Koji su razlozi odbojnosti prema Islamu?

[Eniz]

Selam narode.Evo mene opet ovdje

Stavih ovu temu jer su danas 2 cinjenice karakteristicne za Islam

1. vjera koja se najbrze siri i koju mnogi uzimaju

2. odbojnost prema islamu od mnogih

Iz iskustva sam mogao vidjeti da odbojnost proizilazi zbog neznanja o Islamu i uticaja medija na ljude.

Zato bih vas molio da navedete razloge koji govore o tome

Из мог искуства, они који мало знају о Исламу обично сматрају да је то "религија мира", а и медији пропагирају такву слику. Само они који боље познају Ислам га критикују.

Kao ti brate?Jeli?Poluznanje je gore od neznanja, čovjek koji nezna načuli uši i kaže neznam nauči me dok onaj koji malo zna ej on ti se nekad umisli u najvećeg islamskog autoriteta.

[Цвеле1993]

Наравно! Будизам не говори о христу никако.

Пророчанство о Исусу Христу (будисти чекају месију, као и Јевреји)

600. године пре Христа, Буда, оснивач моћне будистичке вере, пророковао је долазак Спаситеља на следећи начин.

Када је већ био при смрти и када су га ожалошћени ученици питали: "Ко ће нас учити када ти одеш?"

Буда одговори: "У одређено време јавиће се у свету један други Буда, Светитељ Један, у највећем степену Обасјани, обдарен мудрошћу у владању, проницљиви, познавалац Васионе, један несравњени Вођ људи и Господар Анђела и смртних.Он ће вам открити исте вечне истине које сам вас и ја учио.

Он ће проповедати своју религију, славну по свом пореклу, славну у својој узвишености и славну по циљу, како у духу тако и у форми.Он ће објавити један религиозни живот, савршен и чист."

А ученици га упиташе: "Како ћемо га ми познати?"

На то Благословени (Буда) рече: "Њега ће знати по имену, "Метеја" (Месија) што значи, "Онај чије је име милошта."

[selkoba]

Наравно! Будизам не говори о христу никако.

Пророчанство о Исусу Христу (будисти чекају месију, као и Јевреји)

600. године пре Христа, Буда, оснивач моћне будистичке вере, пророковао је долазак Спаситеља на следећи начин.

Када је већ био при смрти и када су га ожалошћени ученици питали: "Ко ће нас учити када ти одеш?"

Буда одговори: "У одређено време јавиће се у свету један други Буда, Светитељ Један, у највећем степену Обасјани, обдарен мудрошћу у владању, проницљиви, познавалац Васионе, један несравњени Вођ људи и Господар Анђела и смртних.Он ће вам открити исте вечне истине које сам вас и ја учио.

Он ће проповедати своју религију, славну по свом пореклу, славну у својој узвишености и славну по циљу, како у духу тако и у форми.Он ће објавити један религиозни живот, савршен и чист."

А ученици га упиташе: "Како ћемо га ми познати?"

На то Благословени (Буда) рече: "Њега ће знати по имену, "Метеја" (Месија) што значи, "Онај чије је име милошта."

I Muhamed s.a.w.s je tamo

pominjan-pogledaj

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in Hindu Scriptures

by Dr. Zakir Naik

I           

Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in Bhavishya Purana

  1.

      According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8.

    "A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, "I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents."

      The Prophecy clearly states:

     

        1. The name of the Prophet as Mohammad.

           

        2. He will belong to Arabia. The Sanskrit word Marusthal means a sandy track of land or a desert.

           

        3. Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet, i.e. the Sahabas. No other Prophet had as many companions as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

           

        4.

            He is referred as the pride of mankind (Parbatis nath). The Glorious Qur’an reconfirms this

            "And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character"

                                        [Al-Qur'an 68:4]|

            "Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)".

                                      [Al-Qur'an 33:21]

        5.

            He will kill the devil, i.e. abolish idol worship and all sorts of vices.

        6.

            The Prophet will be given protection against his enemy.

            Some people may argue that ‘Raja’ Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century C.E. 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realise that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj. There were several Raja Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century C.E.

            The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom.

  2.

      According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised:

      "The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations."

      The Prophecy states that:

        1. The evil doers have corrupted the Arab land.

           

        2.

            Arya Dharma is not found in that land.

        3.

            The Indian Raja need not go the Arab land since his purification will take place in India after the musalmaan will arrive in India.

        4.

            The coming Prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people.

        5.

            The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised. They will be without a tail on the head and bear a beard and will create a great revolution.

