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Kada dokazete suprotno mozemo nastaviti diskusiju.

 

Za sada Hitlerov papa stoji kao jedan od indirektnih zlocinaca Drugog svetskog rata i saradnik nacista, fasista i ustasa.

 

ja sam to dokazao, ako ne znaš engleski mauči ga, upotrebi Google ili zamoli nekog da ti prevede šta tamo piše. A nastavimo kad se uozbiljite i naučite engleski.

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Дакле, и Ви се слажете да је Хитлеров папа злочинац и помагач холокауста?

 

То је освежавајуће чути од римокатолика.

Призван или не, Бог је увек ту

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Дакле, и Ви се слажете да је Хитлеров папа злочинац и помагач холокауста?

 

То је освежавајуће чути од римокатолика.

 

Pitaon si me ovo: 

 

Kada dokazete suprotno mozemo nastaviti diskusiju.

 

A ja sam to suprptno već pokazao i dokazao. Druga je stvar što to nisi primjetio, mrsko ti bilo to čitat recimo, šta ja znam, uostalom nije to moja briga a ni problem hoće li se to tebi ili bilo kome drugom čitati ili neće. Ima li još kakvih pitanja?

 

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Супротно није доказано, већ сте се Ви сложили да је Хитлеров папа злочинац и помагач холокауста.

 

da jeste isto tioliko koliko su i svi pravoslavni patrijarsi zločinci i pomagači holokausta, tačno tako i toliko.

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Pojedinci katolički, protestantski ili pravoslavni, klirici ili mirjani, mogli su učiniti ne znam šta a svi su to učinili samo u svoje lično ime i nikakva Crkva ne može imati nikakvu direktnu odgovornost osim one moralne da se izvine ili ispriča drugima za ponašanje svojih članova svejedno sasvim da li vjernika i mirjana, klirika ili arhijereja a što je Katolička Ctkva učinila več više puta. Jel sad to jasnije? 

 

 

A o papi Piu XII sam već dokazao da jnešto kao Hitlerov papa ne postoji i da je to običan propagandni MIT, laž i kleveta. I da je stvarnost ustvari sasvom suprotna, ne da nije sarađivao s nacistima već je pomagao Židovima i svima drugima koji su nacistima bili proganjani.

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Ha ha ha! 

 

Srpski patrijarh je bio u Dahauu, a rimokatolicki papa je pomagao nacistima.

 

Toiko.

 

Oba su pomagali nacistima isto - NIKAKO i oba su zločinci isto - NIKAKO! To o čemu pričaš su obične laži i izmišljotine a to sam već pokazao i dokazao.

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Ha ha ha! 

 

Srpski patrijarh je bio u Dahauu, a rimokatolicki papa je pomagao nacistima.

 

Toiko.

 

I minhenski vikarni biskup Dr. Johannes Neuhäusler i još nekoliko drugih biskupa je bilo u Dahau, čak i poljski kardinal Adam Kozlowiecki a pored njega još preko 2500 katoličkih sveštenika od kojih je više od pola u Dahau ubijeno.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_Barracks_of_Dachau_Concentration_Camp

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/DachauLife3.html

 

Patriarch Gavrilo V of the Serbian Orthodox Church, imprisoned in Dachau from September to December 1944

a number of the Polish 108 Martyrs of World War II:

Father Jean Bernard (1907–1994), Roman Catholic priest from Luxembourg who was imprisoned from May 1941 to August 1942. He wrote the book Pfarrerblock 25487 about his experiences in Dachau

Blessed Titus Brandsma, Dutch Carmelite priest and professor of philosophy, died 26 July 1942

Norbert Čapek (1870–1942) founder of the Unitarian Church in the Czech Republic

Blessed Stefan Wincenty Frelichowski, Polish Roman Catholic priest, died 23 February 1945

August Froehlich, German Roman Catholic priest, he protected the rights of the German Catholics and the maltreatment of Polish forced labourers

Hilary Paweł Januszewski

Ignacy Jeż Catholic Bishop

Joseph Kentenich, founder of the Schoenstatt Movement, spent three and a half years in Dachau

Bishop Jan Maria Michał Kowalski, the first Minister Generalis (Minister General) of the order of the Mariavites. He perished on 18 May 1942, in a gas chamber in Schloss Hartheim.

