Masovna vakcinacija = Immune Escape = EMERGENCY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN

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@Avocado

kao što sam i pretpostavio ti ne možeš da razumeš moje shvatanje "dinamike" procesa i posledično šta u mom razumevanju označava "nije efikasna" ili "ne prepoznaje", definitivno operišeš u binarnom off/on modu, ja da se ubijam pojašnjavajući kako to vidim stvarno ne mogu i nemam vremena. samo ću ti navesti prost primer iz druge oblasti: svaka investicija je efikasna u apsolutnom smislu (šta got da radiš nešto ćeš proizvesti), međutim kada u analizu ubaciš ostale faktore koji mogu da budu u rasponu od konkretnih troškova do apstraktnih opisa ciljeva, može da se dokaže da samo neke investicije (i ako sve donose neki profit) su opravdane i dobre. npr jednostavnom analizom praga rentabiliteta pokazuješ da i ako u apsolutnom smislu profit postoji u svim mogućim scenarijima investicija, samo u nekima nalaziš ekonomsko opravdanje, odnosno klasifikuješ kao nešto što "radi" ili nešto što "ne radi" posao i to u napred. dakle klasifikacija kao računska kategorija (kao stvar procene) koja je suštinski ne tačna (jer svaka investicija, bilo kakva, izbacuje neki profit), postaje činjenica-realnost (pokazuje se kao istina: prelazi iz imaginarne i suštinski ne tačne računske kategorije u realnost dokazane činjenice) tek na kraju tog procesa. prevedeno na ovu temu: prepoznavanje virusa i mutacija virusa od strane specifičnih antitela postoji, i ti se držiš samo toga (odnosno mene optužuješ da kao nešto menjam priču a ustvari ne razumeš moje gledište ili namerno nećeš da razumeš), ali efikasnost tog prepoznavanja (koje i čini osnovu za procenu gde će mo završiti) je od najvećeg značaja da bi se za nešto reklo da ili ne. hoću reći da ako nešto "prepoznaje" (u bilo kojoj meri, čak i velikoj) to apsolutno ne znači da će to i rešiti problem. dakle u ovom pojednostavljenom primeru, kada pustiš u rad taj proces (investiciju) prvo što ćeš da vidiš pored početnih dobrih rezultata jesu ne obične ili ne objašnjive pojave, da u nekim malim nišama počinje da puca lanac snabdevanja, da proporcije cena nekih proizvoda (iz istorijske perspektive gledano) počinju ne objašnjivo da se ponašaju , da kretanje kapitala i pored odličnih uslova počinje da ide u nkom pravcu koji niko nije očekivao itd...

da ne dužim dalje zvanično odustajem od rasprave sa tobom jer ja i ti u opšte ne pričamo i ne razumemo se, npr:

пре 6 часа, Avocado рече

Takođe, podsetiću da si u poruci na koju sam reagovao implicirao da vakcine ne štite od novog soja i da sad sve vreme okrećeš priču na drugu stranu, jer je ta tvrdnja očigledno netačna... kao manje su efikasne... jer ako se od njih "samo" ne umire, to nije dovoljno dobro... bolje je da pustimo virus da pobije sve što može...

apsolutno nije ne tačna, nego se ja i ti ne razumemo, a pride iz ne razumevanja kako nešto procenjujem izvodiš besmislicu da nešto menjam priču a ustvari me ne razumeš. ili nećeš da razumeš

u svakom slučaju ne mogu više da se nadgornjavam.

samo ću u nastavku postaviti dva videa: 

- prvi koji bukvalno govori istim rečnikom (iz mog prošlog posta) kao i ja (samo što nam se zaključci o tome koji put mi ustvari biramo, razlikuju) i

- drugi video sa dr.Konom koji onome koji hoće da vidi potpuno jasno govori o čemu se ovde radi, ko ne može da procesuira kroz svoj mentalni sklop šta on  ustvari govori ja stvarno ne mogu da objašnjavam.

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пре 47 минута, dragisa рече

- prvi koji bukvalno govori istim rečnikom (iz mog prošlog posta) kao i ja (samo što nam se zaključci o tome koji put mi ustvari biramo, razlikuju)

referišem samo na prvi deo emisije

пре 48 минута, dragisa рече

- drugi video sa dr.Konom koji onome koji hoće da vidi potpuno jasno govori o čemu se ovde radi, ko ne može da procesuira kroz svoj mentalni sklop šta on  ustvari govori ja stvarno ne mogu da objašnjavam.

referišem na deo koji počinje tek od 20og minuta

[Avocado]

пре 1 сат, dragisa рече

@Avocado

kao što sam i pretpostavio ti ne možeš da razumeš moje shvatanje "dinamike" procesa i posledično šta u mom razumevanju označava "nije efikasna" ili "ne prepoznaje",

Možda je do tebe?

