Ватикан и холокауст

[Zayron]

Zalosno je sto se pravoslavni nikada nisu suocili sa problemom nacizma u svojim redovima.

 

 

Nikada za vrijeme 2ww nijedani jedan katolički biskup, kardinal a ni papa nije pružio ili dao podršku Adolfu Hitleru imenom Katoličke Crkve kao što je to učinio ovaj visoki crkveni velikodostojnik RPC mitropolit Sergej Voskresenskij i to tačno u vrijeme najžešćih borbi pod Staljingradom 03.12.1942. i to imenom Ruske Pravoslavne Crkve! Pozabavite se i vi, imate sad i s čim! Besposlica nije dobra. Imate sasvim dosta stvari s kojima bi se posuočavat mogli i trebali. A vojnici za koje je on molio da im Bog da pobjedu bili su i ustaše pod Staljingradom.

[DYNABLASTER]

Zalosno je sto se rimokatolici nikada nisu suocili sa problemom nacizma u svojim redovima.

 

 

Oce da preskoce sopstvenu senku.

[Zayron]

Oce da preskoce sopstvenu senku.

 

pa šta bi mi preskakali onda, vidiš da su prema i ovom mitropolitu Voskresenjskom nackovi, švabe i ustaše sasvim ok

[DYNABLASTER]

Ja sam te vec pitao za dokaze o tome kakav pokolj su oni uradili...

 

Pricamo o konkretnim licima koja su dala nalog pa sve do lica koje je izvrsilo zlocin, u mojim ocima svi su jednako odgovorni.

[Zayron]

Ja sam te vec pitao za dokaze o tome kakav pokolj su oni uradili...

 

Pricamo o konkretnim licima koja su dala nalog pa sve do lica koje je izvrsilo zlocin, u mojim ocima svi su jednako odgovorni.

 

pa ja ne razumijem uopšte šta sad hoćeš s tim reći o tim nekakvim odgovornostima, već sam ti postavio stvari iz kojih se vidi da Vatikan NIKADA ništa s bilo kakvim holokaustima nije imao osim što je protiv bilo kakvih holokausta bio i radio sve na tome da ih spriječi, a na toj drugoj temi koju otvorim vam pokažem to detaljno kad b stignem, materijala je vrlo mnogo, ni ja nisam očekivao da će ga biti toliko, vrlo sam iznenađern tim koliko ga je, ne bavim se tim stvarima, ne pratim ih pa ni ne znam, treba ga pripremit.

[Raymond Red Reddington]

Zalosno je sto se rimokatolici nikada nisu suocili sa problemom nacizma u svojim redovima.

 

I sada se vidi koliko je zapravo velika slicnost izmedju totalitarizma Hitlera i totalitarizma Vatikana.

Cijeniš da nema među pravoslavcima nacista?

hrvate i njihove užasne zločine nad Srbima nema potrebe upoređivati sa RKC u cijelini.

[DYNABLASTER]

pa ja ne razumijem uopšte šta sad hoćeš s tim reći o tim nekakvim odgovornostima, već sam ti postavio stvari iz kojih se vidi da Vatikan NIKADA ništa s bilo kakvim holokaustima nije imao osim što je protiv bilo kakvih holokausta bio i radio sve na tome da ih spriječi, a na toj drugoj temi koju otvorim vam pokažem to detaljno kad b stignem, materijala je vrlo mnogo, ni ja nisam očekivao da će ga biti toliko, vrlo sam iznenađern tim koliko ga je, ne bavim se tim stvarima, ne pratim ih pa ni ne znam, treba ga pripremit.

Pa mozda nije imao oficielno, ali mnogi clanovi su jos kako imali i ne znam sad dal su platili otkup greha u srebru ili zlatu...

 

A ova tema se ponavlja vec n-ti put, i uvek istu pricu teras, moze covek da ti dovede svedoke pa bi opet nastavio svoju pricu...

[Zayron]

Već sam vam postavio i video i tekstove iz kojih se vidi da je priča o odgovornosti Vatikana za holokaust najibičnija propagandna megalaž koja nikakve veze nema s dokkimentima, ni s ustorijom, ni s činjenicama a ni sa stvarnošći, mogu vam samo ponovo postavit sve to, vaš problem ako vam se video ne gleda a knjiga ne čita zato što ne želite čutu ustinu. Vi ste kao čovjek koji čepi uši ili oči rukama i viče. pustite me više, ja neću da čujem ili gledam tu istinu! A ovdje je riječ o istorisjkim faktima a ne o nekakvim tendencioznim propagandističkim videima namontarinih ko zna kim i ko zna kako od svega mogićeg ko kolaž. 