Adam Kozlowiecki, Polish Cardinal

Max Lackmann, Lutheran pastor and founder of League for Evangelical-Catholic Reunion.

Blessed Karl Leisner, in Dachau since 14 December 1941, freed 4 May 1945, but died on 12 August from tuberculosis contracted in the camp

Martin Niemoller, "Hitler's Personal Prisoner", was a leading Christian voice against Nazism. He was incarcerated at Dachau from 1941 until liberation in 1945.

Josef Lenzel, German Roman Catholic priest, he helped of the Polish forced labourers

Bernhard Lichtenberg - German Roman Catholic priest, was sent to Dachau but died on his way there in 1943

Martin Niemöller, imprisoned in 1941, freed 4 May 1945

Nikolai Velimirović, bishop of the Serbian Orthodox Church and an influential theological writer, venerated as saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Lawrence Wnuk

Nanne Zwiep, Pastor of the Dutch Reformed Church in Enschede, spoke out from the pulpit against Nazis and their treatment of Dutch Citizens and anti-Semitism, arrested 20 April 1942, died in Dachau of exhaustion and malnutrition 24 November 1942

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Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust Victims?

Of the 11 million people killed during the Holocaust, six million were Polish citizens. Three million were Polish Jews and another three million were Polish Christians and Catholics. Most of the remaining mortal victims were from other countries including Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Russia, Holland, France and even Germany.
Why Did Hitler Cause 11 Million to Die?

First we need to examine Hitler's egocentric and maniac ideology. Hitler, who was Chancellor of Germany during the Holocaust, came to power in 1933 when Germany was experiencing severe economic hardship. Hitler promised the Germans that he would bring them prosperity and that his military actions would restore Germany to a position of power in Europe.

Hitler had a vision of a Master Race of Aryans that would control Europe. He used very powerful propaganda techniques to convince not only the German people, but countless others, that if they eliminated the people who stood in their way and the degenerates and racially inferior, they - the great Germans would prosper. Neighboring Poland - The First Target: "All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles." Heinrich Himmler



Hitler's first target was Germany's closest neighbor to the east, Poland. An agricultural country with little military power. Hitler attacked Poland from three directions on September 1, 1939 and in just over one month, Poland surrendered -- unable to defend itself against the powerful German prowess.

In Poland, Hitler saw an agricultural land in close proximity to Germany, populated by modest but strong and healthy farmers. Hitler quickly took control of Poland by specifically wiping out the Polish leading class -- the Intelligentsia. During the next few years, millions of other Polish citizens were rounded up and either placed in slave labor for German farmers and factories or taken to concentration camps where many were either starved and worked to death or used for scientific experiments.

The Jews in Poland were forced inside ghettos, but the non-Jews were made prisoners inside their own country. No one was allowed out. The Germans took over the ranches, farms and Polish factories. Most healthy citizens were forced into slave labor. Young Polish men were drafted into the German army. Blond haired children were "Germanized" and trained from an early age to be Nazi supporters. More on Polish Non-Jews
For Their Religious Belief, They Stood Firm

Every European country, even Germany, had those who did not believe in the Nazi ideology and who were willing to die for their beliefs. Perhaps no other group stood so firmly in their beliefs as the Jehovah Witnesses. Hitler felt particularly threatened by this strong group of Christians because they, from the very beginning, refused to recognize any God other than Jehovah. When asked to sign documents of loyalty to the Nazi ideology, they refused. Jehovah Witnesses were forced to wear purple armbands and thousands were imprisoned as "dangerous" traitors because they refused to take a pledge of loyalty to the Third Reich.
For Their Race They Were Executed

Like the Jews, the Rom Gypsies were chosen for total annihilation just because of their race. Even though Jews are defined by religion, Hitler saw the Jewish people as a race that he believed needed to be completely annihilated. Like the Jews, the Rom Gypsies also were a nomadic people that were persecuted throughout history. Both groups were denied certain privileges in many European countries. The Germans believed both the Jews and the Gypsies were racially inferior and degenerate and therefore worthless. Like the Jews, the Gypsies were also moved into special areas set up by the Nazis. Half a million Gypsies, almost the entire Eastern European Gypsy population, was wiped out during the Holocaust.
Men and Women of Courage From All Nations

Every European nation had its courageous resisters. Poland's Underground army - made up of children, teenagers, and regular men and women - was responsible for defending the lives of thousand of its Jewish and non-Jewish citizens. Many were killed for their acts of courage against the Nazis. Even though most German citizens were supportive of Hitler's plan to control Europe, there were German citizens who died because they refused to go along with Hitler's plan.
Priests and Pastors Died for Their Beliefs.

