Ronald Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 16 minutes ago, Paradoksologija рече Ja mislim da su mehanizmi sramoćenja tu bezveze. Mislim da bismo svi mogli da naučimo da prihvatimo interseks osobe takve kakve jesu - nismo ti i ja nešto posebni i izuzetni, stvar je proste informisanosti. I da se njima mora ostaviti sloboda da o svom telu - posebno ako je zdravo i ne izaziva nikakve konkretne fizičke probleme - odlučuju kad postanu punoletni. Ali zašto bi neko uopšte imao šta da odlučuje o životu druge osobe i kako možemo biti sigurni da možda i mi njima ne izgledalo čudno, zar ne? Znas kako se arogantni asexualci rugaju heterosexualcima koji smatraju da se samo kroz sexualne odnose moze ostvariti puna ljubav. Pitaju ih zašto prodavači i prodavačice svoga tijela nisu najvoljenije osobe na svijetu. Licemjerno, ali pogadja suštinu da se ne može na osnovu većine zaključiti šta je normalno. Paradoksologija је реаговао/ла на ово 1 http://forum.b92.net/topic/50270-naucnik-koga-ne-postuju/page-5#entry2447353 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem–Quine_thesis Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
billy2014 Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 22 hours ago, Paradoksologija рече Ne slažem se sa trendom transrodnosti koji je u porastu - i zbog kog se sve mlađa deca (odnosno, njihovi roditelji) sve lakše odlučuju na ekstremne poteze koji trajno narušavaju zdravlje jer se ne uklapaju u očekivanja društva. Kazes:'' Ne slažem se sa trendom transrodnosti koji je u porastu - i zbog kog se sve mlađa deca (odnosno, njihovi roditelji) sve lakše odlučuju na ekstremne poteze koji trajno narušavaju zdravlje jer se ne uklapaju u očekivanja društva. '' Koliko znam to je treci val feminizma, eto zato sam ja rekao ono o ''sluzenju sotoni'', vidis i sama da vas feministkinje ''gaze'' novi valovi feminizma koji pokazuju svoje pravo bezboznicnko svjetlo. Kao sto je vas feminizam iskoristio u proslim valovima, tako ce i novi valovi naci nove zrtve koje ce biti uvjerene da se bore za necija prava.... Ovo sto se sad desava upravo i jeste ono na cemu je feminizam radio od samog pocetka, a to je bespolno drustvo. Musko dijete nema oca na koga bi se mogao ugledati, posto su i majka i otac isti (nema onoga muskarac je glava zeni) dijete moze da izabere sta ce biti, isto vazi i za zensku djecu... oboje roditelja su isti i djevojcica moze da bira sta ce biti.Sve zapovijesti od Boga su s razlogom, kao npr. posuj oca i majku da ti dobro bude i da dugo pozivis na zemlji, tako i muskarac je glava zeni (i ostalo da ne pisem sad) ima svoje posljedice. 6 hours ago, Paradoksologija рече pogrešne konstrukte (dečaci koji su imali nežne majke i surove očeve koji su od njih zahtevali da budu 'pravi' muškarci imaju veće šanse da požele da postanu žene jer vide sebe kao sličnije majkama nego očevima) Kako onda objasnjavas da u vremenu kad smo izasli iz patrijarhalnosti raste trend transrtodnosti, zar onda ne bi trebao opadati? 7 hours ago, Paradoksologija рече U Iranu se homoseksualnost kažnjava smrću U Iranu se kaznjava homoseksualni cin a ne homoseksualnost. Neša_, kamila and Млађони је реаговао/ла на ово 3 Negiranjem onoga sto su apostoli govorili, odnosno govoreci da su oni govorili pod nekakvim uticajima, cini se jedan od najtezih, neoprostivih grijeha a to je hula na svetog duha. Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
Ayla Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 19 minutes ago, Paradoksologija рече Ja bih volela da bar neki od njih i ne moraju da osećaju bol. Da ih prihvatamo sa telom koje imaju i ponašanjem, preferencama, oblačenjem koje imaju. Oni koji zaista oduvek osećaju dismorfiju - patnju zbog toga što im je telo drugačije od onoga što oni veruju da bi moralo biti - bi verovatno osećali bol i u otvorenijem društvu. Ali oni koji su samo drugačiji u odnosu na očekivanja od 'svog' pola mogli bi prosto da budu to što jesu u svom telu, bez bola, bez operacija, bez osude. Znala sam djevojku, meni jako milu i posebnu, ali sam osjećala njenu tugu. Nije govorila nikada o tome, a ja i ne pitam...samo nek se kaže. Zbog sjete koju sam osjećala kad god bih bila u kontaktu sa njom, a bile smo vezane poslom koji radim, gledala sam da budem posebno pažljiva , i tolerisala sam sve promjene njenog raspoloženja. Onda je nestala. Pitala sam za njeno zdravlje, čak sam pokušavala da je nađem, ali ništa od toga bar dvije godine. Jednoga dana se pojavila kod mene, ali kao muškarac. Jedini trag one prelijepe djevojke bile su oči i predivni zubi. Kada mi je prišao, nisam pokazala sreću, kao da mi je neko ukrao...ona djevojka je pošla bez pozdrava. Osjetio je blokade i moju ljutnju , i uz najljepši osmijeh mi objasnio šta je prošao i kako se sada osjeća. Osmijeh...da, prvi put sam na tom licu vidjela osmijeh. Da li shvatam ili ne, da li podržavam li ne...ko sam ja u toj priči, i kako mogu da idem protiv osmijeha na licu? Ljude su nekada spaljivali iz straha i nerazumijevanja...sudili im i zvjerski im uzimali živote, jer su bili drugačiji od ostalih, pa bilo ljepši, mudriji, uspješniji...Sjetimo se Salema. Ne budite dio inkvizicije...ne namećite sebi teret. Možda zažalite jednoga dana kada vaše znanje pobijedi mrak u kojem se trenutno nalazite. Јелена011, Милан Ракић, Avocado and 2 осталих је реаговао/ла на ово 5 ...hanay na sahy Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
