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Пре сат времена, Вукашин рече

То да ли све ово води ка жигу видећемо...

 

И у Русији имамо сличну ситуацију. Јован Крестјанкин је био против хистерије и паника, док је Кирил Павлов био против нових докумената..

Како сам ја схватио, није главна ствар да ли су документа претеча жига и средство поробљавања и контроле, већ су старци били против панике и опсесивног бављења том темом, где су многи били у опасности да напусте Цркву и погину.

Могуће да је и ово моје тумачење погрешно, нисам експерт за те ствари.

Могу само да кажем да ми се ово што данас видим са затварањима, забранама путовања и корона пасошима никако не свиђа и уопште ми не личи на медицинске мере, већ на средство поробљавања.

Нађи текст где старац Порфирије говори о пасошу. 

Старац Порфирије је имао реална виђења последњих времена.

 

[Bokisd]

Пре сат времена, mirko1929 рече

Зар не знаш да је свети Григорије Ниски писао како Бог превентивно убија младеж?

It is a sign of the perfection of God’s providence, that he not only heals maladies that have come into existence, but also provides that some should be never mixed up at all in the things which he has forbidden; it is reasonable to expect that he who knows the future equally with the past should check the advance of an infant to complete maturity, in order that the evil may not be developed which his foreknowledge has detected in his future life, and in order that a lifetime granted to one whose evil dispositions will be lifelong may not become the actual material for his vice.

Therefore, to prevent one who has indulged in the carousals to an improper extent from lingering over so profusely furnished a table, he is early taken from the number of the banqueters, and thereby secures an escape out of those evils which unmeasured indulgence procures for gluttons. This is that achievement of a perfect Providence which I spoke of; namely, not only to heal evils that have been committed, but also to forestall them [foreknown evils] before they have been committed; and this, we suspect, is the cause of the deaths of new-born infants.

But seeing that our reason in this matter has to grope in the dark, clearly no one can complain if its conjecturing leads our mind to a variety of conclusions. Well, then, not only one might pronounce that God, in kindness to the founders of some family, withdraws a member of it who is going to live a bad life from that bad life, but, even if there is no antecedent such as this in the case of some early deaths, it is not unreasonable to conjecture that they would have plunged into a vicious life with a more desperate vehemence than any of those who have actually become notorious for their wickedness. That nothing happens without God we know from many sources; and, reversely, that God’s dispensations have no element of chance and confusion in them every one will allow, who realizes that God is reason, and wisdom, and perfect goodness, and truth, and could not admit of that which is not good and not consistent with his truth. Whether, then, the early deaths of infants are to be attributed to the aforesaid causes, or whether there is some further cause of them beyond these, it befits us to acknowledge that these things happen for the best.

The premature deaths of infants have nothing in them to suggest the thought that one who so terminates his life is subject to some grievous misfortune, any more than they are to be put on a level with the deaths of those who have purified themselves in this life by every kind of virtue; the more far-seeing providence of God curtails the immensity of sins in the case of those whose lives are going to be so evil. That some of the wicked have lived on does not upset this reason which we have rendered; for the evil was in their case hindered in kindness to their parents; whereas, in the case of those whose parents have never imparted to them any power of calling upon God, such a form of the Divine kindness, which accompanies such a power, is not transmitted to their own children; otherwise the infant now prevented by death from growing up wicked would have exhibited a far more desperate wickedness than the most notorious sinners, seeing that it would have been unhindered.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2912.htm

 

A bre Mirko, pa to su Boziji sudovi i providnost i promisao o svim ljudima, i o deci, jednostavno ako se gleda na krajnji cilj vere koji je spasenje duse, onda je Bozija providnost ucinila dobro takvim decjim dusama jer da su postale odrasli i zreli ljudi cinile bi velike grehe koji bi ih na kraju odveli u vecnu osudu i paklene muke i onda u tom smislu Bog cini dobro tim decijim dusama.

Sad zasto Bog neku decu izabira da uzima i neku decu ipak ostavlja u zivotu (iako ce oba ciniti greh i zlo), to je vec preveliko pitanje i to je vec nesto u smislu sto je rekao sv.Grigorije Niski.....But seeing that our reason in this matter has to grope in the dark, clearly no one can complain if its conjecturing leads our mind to a variety of conclusions..... itd...

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пре 15 часа, Дејан рече

Нађи текст где старац Порфирије говори о пасошу. 

Старац Порфирије је имао реална виђења последњих времена.

 

Rekao je da je super izbor vaseljenski patrijarh. Vartolomej.