Ватикан и холокауст

[Zawisza]

Ha ha ha! 

 

Srpski patrijarh je bio u Dahauu, a rimokatolicki papa je pomagao nacistima.

 

Toiko.

Svi polski sveštenici sa biskupima su bili u Dahau, pa kako im papa ne pomože.

[DYNABLASTER]

Ja jedino s čim se zatim još ovdje suočavam su ovakve stvari koje vidim da su svakako najegzaktnijim produktom čistih i nepristranih pomno provedenih istorijskih istraživanja i analiza golih fakata, kako bi to inače i moglo biti drugačije. A i rječnik je sasvim stručan, predmetan i istorijski a na sasvim uobičajenom nivou za istorijsku faktografsku literaturu : 

 

Данас се покатоличени Срби ревносно клањају једном Степинцу, или Мерцу, кољачима српског народа.

 

То дугујемо жртвама, а било их је преко милион и триста хиљада ,,,

 

... под командом Анте Павелића, Ивана Мерца, Алојза Степинца и многих других усташких злочинаца!

 

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Znas i sam da su velik deo istorije pisali lazovi, znaci pre ces verovati lazovima nego ljudima koji svedoce?

Al ti je briselska logikaaaaaa.... bolje cutati nego pravdati halabukom sto se opravdati ne moze

[Јанко]

И даље од Зајрона ни реч о (не)часним сестрама из Јастребарског.

Конкретни догађаји и имена већ другог сведока.

Обећао си нам деманти на (по твојим речима) све измишљене наводе и приче за конкретна имена ако их дамо.

Куд ћеш конкретније питање од овога.

П.С. Шта кажу канони КЦ о покрштавању деце из православља (за које се зна или не зна да ли су крштени у ПЦ. Са колико година се деца без родитеља друге вере могу крстити. И треба ли већ крштене поново крстити-признаје ли КЦ крштење деце у ПЦ)?  Масовно покрштавање малолетних?

[Zayron]

Sve o Hitlerovom papi

 

Sve o Mitu o Hitlerovom papi: 

 

http://bit.ly/iCWVPD

[Zayron]

Još jednom ponovo:

 

Već sam vam postavio i video i tekstove iz kojih se vidi da je priča o odgovornosti Vatikana za holokaust najibičnija propagandna megalaž koja nikakve veze nema s dokumentima, ni s istorijom, ni s činjenicama a ni sa stvarnošću, mogu vam samo ponovo postavit sve to, vaš problem ako vam se video ne gleda a knjiga ne čita zato što ne želite čuti istinu. Vi ste kao čovjek koji čepi uši ili oči rukama i viče. pustite me više, ja neću da čujem ili da vidim tu istinu! A ovdje je riječ o istorisjkim faktima a ne o nekakvim tendencioznim propagandističkim videima namontarinih ko zna kim i ko zna kako od svega mogućeg kao kolaž. 

 

Ako tamo piše. 

 

The Myth of Hitler's Pope

 

to onda znači da je knjiga napisana zato kako bi se MIT o navodnoj povezanosti Vatikana s nacizmom i odgovornosti za holokaust srušio istorijskim dokazima i činjenicama ili što bismo rekli "golim faktima" što je ustvari glavni zadatak i smisao te knjige a napisao ju je poznati i priznati jevrejski univerzitetski profesor istorije i rabin istovremeno, sa Stanforda i Princetona a ne nekakav nadobudni "youtuber". Ako tome ne razumijete onda vam ja ne mogu pomoći, ako ne znate engleski nađite prevod na srpski ili jezik koji znate ili zamolite nekog da vam ti knjigu prevede. Dalje vam ja nažalost ne mogu s tim više pomoći.

 

 

Catholic Church Against Hitler and Nazism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svKW5GKA5xE

Video on You Tube: http://bit.ly/129loBI

Anti-Jesuitism played an important part in the Kulturkampf, culminating in the Jesuit Law of 1872, endorsed by Otto von Bismarck which required Jesuits to dissolve their houses in Germany, forbade members from exercising most of their religious functions, and allowed the authorities to deny residency to individual members of the order. Some of the law's provision were removed in 1904, but it was only repealed in 1917. In the 1930's, JESUIT CONSPIRACY THEORIES WERE MADE USE BY THE NAZI REGIME with the goal of reducing the influence of the Jesuits, who ran secondary schools and engaged in youth work. A propoganda pamphlet,, "The Jesuit: The Obscurantist without a Homeland" by Hubert Hermanns, warned against the Jesuits "dark power" and "mysterious intention". 