Милан Ракић Написано Јун 22, 2016 Аутор Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, Ayla рече Da li shvatam ili ne, da li podržavam li ne...ko sam ja u toj priči, i kako mogu da idem protiv osmijeha na licu? Ayla је реаговао/ла на ово 1 Тко вриједи лети, тко лети вриједи, тко не лети не вриједи... Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
Ronald Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 Problem su samo djeca jer nisu svjesna šta tačno žele, i trebala bi proći kroz dug proces psihoterapije zajedno sa roditeljima, ali to nije samo u vezi ovog pitanja kad je zadnja meta studija pokazala na 160 000 djeca da batine samo imaju negativan uticaj na dijete, okreću ih protiv roditelja, zatim ostavljaju trajne posledice na mentalne procese što je zabiljezeno i kod životinja. U Srbiji oko 80% roditelja tuče djecu, od onoga koje nazivaju malo po guzi do ozbiljnih batina. I šta bi smo trebali oduzimati djecu od ovih 80%roditelja? Mislim da je to tesko, mada prosto mi je žao kad vidim kako se pojedinci odnose prema svojoj djeci, mada su isti tiroditelj dosta slično vaspitani, treba edukacijom izvršiti jak pritisak na sve i postepeno selekcijom popravljati ljude. Zato je Akvi dobro rekao ukoliko ne prihvatimo naučni metod teško možemo znati šta je istina, pogotovo kada je u pitanju jedno od najbitnijih pitanja za drustvo, vaspitanje djece, i kad sa druge strane imamo Zorana Milivojevića koji misli da je ok malo udarati po guzi, jer Srbi ne bi trebali da postanu seka perse. Paradoksologija је реаговао/ла на ово 1 http://forum.b92.net/topic/50270-naucnik-koga-ne-postuju/page-5#entry2447353 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem–Quine_thesis Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
Vasa L. Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 Vidim da je na zapadu sada trend povratka u prvobitni pol, rod itd. posle operacije promene pola i zivota kao druga osoba, posto su ljudi uvideli da im ne ide bas lako posle promene pola, nije bas masovna pojava ali ljudi se vracaju i ponovo operisu po ko zna koji put. 1 The man who underwent sex change then went back to being a man for his dying dad “The only thing that is constant is change.” The famous verse by Heraclitus is likely the mantra of Mark Marzo, a man who underwent many big changes in his life. A self-proclaimed gay man since birth, Mark had a sex change operation to become a female. However, because of his dying father's wish to have a grandson, Mark needed to give up the "big change" and return to being male. Despite his sexual preference, Mark, the youngest of 13 kids, was his father's favorite. Growing up, Marzo was fortunate to have the acceptance of his family. After his sex change, he changed his name to Maria Corazon Marzo and got married. Then the impossible happened: Maria 's terminally-ill father requested she give him a grandchild. Surprisingly, she agreed to grant her father's wish and had a sex reversal. Now Mark again, he sought the help of Sheryl Ocampo, a friend and co-worker, who agreed to get pregnant via in vitro fertilization. In 2001, their son Andrei was born. Currently, Mark works as an area-manager of a salon in Ortigas, and is not dating anyone as he is focused on his career. (Source) 2 The transsexual woman who is demanding the NHS pay for a second sex change op because being a woman is too "exhausting" A British transsexual who had a $15,000 sex change in 2007 now deems living as a female to be too “exhausting,” and wants British taxpayers to pay roughly $22,000 to undo the original procedure. Chelsea Attonley, 30, who was born Matthew, recently told a British magazine, “I have always longed to be a woman, but no amount of surgery can give me an actual female body, and I feel like I am living a lie.” Attonley, who has started taking testosterone, said that she must have the breast implants removed, and possibly penis reconstruction surgery. She is hoping that her bill will be taken care of by the United Kingdom's National Health Service (NHS). Attonley isn't working due to the alleged stress she is under, said she would not