Hitler wanted not only to conquer all of Europe, but Hitler also wanted to create a new religion and to replace Jesus Christ as a person to be worshipped. Hitler expected his followers to worship the Nazi ideology. Since Catholic priests and Christian pastors were often influential leaders in their community, they were sought out by the Nazis very early. Thousands of Catholic priests and Christian pastors were forced into concentration camps. A special barracks was set up at Dachau, the camp near Munich, Germany, for clergymen. A few survived; some were executed, but most were allowed to die slowly of starvation or disease.
Pink Triangles for Homosexuals

Because Hitler's plan for a great Master Race had no room for any homosexuals, many males from all nations, including Germany, were persecuted, tortured and executed. Hitler even searched his own men and found suspected homosexuals that were sent to concentration camps wearing their S.S. uniforms and medals. The homosexual inmates were forced to wear pink triangles on their clothes so they could be easily recognized and further humiliated inside the camps. Between 5,000 to 15,000 homosexuals died in concentration camps during the Holocaust. "Members and Friends of the International Association of Lesbian and Gay Children of Holocaust Survivors"

No Place for the Disabled
The Nazis decided that it was a waste of time and money to support the disabled. During Hitler's "cleansing program", thousands of people with various handicaps were deemed useless and simply put to death like dogs and cats.

Sterilization for Black Children
Prior to World War I, there were very few dark-skinned people of African descent in Germany. But, during World War I, black African soldiers were brought in by the French during the Allied occupation. Most of the Germans, who were very race conscious, despised the dark-skinned "invasion". Some of these black soldiers married white German women that bore children referred to as "Rhineland Bastards" or the "Black Disgrace". In Mein Kampf, Hitler said he would eliminate all the children born of African-German descent because he considered them an "insult" to the German nation.

"The mulatto children came about through rape or the white mother was a whore," Hitler wrote. "In both cases, there is not the slightest moral duty regarding these offspring of a foreign race." The Nazis set up a secret group, Commission Number 3, to organize the sterilization of these "Rhineland Bastards" to keep intact the purity of the Aryan race. In 1937, all local authorities in Germany were to submit a list of all the mulattos. Then, these children were taken from their homes or schools without parental permission and put before the commission. Once a child was decided to be of black descent, the child was taken immediately to a hospital and sterilized. About 400 children were medically sterilized -- many times without their parents' knowledge.
Death or Divorce - A Choice for Many
Jewish Converts - No Matter to the Nazi Regime

In German-Occupied Poland, a Jew who converted to Christianity was considered to be still a Jew. The Warsaw Ghetto had a special section for such converts and there was even a Catholic church that served them. It is believed that they shared the fate of all the other Jews.

"Young girls that were half Jewish were often hidden by nuns in Polish convents. And some convents took in Jewish girls as well. I had a lengthy conversation in Warsaw with a Pole (a friend of my brother's) who was active in ZEGOTA. He told me a few stories of transporting Jewish girls to convents". Alex Lauterbach, Encino, California

Many husbands and wives of Jews in Germany were forced to choose between divorce or concentration camps. Hitler would not allow "interracial" marriages. Those that chose to remain married were punished by imprisonment in camps where many died. By: Terese Pencak Schwartz - Copyright 2012

 

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm

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Прошли смо све усташке логоре!

Ако бисмо у једној реченици покушали да опишемо живот осамдесет једногодишње Смиље Тишма, Српкиње рођене у западној Славонији, довољно је да кажемо да је као десетогодишња девојчица, са млађим сестрама и братом, за годину дана остала без оца и мајке у тадашњој Независној Држави Хрватској. Прогутале су њене родитеље усташке јаме у најозлоглашенијем логору-Јасеновцу.Ужасан рез преко дечијих живота никада није зацелио. Великим чудом сво четворо су преживели Јесеновац, Јастребарско, слугарење у хрватским кућама, и рат. Касније, титоистичка власт их је раздвојила, према интересовањима их школовала. Били су деца из сиротишта. И сви су стасали у добре људе.