Declared "public vermin" [Volksschadlinge] by the Nazis, Jesuits were persecuted and murdered. During the 2nd World War, Henry De Lubac SJ, one of the most influential theologians of the 20th century, joined a movement of "spiritual resistance", assisting in the publication of an underground journal of Nazi resistance called Temoinage Chretien, or Christian Witness. It was intended to show the incompatibility of Christian belief with the philosophy and activities of the Nazi regime. In General Ludendorfs book "Das Geheimnis Der Jesuitenmacht Und Ihr Ende" he proclaimed that the Jesuits are controlled by the Jews.

On April 28, 1935, four years before the war started, Eugenio Pacelli (the future Pius XII) caught the attention of the world press. Speaking to an audience of 250,000 pilgrims in Lourdes, France, Pacelli stated that the Nazis "are in reality only miserable plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the world and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a race and blood cult." It was talks like this—in addition to his private remarks and numerous notes of protest that he sent to Berlin as Vatican secretary of state—that earned Pacelli a reputation as an enemy of the Nazi party.

 

The Myth of Hitler\'s Pope:

How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis

 

 

Book Discussion on The Myth of Hitler\'s Pope:

How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis

Aug 2, 2005

 

Rabbi David Dalin talked about his book The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis, published by Regnery. He writes that Pope Pius XII was not complicit with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party, as some historians contend. Rabbi Dalin examines the actions of Pope Pius XII and also traces the actions of the Catholic Church during the late 1930s and through World War II. The author writes that Pope Pius XII was not an anti-Semite and that the Catholic Church did more than any other religion to save the lives of European Jews during the Holocaust. At the same time the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, became Hitler’s staunch ally and a promoter of the Holocaust, with a legacy that feeds radical Islam today. After his presentation, Rabbi Dalin answered questions from members of the audience.

AUDIO Discussion: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/188344-1

 

The Myth of Hitler's Pope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Hitler's_Pope

 

The Myth of Hitler's Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis

is a book written by American historian and Rabbi David G. Dalin

and published in 2005 by Regnery Publishing.

 

 

http://www.bacroads.com/index.php/2011/10/rabbidalin/

[Zayron]

'Pope Pius XII saved thousands of Jews'

 

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reports.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/pope-pius-xii-saved-thousands-of-jews-1.300589

[Zayron]

Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust: Yad Vashem Memorial makes changes in exhibit

Pius XII did many things as Pope. But, his legacy has mainly

revolved on what he did or didn't do during the Holocaust.

[DYNABLASTER]

A sad sam tek shvatio sta je stobom, pa ti si naivan.

[Zayron]

Exploding the "Hitler's Pope" myth

 

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/gaynor/050730

[Zayron]

Vatican hopes secret files exonerate 'Hitler's pope'

Author uncovers evidence on Pius XII's wartime efforts to save Jewish refugees

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/09/hitlers-pope-pius-xii-holocaust

[Zayron]

Pope Francis may finally open files on ‘Hitler’s Pope,’

 

says Pontiff’s long-time friend

 

http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/04/19/pope-francis-to-open-the-file-on-hitlers-pope/

[Zayron]

The Pope's Jews: The Vatican's Secret Plan to Save Jews from the Nazis

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0312604211/?tag=theanchoress-20

 

Gordon Thomas, a Protestant, was given access to previously unpublished Vatican documents and tracked down victims, priests and others who had not told their stories before.

The Pope’s Jews. . . details how Pius gave his blessing to the establishment of safe houses in the Vatican and Europe’s convents and monasteries. He oversaw a secret operation with code names and fake documents for priests who risked their lives to shelter Jews, some of whom were even made Vatican subjects.

Thomas shows, for example, that priests were instructed to issue baptism certificates to hundreds of Jews hidden in Genoa, Rome and elsewhere in Italy. More than 2,000 Jews in Hungary were given fabricated Vatican documents identifying them as Catholics and a network saved German Jews by bringing them to Rome. The pope appointed a priest with extensive funds with which to provide food, clothing and medicine. More than 4,000 Jews were hidden in convents and monasteries across Italy.