 

пре 1 сат, dragisa рече

definitivno operišeš u binarnom off/on modu, ja da se ubijam pojašnjavajući kako to vidim stvarno ne mogu i nemam vremena. samo ću ti navesti prost primer iz druge oblasti:

Ne operišem u binarnom modu, evo da ponovim: sasvim je nesporno da vakcine nisu 100% efikasne ni za originalni soj za koji su napravljene i manje su efikasne za neke nove sojeve...

Uopšte nije sporno da je u pitanju spektrum... neki procenat koji ide od 0 do 100%... i da kao i sa svakim spektrumom jedan deo možemo da nazovemo efikasna i jedan deo neefikasna... što je samo način na koji ljudi uobičajno klasifikuju stvari, kao što možemo da pričamo o tome da li je neka prostorija tamna ili svetla iako to nije binarno već spektrum... jer i u prostorijama koje nazivamo tamnim ima nešto svetlosti...

Ono što jeste sporno je što ti tvrdiš da su vakcine neefikasne, a uopšte ne razumem odakle ti takva ideja ako se uzmu u obzir raspoloživi podaci... i deluje mi (iako ne znam jer se ne izražavaš jasno o tome) da bi ti efikasnom vakcinom smatrao samo onu kod koje imuni odgovor odmah uništava virus, tako da ne postoji nikakva šansa da ga vakcinisani prenesu dalje (ili nešto prilično blizu tome)... ali to onda znači da upravo ti operišeš u binarnom modu za koji mene optužuješ jer je vakcina po tebi efikasna ako je 100% efikasna (ili nešto prilično blizu tome), a sve ostalo je neefikasna... kao kada bi rekao da je samo prostorija u kojoj nema ni jednog fotona svetlosti tamna, a sve ostale su svetle...

 

пре 1 сат, dragisa рече

 prevedeno na ovu temu: prepoznavanje virusa i mutacija virusa od strane specifičnih antitela postoji, i ti se držiš samo toga (odnosno mene optužuješ da kao nešto menjam priču a ustvari ne razumeš moje gledište ili namerno nećeš da razumeš),

Ne... držim se toga da podatak povodom kojeg pričamo glasi: doktorka je opisala dramatičnu situaciju u najvećoj kovid bolnici kod nas, u koju u poslednje vreme dolazi dosta pacijenata sa težom kliničkom slikom i posledicama i to i mlađih pacijenata, što ukazuje na novi soj, a pored toga je rekla da joj vakcinisani dolaze sa manje problema i da su samo dva vakcinisana pacijenta umrla, oba starija od 80, sa ozbiljnim srčanim problemima.

Navedeno ukazuje na to da je vakcina prilično efikasna (na gornjoj strani spektra) i za taj novi soj koji ovde operiše, bilo da je u pitanju brazilski ili neki naš novi soj.

Prosto, ako spektrum ide od: dolaze mi pacijenti sa novim sojem i nema nikakve razlike između vakcinisanih i vakcinisanih... do dolaze mi pacijenti sa novim sojem i ni jedan od njih nije vakcinisan.... podatak "umrla su mi samo 2 pacijenta sa ozbiljnim" je daleko bliže gornjem kraju spektruma.

Eto, nadam se da sad možemo da nastavimo bez strawmena o binarnosti i strawmena kako je moj jedini kriterijum da li postoji prepoznavanje novih sojeva od strane specifičnih antitela... naravno, ako želiš da nastaviš tj. da započneš raspravu o onome što ja pričam, a ne o svojim strawmenima...

 

пре 1 сат, dragisa рече

da ne dužim dalje zvanično odustajem od rasprave sa tobom jer ja i ti u opšte ne pričamo i ne razumemo se, npr:

apsolutno nije ne tačna, nego se ja i ti ne razumemo, a pride iz ne razumevanja kako nešto procenjujem izvodiš besmislicu da nešto menjam priču a ustvari me ne razumeš. ili nećeš da razumeš

u svakom slučaju ne mogu više da se nadgornjavam.

samo ću u nastavku postaviti dva videa: 

- prvi koji bukvalno govori istim rečnikom (iz mog prošlog posta) kao i ja (samo što nam se zaključci o tome koji put mi ustvari biramo, razlikuju) i

- drugi video sa dr.Konom koji onome koji hoće da vidi potpuno jasno govori o čemu se ovde radi, ko ne može da procesuira kroz svoj mentalni sklop šta on  ustvari govori ja stvarno ne mogu da objašnjavam.