 

Ako tamo piše. 

 

The Myth of Hitler's Pope

 

to onda znači da je knjiga napisana zato kako bi se MIT o navodnoj povezanosti Vatikana s nacizmom i odgovornosti za holokaust srušio istorijskim dokazima i činjenicama ili što bismo rekli "golim faktima" što je ustvari glavni zadatak i smisao te knjige a napisao ju je poznati i priznati jevrejski univerzitetski profesor istorije i rabin istovremeno, sa Stanforda a ne nekakav nadobudni "youtuber". Ako tome ne razumijete onda vam ja ne mogi pomoći, ako ne znate engleski nađite prevod na srpski ili jezik koji znate ili zamolite nekog da vam ti knjigu prevede. Dalje vam ja nažalost ne mogu u s tim više pomoći.

 

 

Catholic Church Against Hitler and Nazism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svKW5GKA5xE

Video on You Tube: http://bit.ly/129loBI

Anti-Jesuitism played an important part in the Kulturkampf, culminating in the Jesuit Law of 1872, endorsed by Otto von Bismarck which required Jesuits to dissolve their houses in Germany, forbade members from exercising most of their religious functions, and allowed the authorities to deny residency to individual members of the order. Some of the law's provision were removed in 1904, but it was only repealed in 1917. In the 1930's, JESUIT CONSPIRACY THEORIES WERE MADE USE BY THE NAZI REGIME with the goal of reducing the influence of the Jesuits, who ran secondary schools and engaged in youth work. A propoganda pamphlet,, "The Jesuit: The Obscurantist without a Homeland" by Hubert Hermanns, warned against the Jesuits "dark power" and "mysterious intention". 

Declared "public vermin" [Volksschadlinge] by the Nazis, Jesuits were persecuted and murdered. During the 2nd World War, Henry De Lubac SJ, one of the most influential theologians of the 20th century, joined a movement of "spiritual resistance", assisting in the publication of an underground journal of Nazi resistance called Temoinage Chretien, or Christian Witness. It was intended to show the incompatibility of Christian belief with the philosophy and activities of the Nazi regime. In General Ludendorfs book "Das Geheimnis Der Jesuitenmacht Und Ihr Ende" he proclaimed that the Jesuits are controlled by the Jews.

On April 28, 1935, four years before the war started, Eugenio Pacelli (the future Pius XII) caught the attention of the world press. Speaking to an audience of 250,000 pilgrims in Lourdes, France, Pacelli stated that the Nazis "are in reality only miserable plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the world and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a race and blood cult." It was talks like this—in addition to his private remarks and numerous notes of protest that he sent to Berlin as Vatican secretary of state—that earned Pacelli a reputation as an enemy of the Nazi party.

 

The Myth of Hitler\'s Pope:

How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis

 

 

Book Discussion on The Myth of Hitler\'s Pope:

How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis

Aug 2, 2005

 

Rabbi David Dalin talked about his book The Myth of Hitler’s Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis, published by Regnery. He writes that Pope Pius XII was not complicit with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party, as some historians contend. Rabbi Dalin examines the actions of Pope Pius XII and also traces the actions of the Catholic Church during the late 1930s and through World War II. The author writes that Pope Pius XII was not an anti-Semite and that the Catholic Church did more than any other religion to save the lives of European Jews during the Holocaust. At the same time the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, became Hitler’s staunch ally and a promoter of the Holocaust, with a legacy that feeds radical Islam today. After his presentation, Rabbi Dalin answered questions from members of the audience.

AUDIO Discussion: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/188344-1

 

The Myth of Hitler's Pope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Hitler's_Pope

 

The Myth of Hitler's Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis

is a book written by American historian and Rabbi David G. Dalin

and published in 2005 by Regnery Publishing.

 

 

http://www.bacroads.com/index.php/2011/10/rabbidalin/

[DYNABLASTER]

"Чувајте се лажних пророка, који вам долазе у овчијем руху, а изнутра су грабљиви вуци.

По плодовима њиховим познаћете их.

Зар се грожђе бере с трња или смокве са чкаља? Тако свако добро дрво рађа добре плодове, а рђаво дрво доноси рђаве плодове. Не може добро дрво донети рђаве плодове, нити рђаво дрво донети добре плодове. Свако дрво, које не рађа добра плода, сече се и у ватру баца. Дакле по плодовима њиховим познаћете их.

"

 

–

Еванђеље по Матеју

, 7:15-20 (превод Емилијана Чарнића)

 

http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B0_%D0%BE_%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%83_%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0

[marko_13]

Rimokatolici su inspiratori holokausta u II Svetskom ratu.