feel bad about saddling British taxpayers with the reverse-sex change operation because she doesn't “consider it a choice,” a newspaper reported. (Source) 3 The once youngest sex swap patient in Britain who wants to reverse her sex change treatment Ria Cooper made headlines in 2011 when she became Britain's youngest sex change patient at 17, after years of begging her family and the NHS to turn her in to a girl. However, after living as a woman for less than a year, she decided to change back in to a man after suffering huge mental anguish as a woman. She cancelled the full sex change operation that was scheduled and ceased the female hormone therapy that saw her develop breasts, saying that she found the changes overwhelming and that they made her deeply unhappy. Born Brad, Ms. Cooper began dressing as a girl at 12, and at 15-years-old, begged doctors to help her become a woman. Although she underwent a thorough psychological assessment and counseling at Hull Royal Infirmary prior to starting her sex change therapy, Cooper has suffered such torment living as a woman that she has tried to commit suicide twice. (Source) 4 The newsman who switched genders and wanted to switch back just after a couple of months claiming amnesia In 2013, Don Ennis, an ABC News editor, had a sex change. Three months later, the father of three decided he wanted to change back into a man. It all started when Don Ennis showed up at work wearing a little black dress and a wig and told co-workers to call him Dawn. At the time, Ennis, a father of three, said he had an “unusual hormone imbalance” and was more comfortable living as a woman. He also changed his Facebook picture, replacing the one of himself as male to female, and tried to address any confusion he may have caused among friends and family. Soon after becoming Dawn, Ennis and his wife of 17 years separated, but three months later, Dawn showed up at work as Don again. He claimed that he had suffered from amnesia and accused his wife of dressing him in a wig and creating a fake ID card with the name “Dawn” on it. The Danbury, Connecticut journalist explained that while his memories of the last 14 years had returned, his female identity did not. A year later, Ennis returned to work as Dawn (her legal name and gender identity remained female throughout the whole ordeal) — and was, unsurprisingly, fired shortly afterward. (Source 1 | Source 2 | Source 3) 5 The man who became a woman only to reverse the operation 7 years later At 42-years-old, Walt Heyer was, by all accounts, a happily married man with two children. But it was then he decided to undergo gender reassignment surgery to become a woman - a decision he would later say had a "tremendous, destructive process" on his life. He reverted back to being a man just eight years later. Now, at 74, Walt, a Los Angeles resident, claims he should never have been allowed to have the sex change in the first place. He was delighted at being a female at first, having felt trapped in the wrong body since he was five years old. But he said these feelings of elation soon gave way to much darker feelings. Walt's genitals were removed as part of the transformation. He also received breast implants, treatment to reduce the hair on his face, and a course of estrogen hormones for as long as he remained a woman. In the mid-1980s, Walt says he came to the realization that his desire to change genders came from deep-rooted childhood trauma - rather than a genetic disorder. He claims that his gender confusion was caused simply by his environment and family relationships. But with no safe reversal procedures at the time, it was already too late. It was only after eight years and £20,000 spent, he once again became Walt Heyer. Now, through his website "Sex Change Regret," he acts as an unofficial counselor to those considering the same procedure. (Source) 6 The British tycoon and father of two who has been a man and a woman and a man again Property tycoon Charles Kane is, by any standards, a very successful man. He has a multi-million-pound property portfolio, a law degree, a £250,000, 52ft motor yacht, a top-of-the-range Mercedes and a wardrobe stuffed with designer suits. And yet, he is far from happy. Despite all these attributes, which should act as a magnet to certain women, the one thing missing from his life is a lasting and fulfilling relationship. Most of his romances end abruptly after the first date after the women learn about his "secret." Turns out that Charles is one of the few people in the UK to have undergone two sex change operations; the first to turn him into a woman and the second to turn him back into a man after he realized he'd made a horrible mistake. Born Sam Hashimi, the divorced father-of-two