Radi šta god želiš, samo uopšte ne razumem šta je poenta postavljanja ova dva videa... Marija Gnjatović priča isto što i ja samo je više pesimistična, ali zaista ne znam šta je rekla što je suprotno onome što ja pričam... opet ne znam šta je poenta jer nisi ni rekao i mogu samo da pretpostavim da si njene rečenice u kojima priča šta može da se desi nekako "čuo" kao da kaže da se to već desilo... 

Za dr. Kona tek uopšte ne razumem šta je poenta...

Inače, proverih i ovo što priča za autopsije... WHO svakako ne zabranjuje autopsije... imaju propisanu proceduru kao savet kako autopsije treba vršiti:

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/infection-prevention-and-control-for-the-safe-management-of-a-dead-body-in-the-context-of-covid-19-interim-guidance

U ovom naučnom radu iz novembra 2020. godine imaš ne tako mali spisak drugih naučnih radova povodom autopsija na pacijentima kovida:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382931/

 

 

[Bernard]

Vaccines Are the New ‘Purity Test’

Vaccinations Are the New ‘Purity Test’

By Dr. Joseph Mercola

Wolf also points out the horrific history of IBM, which developed a similar but less sophisticated system of punch cards that allowed Nazi Germany to create a two-tier society and ultimately facilitated the rounding up of Jews for extermination. I will be publishing an entire article about this in a couple of days.

Suffice it to say, some of the most gruesome parts of history are now repeating right before our eyes, and we must not turn away from this ugly truth. Doing so may turn out to be far more lethal than COVID-19 ever was.

The short video above features a 93-year-old Holocaust survivor who compares mask wearing to, as a Jew, having to wear a yellow star to mark their societal status. However, back then, everyone understood what was happening, she says.

At no point were they lied to and told that wearing the star was for their own good, which is what’s happening now. So, in that respect, the current situation is far more insidious. She says the “hypocrisy in the public narrative,” which claims that we need to wear masks to protect the old, “is absolutely unbearable.” “I would love to die in a state [of] freedom,” she says, “than live like this.”

She adds that at her age, her life expectancy is short, and she would gladly exchange her death for the life and happiness of the next generations. She wants the younger generations to have the freedom “to live their lives, as I have lived mine.” “To see people defile their children with masks is something totally unbearable to me,” she says. Vaccine credentials, in my view, are even more comparable to the Jewish yellow star, but in reverse.

Not having the certificate will be the yellow star of our day, which will allow business owners, government officials and just about anyone else, to treat you like a second-class citizen and deny you access to everything from education, work and travel, to recreation, social engagements and daily commerce — all under the false guise of you being a biological threat to all those who have been vaccinated.

According to the public narrative, vaccine certificates are a key aspect of getting life back to normal, but the reality is the complete converse, as they will usher in a markedly different society that is anything but normal.

Vaccines Are the New 'Purity Test' - Global Research

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As predicted last year, vaccine passports are being rolled out across the world, including the U.S. As reported by Ron Paul in his Liberty Report

 

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Nema tu mnogo matematike. Zasto smo bas mi dobili toliki broj vakcina?

Zazo sto ovi glavni cuvaju svoje zadnjice tako sto cemo mi biti naucni experiment. 

Pa dobro prokleti bili izrodi srpski svih vremena.... I to ne rekoh ja nego Vladika Nikolaj.

A cuo sam da su ljudi koji se vakcinisu pozitivni jer im ubacaju odredjenu dozu virusa koji oni posle sire na ukucane a i dalje.

I zasto je bas Nemacka narucila Ruaku vakcinu??

A Nemacka i Srbija su bliske. Nista ne razumem al ima ovde pametnih koji sve razumedu. 😁

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[Bernard]

 

Several men in the vicinity immediately attend to Erichsen, who appears disoriented and bewildered. She was reportedly taken to the hospital and is recovering.

The presser was regarding Denmark’s full-on suspension of the AstraZeneca jab from the nation’s vaccine rollout, after the Danish Health Authority claimed “There is a link between rare, but serious” side effects following the vaccine.

