разбије на изборима, после новембра јануар да се обелодане лажирања избора...

Btw...

Гертове тврдње сам поделио са доктором коме заиста верујем, ради у ковид систему, прележао је корону прошле године, април. Рече да је упознат са тим мишљењем. Његов колега је направио експеримент на себи. Након прележане короне и утврђених антитела, да би проверио претпоставку да ће се антитела развијати/држати у контакту са вирусом није се вакцинисао нити претерано чувао. Повремено мерио антитела, опадала. Након 4 месеца поново се разболео, тежи облик...

2. Иста екипа, праћење заражених:

Након ревакцинације највише оболелих (иако су вакцинисани) - после Кинеза.

Ниједан случај заражавања након Фајзера и Спутњика. Нити нус-појава (ово важи за све вакцине нарочито за кинеску. Неће да штети, питање колико ће да користи. Највероватнији узрок разбољевања је нечување и контакт са ВЕЛИКОМ ДОЗОМ вируса после вакцинације, мада би онда расподела требала бити пропорционална количини датих вакцина СВАКЕ врсте, а видимо да ипак није тако).

3. Још се нисам вакцинисао, по договору са тим доктором, до априла (претпостављено трајање мог имунитета након прележане короне у новембру, а за то време су они "експериментисали" и истраживали интерно за себе, као што сам навео. Он је примио Фајзера иако га мени није препоручио - разлог је јер је млађи, као и његова евентуална путовања по ЕУ због усавршавања, суб-спец.).

4. Јасно је одавде да ћу се ових дана вакцинисати (био 31.3. и нисам могао да примим јер пијем неки бзвз антибиотик превентивно, нешто ме боцнуло у шаку), избор је Спутњик из више разлога, а путовања ми нису приоритет...

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Мала упадица - од око 140 милиона Руса, вакцинисало се само око 4%, што је, ако сам добро израчунао око 5,6 милиона људи. Сматрају да је око 70% већ било у додиру са вирусом, и готово да и нема никавих рестриција. Све ради нормално, маске се носе, али чак се и ту полако гледа кроз прсте.