[marko_13]

Nadam se da ce se Vatikan osloboditi tog gadnog nasledja.

[Zayron]

 

 

"Чувајте се лажних пророка, који вам долазе у овчијем руху, а изнутра су грабљиви вуци. По плодовима њиховим познаћете их. Зар се грожђе бере с трња или смокве са чкаља? Тако свако добро дрво рађа добре плодове, а рђаво дрво доноси рђаве плодове. Не може добро дрво донети рђаве плодове, нити рђаво дрво донети добре плодове. Свако дрво, које не рађа добра плода, сече се и у ватру баца. Дакле по плодовима њиховим познаћете их."

 

– Еванђеље по Матеју, 7:15-20 (превод Емилијана Чарнића)

 

Pogledaj, tema je Vatikan i holokaust, ko je sad tu taj lažni prorok, taj rabin i profesor istorije koji piše istinu ili nadobudni mržnjom zadojeni youtuberi koji šire laži? Ja ako bih se morao odlučiti između njega i njih onda svakako za njega a za koga ti? Za širitelje laži i mržnje a ne za tražioca istine u pomirenja?

 

 

 

David G. Dalin, an American Conservative rabbi and historian, is the author, co-author, or editor of ten books on American Jewish history and politics, and Jewish-Christian relations. He is currently a professor of history and politics at Ave Maria University, in Florida. He was previously an associate professor of American Jewish history at the University of Hartford, a visiting professor at the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, and the Taube Research Fellow in American History at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. During the 2002-2003 academic year, Dalin was a visiting fellow at the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University.

Dalin's numerous articles and book reviews have appeared in American Jewish History, Commentary, First Things, The Weekly Standard, and the American Jewish Year Book. He has served as a member of the Editorial and Advisory Board of the journal First Things, of the Editorial Board of the journal Conservative Judaism, and a member of the Academic Advisory Council of the American Jewish Historical Society.

Dalin's book Religion and State in the American Jewish Experience (co-authored with Professor Jonathan D. Sarna of Brandeis University), published by the University of Notre Dame Press in 1997, was selected by Choice Magazine as an Outstanding Academic Book of 1998.

Dalin received a B.A. from the University of California at Berkeley, where he was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, an M.A. and Ph.D. from Brandeis University, and a second M.A. and rabbinic ordination from the Jewish Theological Seminary of America.

 

A ovo su njegove knjige, koju si ti NAUČNO-ISTORIJSKU knjigu zasnovanu na faktima i dokumentima napisao o tom problemu i na temu Vatikan i holokaust?

 

 

Books[edit]

From Marxism to Judaism: Selected Essays of Will Herberg (1989) editor

American Jews and the Separationist Faith: A New Debate on Religion in Public Life (1992) editor

Making a Life, Building a Community: A History of the Jews of Hartford (1997) with Jonathan Rosenbaum

Religion and State in the American Jewish Experience (1997), with Jonathan D. Sarna

Secularism, Spirituality, and the Future of American Jewry (1999) editor with Elliott Abrams

The Presidents of the United States and the Jews (2000) with Alfred J. Kolatch

The Pius War : Responses to the Critics of Pius XII (2004) with Joseph Bottum

The Myth of Hitler's Pope: How Pope Pius XII Rescued Jews from the Nazis (2005)

Icon of Evil Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam (2008) with John Rothmann

John Paul II and the Jewish People: A Jewish-Christian Dialogue (2008), editor with Matthew Levering.

[Zawisza]

Rimokatolici su inspiratori holokausta u II Svetskom ratu.

Da i onda su par miliona Poljaka rimokatolika kolektivo izvršila samoubistvo po logorima širom Poljske.

 

Omalovažavanje naših žrtava i holkausta koji je učinjen u Poljskoj a koje je naročito agresivno od strane Nemačke u zadnjih par godina vidim da ima efekta i kod pojedinih Srba.

 

Inače još nismo počeli da eshumiramo po Ukrajini a u Smolenskom se samo delić započeo...

[marko_13]

Vatikan je direktno ucestvovao u sklanjanju nacistickih zlocinaca i tako nastavio stradanje nevinih i nakon II Svetskog rata.

 

Pomogao je pri bezanju svih najznacajnijih glavesina ustaskog rezima u NDH. I nikada se za to nije izvinio.

[Zawisza]

Vatikan je direktno ucestvovao u sklanjanju nacistickih zlocinaca i tako nastavio stradanje nevinih i nakon II Svetskog rata.

 

Pomogao je pri bezanju svih najznacajnijih glavesina ustaskog rezima u NDH. I nikada se za to nije izvinio.

Stvarno si toliko najvan da misliš da je Vatikan mogao da napravi pacovske kanale sam.