The country, along with over 15 other nations, paused the vaccine’s rollout last month after two Danish citizens died from blood clots, as many other reported similar clots.

Denmark is the first country to announce a permanent suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine, which was approved by the World Health Organization in February.

It’s unclear if Erichsen received a vaccine, but her Twitter account is filled with posts promoting the Covid vaccines.

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On 16.4.2021. at 0:42, dragisa рече

izgleda da mi imamo različito poimanje šta je ustvari efikasnost specifičnih antitela, odnosno u kom trenutku za njih kažemo da prepoznaju ili da ne prepoznaju virus, da "rade" ili da "ne rade" posao, odnosno kada možemo reći da vakcina štiti ili ne štiti od nove varijante virusa. dakle deluje mi da ti to vidiš kao neko binarno stanje, off/on.... ili štiti(prepoznaje) ili ne štiti(ne prepoznaje), dok je moje razumevanje da je reč o "afinitetu" tih antitela odnosno da mera u kojoj dovoljno dobro prepoznaju ustvari određuje konačni zaključak o efikasnosti vakcine. možda se ti i ja zbog toga i ne razumemo, ali kasnije ću napisati kako ja to shvatam, za sad uprošćeno: geert i govori o "suboptimalnom" odgovoru, dakle ne o tome da antitela uopšte neće prepoznati ali da jednostavno njihov "afinitet" nije dovoljno veliki da se sa novom varijantom dovoljno dobro izbori, dok su istovremeno (zbog postojanja trenutnih suboptimalnih, ali dominantnih, antitela) Natural Killer ćelije (urođeni imunitet) supresovane...

dakle još jednom o "afinitetu" spec.antitela kao meri efikasnosti koja odlučujuće određuje "da li" i "koliko" nešto (vakcina) dobro: radi ili ne radi, odnosno scenario imunog bega koji je realno moguć ukoliko se obistine predviđenii uslovi (pojava zaraznijih sojeva kroz mogućnosti reinfekcije kao posledice cirkulacije virusa u asimptomatskim nosiocima sa suboptimalnim imunim odgovorom) koji izgleda već vidimo kroz potrebu novih dodatnih vakcinacija

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On 16.4.2021. at 13:20, Bernard рече

Not having the certificate will be the yellow star of our day, which will allow business owners, government officials and just about anyone else, to treat you like a second-class citizen and deny you access to everything from education, work and travel, to recreation, social engagements and daily commerce — all under the false guise of you being a biological threat to all those who have been vaccinated.

Ovo je tacno dokle god je osvescenih slobodara nekoliko procenata, pa mogu da se slepaju na racun ostalih vakcinisanih.

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On 16.4.2021. at 16:12, Branka62 рече

 

Postojanje ovih plavih i zelenih stubica jasno govori da se i vakcinisani zarazavaju.

[Bernard]

18-Year-Old Undergoes 3 Brain Surgeries From Blood Clots After J&J Vaccine

A Nevada teen was put in a coma, placed on a respirator and underwent three brain surgeries after developing blood clots about one week after getting the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

18-Year-Old Undergoes 3 Brain Surgeries From Blood Clots After J&J Vaccine • Children's Health Defense

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A Nevada teen was put in a coma, placed on a respirator and underwent three brain surgeries after developing blood clots about one week after getting the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

 

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KRATKO, OTVORENO I JASNO: verovatno poslednje javno obraćanje i apel za promenu kursa delovanja dok još uvek nije prekasno... 

 

[Bernard]

A regional independent drug assessment center, the CTIAP (Centre territorial d’Information indépendante et d’Avis pharmaceutiques), which is linked to the Cholet public hospital in the west of France, recently published a report showing that the vaccines used against COVID were not only submitted to insufficient clinical testing, but that the quality of the active substances, their “excipients, some of which are new,” and the manufacturing processes are problematic. “These new excipients should be considered as new active substances,” the Cholet hospital team stated, in a study that according to them raises issues that have not been commented to date.

The team led by Dr. Catherine Frade, a pharmacist, worked on public data released by the EMA with relation to the Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) shots, and its first caveat was that all these products only have temporary marketing authorizations. They are all subject to further studies that reach as far as 2024 and even beyond, and these will be almost impossible to be completed because of the way the vaccines are now being distributed, said the CTIAP report.

 

For the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine (pages 18-19)

By “March 2021,” the laboratory must provide “additional validation data” to “confirm the reproducibility of the finished product manufacturing process.”