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Смиља Тишма

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Транспортовали су вас, потом, у најужаснији логор смрти за српску децу, у Јастребарско!

 

     – Опет сточни воз и на хиљаде малишана. Непрегледна „сточна” композиција пуна српске деце. Не сећам се колико дуго смо путовали. Сећам се великог самостана у Јастребарском. Налазио се на узвишењу. Цео простор око самостана био је ограђен високом жицом. Логор! Усташе и католичка црква су на најзверскији, Јудин начин изиграли Бога, јер су самостан, Божју кућу употребили за мучење, убијање српске деце! Самостан су претворили у дечје мучилиште. То је, кажу у историји, највећи концентрациони логор на свету за децу! Да ли човечанство уопште хоће да зна за Голготу српске деце у Јастребарском?! Више од тога ме интересује–зашто Европа, свет неће да знају истину? Ко се усуђује да пореди Јасеновац, Јастребарско, Стару Градишку, стотине јама са било којим збивањем у недавном рату? По чијиј директиви се врши замена теза у случају Сребрница? У Сребрницу су заправо довожена из бројних босанских градова тела муслиманских војника, који су постхумно ископавани. Поуздано се зна да је огроман број њих био у војци Изетбеговића. Дакле оних који су убијали Србе. Муслимани то чак не крију, јер на улазу у Сребрницу на спомен-камену исписали су све те градове! СВЕТ ТО ВИДИ. ОД СРБА ПОКУШАВАЈУ САДА ДА НАПРАВЕ ЗЛОЧИНЦЕ. ОД ПРЕОСТАЛИХ СРБА, КОЈЕ НИСУ ПОБИЛИ У ДРУГОМ СВЕТСКОМ РАТУ. У Јасеновцу је убијено преко 730.000 цивила, недужних људи. То су доказали научници.
     
     Кажете да је у Јастребарском такође умрло, или убијено много, на хиљаде деце. Указујете да су много дечака узимали, покрштавали и од њих правили узорне католике.Ви сте то гледали скоро свакодневно!

 

     – Никада није утврђен ни приближан број српских малишана који су у католичком самостану уморени глађу, убијени, или су подлегли од болести. Можда и на десетине хиљада. Јер много бивше деце логораша Јастребарског се уназад две, три деценије јављало. Били су изненађени што их нема на списковима, а неке часне сестре из времена злочина у Јастребарском, додуше остареле, срели су и после много деценија у истом самостану. Кажу да су тада доживели шок. Када су се усташе, НДХ, Павелић, Степинац, тако односили према преживелим, шта су за њих значила имена мртве деце, која никада неће проговорити. Тако барем мисле злочинци, и црква која је ту монструозност благословила. Злочинце је касније беатификовала у светитеље! Данас се покатоличени Срби ревносно клањају једном Степинцу, или Мерцу, кољачима српског народа.

„Ко прими на себе грехе света, постаће истински цар света.” Лао Це, пет векова пре Христа

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Zayron dok se ne suoci sa "sopstvenom" senkom nema sta da se prica na ovu temu, jer uvek biva negirajuci kontraspam.

Zayron: Pa tamo ni nema svađa oko vjere i nacije jer se o tom uošte ni ne priča. Priča se kakva je koja ribica i na šta se fata, na mrmka, na glistu, na kruh, hljeb ili angelbrot, na na lažni mamac itd. Evetualno o tom kako se koja peče i koja je ukusnija.

cloudking: "Ne postoje cuda... postoje samo stvari koje jos ne razumemo."

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Zayron dok se ne suoci sa "sopstvenom" senkom nema sta da se prica na ovu temu, jer uvek biva negirajuci kontraspam.

 

Ja jedino s čim se zatim još ovdje suočavam su ovakve stvari koje vidim da su svakako najegzaktnijim produktom čistih i nepristranih pomno provedenih istorijskih istraživanja i analiza golih fakata, kako bi to inače i moglo biti drugačije. A i rječnik je sasvim stručan, predmetan i istorijski a na sasvim uobičajenom nivou za istorijsku faktografsku literaturu : 

 

Данас се покатоличени Срби ревносно клањају једном Степинцу, или Мерцу, кољачима српског народа.

 

То дугујемо жртвама, а било их је преко милион и триста хиљада ,,,

 

... под командом Анте Павелића, Ивана Мерца, Алојза Степинца и многих других усташких злочинаца!

 

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