had a sex change in 1997 to turn him into glamorous blonde Samantha Kane. Then, in 2004, after seven years living as a woman, he decided he wanted to be a man after all. He is now in the unique position of knowing what it is like to be both a woman and a man, and he has reached the conclusion that it is much better being a man - even with the current disadvantages. Having decided he was not a true transsexual, but had been "confused" after the break-up of his 12-year marriage, Charles had his breast implants removed and underwent three private operations after being referred by the gender clinic at London's Charing Cross Hospital to reconstruct his male genitalia, using skin grafts from his stomach. Charles now believes he suffered a complete mental breakdown, during which he started to question everything, including his sexuality. (Source) 7 The former transgendered NFL cheerleader who decided to go back to being a man In 2013, Texas native Philip Porter decided to transition back to his birth sex (male) after living for 32 years as a transgender woman. Growing up in the 1970s, Porter faced skepticism and disdain from doctors and psychologists when he first showed his desired to become a woman. "Back then -- this was the '70s, we did not have Google, we did not have Internet -- it was very difficult to find, you know, a professional doctor or psychologist who could hear my story." Finally, he met a doctor in Dallas, Texas who helped him. "I was in his office the next day, an endocrinologist office the day after that, and just began my life living as a female. And did that very successfully and very happily for 32 years -- I was an NFL cheerleader and I was a topless dancer for many years." But 32 years into his life as Phoebe, Porter began to consider living as a male. So, in 2009, he stopped taking hormones and started the journey to live once again as a man. (Source 1 | Source 2 | Source 3) 8 The sports writer who went from being a male to woman and back to male before killing himself In late April 2007, sports writer Mike Penner published an article unlike any of the thousands he had written for the Los Angeles Times. Under the headline "Old Mike, new Christine," Penner explained that he would soon assume a female identity and byline. Gone was quiet, circumspect Mike Penner, replaced by ebullient, outgoing -- and instantly famous -- Christine Daniels. Celebrity meant a megaphone, and Daniels vowed to use it as an advocate. She told her story at transsexual conferences across the country, becoming a symbol of courage to a transgender community inspired by the most visible coming-out in decades. A year after the essay, the Daniels byline vanished from the newspaper, and within months Penner was back at work, living as a man and writing under his male name. Once so vocal about the reasons for becoming Christine, Penner was silent about the reasons for abandoning the identity. One year after that, he killed himself. His suicide is believed to be based on issues not addressed during transition that were compounded after the choice to detransitio http://www.oddee.com/item_99220.aspx Млађони је реаговао/ла на ово 1 Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
Paradoksologija Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 18 minutes ago, billy2014 рече Kazes:'' Ne slažem se sa trendom transrodnosti koji je u porastu - i zbog kog se sve mlađa deca (odnosno, njihovi roditelji) sve lakše odlučuju na ekstremne poteze koji trajno narušavaju zdravlje jer se ne uklapaju u očekivanja društva. '' Koliko znam to je treci val feminizma, eto zato sam ja rekao ono o ''sluzenju sotoni'', vidis i sama da vas feministkinje ''gaze'' novi valovi feminizma koji pokazuju svoje pravo bezboznicnko svjetlo. Kao sto je vas feminizam iskoristio u proslim valovima, tako ce i novi valovi naci nove zrtve koje ce biti uvjerene da se bore za necija prava.... Ovo sto se sad desava upravo i jeste ono na cemu je feminizam radio od samog pocetka, a to je bespolno drustvo. Musko dijete nema oca na koga bi se mogao ugledati, posto su i majka i otac isti (nema onoga muskarac je glava zeni) dijete moze da izabere sta ce biti, isto vazi i za zensku djecu... oboje roditelja su isti i djevojcica moze da bira sta ce biti.Sve zapovijesti od Boga su s razlogom, kao npr. posuj oca i majku da ti dobro bude i da dugo pozivis na zemlji, tako i muskarac je glava zeni (i ostalo da ne pisem sad) ima svoje posljedice. Kako onda objasnjavas da u vremenu kad smo izasli iz patrijarhalnosti raste trend transrtodnosti, zar onda ne bi trebao opadati? U Iranu se kaznjava homoseksualni cin a ne homoseksualnost. Starije feministkinje smatraju novi talas feminizma podilaženjem patrijarhatu - a ne znam ko zaista smatra da smo iz njega izašli. Patrijarhat 2.0 se modernizovao, ali je jači nego kad sam ja rasla, a rodne uloge u nekim domenima rigidnije. Ronald је реаговао/ла на ово 1 Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds. Shakespeare Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