During and immediately after the war, the pope was considered a Jewish saviour. Jewish leaders – such as Jerusalem’s chief rabbi in 1944 – said the people of Israel would never forget what he and his delegates “are doing for our unfortunate brothers and sisters at the most tragic hour”. Jewish newspapers in Britain and America echoed that praise, and Hitler branded him “a Jew lover”.

However, his image turned sour in the 1960s, thanks to Soviet antagonism towards the Vatican and a German play by Rolf Hochhuth, The Deputy, which vilified the pope, accusing him of silence and inaction over the Jews. It was a trend that intensified with the publication of Hitler’s Pope, a book by John Cornwell.

However, as the Vatican’s secretary of state before the war, the future pope contributed to the damning 1937 encyclical of Pius XI, With Burning Anxiety, and, as Pius XII he made condemnatory speeches that were widely interpreted at the time – including by Jewish leaders and newspapers – as clear condemnations of Hitler’s racial policies. Due to the Vatican’s traditionally diplomatic language, the accusation that Pius XII did not speak out has festered.

Professor Ronald J Rychlak, the author of Hitler, the War and the Pope, said: “Gordon Thomas has found primary sources … He has tracked down family members, original documentation and established what really was a universal perception prior to the 1960s. He’s shown what the people at the time – victims, rescuers and villains – all knew: that Pius XII was a great supporter of the victims of the Holocaust.”

Asked why the Vatican had not made the new material available until now or, where stories were known, disseminated them more widely,Thomas said: “The church thinks across centuries. If there’s a dispute for 50 years, so what?”

[Јанко]

"...a close friend of Pope Francis suggested the Pontiff may open the Vatican archives."

 

Бата Зајроне, само се у политичким непоштеним играријама где се раде нечасне радње затварају досијеа на одређени број деценија (најчешће да би актери умрли, а ми да будемо накнадно "објективни", а можда и да се у међувремену изгубе ако се укаже прилика, неки пожарчић или крађа или слично), ово је далеко од сведочења истине једне Цркве у историји. Црква после деценија одбијања можда отвара тајна досијеа-како духовно..."suspicions have only been strengthened by the Vatican’s refusal so far to give scholars access to the archives from his reign."

П.С. Цитати из твог изворника.

П.П.С. И даље се и у КЦ полемише о његовој улози, далеко од тога да је то решено. "It’s a terribly sensitive issue, but he says that it must be investigated thoroughly"

[Zayron]

"...a close friend of Pope Francis suggested the Pontiff may open the Vatican archives."

 

Бата Зајроне, само се у политичким непоштеним играријама где се раде нечасне радње затварају досијеа на одређени број деценија (најчешће да би актери умрли, а ми да будемо накнадно "објективни", а можда и да се у међувремену изгубе ако се укаже прилика, неки пожарчић или крађа или слично), ово је далеко од сведочења истине једне Цркве у историји. Црква после деценија одбијања можда отвара тајна досијеа-како духовно..."suspicions have only been strengthened by the Vatican’s refusal so far to give scholars access to the archives from his reign."

П.С. Цитати из твог изворника.

П.П.С. И даље се и у КЦ полемише о његовој улози, далеко од тога да је то решено. "It’s a terribly sensitive issue, but he says that it must be investigated thoroughly"

 

Samo ponavljate te iste besmislene i zajedljive zlonamjerne domišljaje i subjektivne opservacije.

[Zayron]

"...a close friend of Pope Francis suggested the Pontiff may open the Vatican archives."

 

Бата Зајроне, само се у политичким непоштеним играријама где се раде нечасне радње затварају досијеа на одређени број деценија (најчешће да би актери умрли, а ми да будемо накнадно "објективни", а можда и да се у међувремену изгубе ако се укаже прилика, неки пожарчић или крађа или слично), ово је далеко од сведочења истине једне Цркве у историји. Црква после деценија одбијања можда отвара тајна досијеа-како духовно..."suspicions have only been strengthened by the Vatican’s refusal so far to give scholars access to the archives from his reign."

П.С. Цитати из твог изворника.

П.П.С. И даље се и у КЦ полемише о његовој улози, далеко од тога да је то решено. "It’s a terribly sensitive issue, but he says that it must be investigated thoroughly"

 

Vidim da vam je stalo samo do zajedljivijih komentara i zlonamjernih praznoslovnih prepucavanja a ne do nikakvih činjenica, i traženja istine pa zabavljajte se onda, zanimljivo vidjet kako male stvari nekog čine srećnim!