By “July 2021,” the laboratory must provide missing information to:

 

• “complete the characterization of the active substance and the finished product;”
• “strengthen the control strategy, including the specifications of the active substance and the finished product” in order to “ensure the constant quality of the product;”
• “provide additional information regarding its synthesis process and control strategy” in order to “confirm the purity profile of the excipient ALC-0315” and “to ensure quality control and batch-to-batch reproducibility throughout the life cycle of the finished product;”
• and by “December 2023,” and “in order to confirm the efficacy and safety” of this vaccine, the company “shall submit the final clinical study report for the randomized, placebo-controlled, blind observer study (Study C4591001).

 

For the Moderna vaccine (page 15)

The laboratory should provide the missing information to:

• “complete the characterization of the manufacturing processes of the active substance and the finished product” (deadline “January 2021”);
• confirm the reproducibility of the manufacturing process of the active substance and the finished product (initial and final batch sizes) (deadline “April 2021”);
• “provide additional information on the stability of the active substance and the finished product and review the specifications of the active substance and the finished product after longer industrial practice” with the aim of “ensuring consistent product quality” (deadline “June 2021”);
• “submit the final study report for the randomized, placebo-controlled, blinded clinical trial for the mRNA-1273-P301 observer” to “confirm the efficacy and safety of COVID-19 vaccine Moderna” (by December 2022).

 

For the Astra Zeneca vaccine (pages 14-15)

The laboratory must submit the missing information in order to:

• “provide additional validation and comparability data, and initiate further testing” with the aim of “confirming the reproducibility of the manufacturing processes of the active substance and the finished product” (by “December 2021”);
• “Provide the main analysis (based on the December 7 data cut-off (post database lock) and the final analysis of the combined pivotal studies” to “confirm the efficacy and safety of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca” (deadline “March 5, 2021” (for the main analysis) and “May 31, 2022” (for the combined analysis);
• “submit final reports of the randomized controlled clinical studies COV001, COV002, COV003 and COV005” to “confirm the efficacy and safety of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca” (due "May 31, 2022");
• “provide additional data regarding the stability of the active substance and the finished product and revise the specifications of the finished product after extensive industrial practice” in order to “ensure consistent product quality” (deadline “June 2022”);
• “submit the synthesis and summaries of the primary analysis and the final clinical study report for study D8110C00001” to “confirm the efficacy and safety of COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca in the elderly and in subjects with underlying disease” — due “April 30, 2021” (for the primary analysis) and “March 31, 2024” (for the final study report).

 

 

 

 

For the Janssen vaccine (page 18)

The laboratory should submit the missing information to:

• “provide additional comparability and validation data” to “confirm the reproducibility of the manufacturing process of the finished product” (deadline “August 15, 2021”);
• submit the final report of the VAC31518COV3001 randomized, placebo-controlled, single-blind clinical study to “confirm the efficacy and safety of the COVID-19 Ad26.COV2.S vaccine” by December 31, 2023.

These facts allow us to offer a conclusion.

Conclusion

For these reasons, which are not exhaustive, it has proved useful to look for and read the content of the paragraph E: “Specific obligation relating to post-authorization measures concerning the conditional marketing authorization,” extracted from Annex II of the MA, corresponding to each of these 4 vaccines against COVID-19.

The inadequacy of the evaluation does not only concern the clinical trials (studies conducted in humans (women and men)), but also the quality of the active substance, the excipients, some of which are new, the manufacturing process, and the batches released and administered to humans in several countries around the world.

Moreover, these new excipients must be considered as new active ingredients, and thus be the subject of a complete evaluation file similar to that required for a new active ingredient.

Changing the commercial name of one of these vaccines, as was recently announced for the AstraZeneca vaccine in particular, can only be considered as a cosmetic arrangement of the product’s image for marketing purposes (winning new public confidence, boosting sales). It would not answer the questions raised concerning the quality, efficacy and safety of the product. This is one of the usual techniques used to put make-up on (dissimulate) certain undesirable characteristics of the product concerned. It is a technique that has been used to present other drugs in the best possible light.

As already mentioned, in the field of medicines (including vaccines), the “release” of the finished product (intended for sale) is the final stage of control (of quality and therefore of safety) before making these products available to the population.

This key stage of “release” of batches is the pharmaceutical responsibility of the manufacturers. However, the responsibility of the users (institutions and health professionals in particular) may also be involved.

In our opinion, these clinical studies should never have begun before the intrinsic quality of the finished product and its manufacturing process had been fully mastered; before the formulas of these vaccines had been stabilized.