Лапис Лазули Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 39 minutes ago, Млађони рече Gledam momke mojih godina koji se vec par godna u nazad opjaju svako vece, jos im nije ni 30ta. To su buduci kriminalci, nasilnici, kockari, depresivci, samoubice. Medjutim mi ovde pricamo o jednom majoru koji je odsekao pisu u 42 godine. Imamo i hiljade devojcica trudnih koje cekaju abortuse,ko zna koliko samohranih majki mladih bez smestaja posla zdravstvene zastite.Imamo bolesne dece za koju drzava nece dinar da da nego se skuplja prilog preko sms.Svratiste za decu koja nisu cak ni upisana nigde kao rodjena pravno ne postoje i nemaju nikakvu sansu za zivot od rodjenja a tu su zivi su gladni neobuceni neobrazovani potreseni istraumirani razocarani odbaceni... I ko zna sta jos sve imamo... -Владимир- and kamila је реаговао/ла на ово 2 Follow your bliss and the universe will open doors where there were only walls. Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
-Владимир- Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 46 minutes ago, Arsenija рече P.s. Nije vise Major , nego Majorica ... Мајорка ... Paradoksologija and Juanito је реаговао/ла на ово 2 Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
-Владимир- Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 1 minute ago, *Jелена* рече I ko zna sta jos sve imamo... Ми смо богата земља. АлександраВ је реаговао/ла на ово 1 Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
zuti car Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 More to sve postreljati , pedere ,lezbejke , te zbunjene sto ne znaju sta su , hermafrodite , sta ima da unose zabunu u narod i sablaznjavaju posten i normalan svet . More sve koji seks upraznjavaju bilo kako drugacije od misionarske poze i cesce od jednom godisnje i to samo u cilju produzenja vrste i to postreljati , kakav je bre to nacin ,ko bre sme da uziva u seksu . I sve one koji imaju neku manu , fizicku ili psihicku , to sve po kratkom postupku , dokle ce vise bogalji i degenerici da budu pred ocima normalnih, dokle bre vise ti i takvi izrodi , svi na gomlu da sablaznjavaju postene i mirne hriscane. Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
Vasa L. Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 Za mene je ovo vrhunski egoizam, inace majorka Helena ima troje cetvoro dece iz braka koja se nigde ne spominju i kojima je napravio pakao od zivota billy2014 and Bokisha је реаговао/ла на ово 2 Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
billy2014 Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 13 minutes ago, Paradoksologija рече Starije feministkinje smatraju novi talas feminizma podilaženjem patrijarhatu - a ne znam ko zaista smatra da smo iz njega izašli. Patrijarhat 2.0 se modernizovao, ali je jači nego kad sam ja rasla, a rodne uloge u nekim domenima rigidnije. Ti si skoro napisala da smo izasli iz patrijarhata. Ta transrodnost i jeste najveca tamo gdje je patrijarhat nestao, ako ima nekakva statistika uvjeren sam da bi pokazala da je broj ovakvih kao ovaj major najveci u zemljama gdje je patrijarhat ''unisten'', gjde nema ni muskarca ni zene. kamila and Neša_ је реаговао/ла на ово 2 Negiranjem onoga sto su apostoli govorili, odnosno govoreci da su oni govorili pod nekakvim uticajima, cini se jedan od najtezih, neoprostivih grijeha a to je hula na svetog duha. Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
Ronald Написано Јун 22, 2016 Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 1 hour ago, billy2014 рече To ti je od GMO hrane Kad spomenu GMO evo meta studije najvećeg kvaliteta koja nam kaže da GMO nema nikakav negativan efekat na ljude i zivotinje: http://nas-sites.org/ge-crops/ Na našem jeziku lijepo objašnjeno, Cloud voli ovo: https://gmorecnauke.wordpress.com/ http://forum.b92.net/topic/50270-naucnik-koga-ne-postuju/page-5#entry2447353 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duhem–Quine_thesis Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
Милан Ракић Написано Јун 22, 2016 Аутор Пријави Подели Написано Јун 22, 2016 19 minutes ago, Vasa L. рече Za mene je ovo vrhunski egoizam, inace majorka Helena ima troje cetvoro dece iz braka koja se nigde ne spominju i kojima je napravio pakao od zivota Није истина да се не спомињу! Paradoksologija је реаговао/ла на ово 1 Тко вриједи лети, тко лети вриједи, тко не лети не вриједи... Link to comment Подели на овим сајтовима More sharing options...
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