        6.

            They will announce the Aadhaan, i.e. ‘the Muslim call for prayer’.

        7.

            He will only eat lawful things and animals but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places:

            In Surah Al-Baqarah chapter 2 verse 173

            In Surah Al-Maidah chapter 5 verse 3

            In Surah Al-Anam chapter 6 verse 145

            In Surah Al-Nahl chapter 16 verse 115

            "Forbidden to you for food are dead meat, blood, flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah".

        8.

            They will not purify with grass like the Hindus but by means of sword they will fight their irreligious people.

        9.

            They will be called musalmaan.

        10.

            They will be a meat-eating nation.

            The eating of herbivorous animals is confirmed by the Qur’an in Surah Maidah, chapter 5 verse 1 and in Surah Muminun chapter 23 verse 21

  3.

      According to Bhavishya Purana, Parv - III Khand 1 Adhay 3 Shloka 21-23:

      "Corruption and persecution are found in seven sacred cities of Kashi, etc. India is inhabited by Rakshas, Shabor, Bhil and other foolish people. In the land of Malechhas, the followers of the Malechha dharma (Islam) are wise and brave people. All good qualities are found in Musalmaans and all sorts of vices have accumulated in the land of the Aryas. Islam will rule in India and its islands. Having known these facts, O Muni, glorify the name of thy lord".

      The Qur’an confirms this in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 33 and in Surah Al Saff chapter 61 verse 9:

      "It is He who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it)".

      A similar message is given in Surah Fatah chapter 48 verses 28 ending with, "and enough is Allah as a witness".

II     

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised in Atharvaveda

 

  1.

      In the 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas (chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukta. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam.

      Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Makkah is called the Ummul Qur’a the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth. In many revealed books it was the first house of Divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Qur’an says in Surah Ali-Imran chapter 3, verse 96:

      "The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakkah (Makkah) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings". Thus Kuntap stands for Makkah or Bakkah.

      Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Bloomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandit Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc.

      The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are:

        1.

            Mantra 1

            He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies.

        2.

            Mantra 2

            He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the vaistinu.

        3.

            Mantra 3

            He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows.

        4.

            Mantra 4

            Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’.

              1.

                  The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh).

                  The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant.

              2.

                  He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah. The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, "A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an ass and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath".

              3. This mantra gave the Rishi's name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh).

                  He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Makkan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Makkah to Abysinia. Later when Prophet migrated to Madinah all of them joined him in Madinah.

                  The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) known as Ashra-Mubbashshira (10 bestowed with good news). These were foretold in this world of their salvation in the hereafter i.e. they were given the good news of entering paradise by the Prophet’s own lips and after naming each one he said "in Paradise". They were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman Ibn Auf, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, Saad bin Zaid and Abu Ubaidah (May Allah be well-pleased with all of them).

                  The Sanskrit word Go is derived from Gaw which means ‘to go to war’. A cow is also called Go and is a symbol of war as well as peace. The 10,000 cows refer to the 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet (pbuh) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed. The 10,000 companions were pious and compassionate like cows and were at the same time strong and fierce and are described in the Holy Quran in Surah Fatah:

                  "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other."

                                                            [Al-Qur'an 48:29]

                 

              4.

                  This mantra calls the Prophet as Rebh which means one who praises, which when translated into Arabic is Ahmed, which is another name for the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

                   

  2.

      Battle of the Allies described in the Vedas.

      It is mentioned in Atharvaveda Book XX Hymn 21 verse 6, "Lord of the truthful! These liberators drink these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in the field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one."

     

        1. This Prophecy of the Veda describes the well-known battle of Ahzab or the battle of the Allies during the time of Prophet Muhammed. The Prophet was victorious without an actual conflict which is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Ahzab:

            "When the believers saw the confederate forces they said, "This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true." And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience."

                                    [Al-Qur'an 33:22]

           

        2. The Sanskrit word karo in the Mantra means the ‘praying one’ which when translated into Arabic means ‘Ahmed’, the second name of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).

           

        3. The 10,000 opponents mentioned in the Mantra were the enemies of the Prophet and the Muslims were only 3000 in number.

           

        4. The last words of the Mantra aprati ni bashayah means the defeat was given to the enemies without an actual fight.

 

  3. The enemies’ defeat in the conquest of Makkah is mentioned in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 21 verse no 9:

      "You have O Indra, overthrown 20 kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariot wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan."

     

        1. The population of Makkah at the time of Prophet’s advent was nearly 60,000

           

        2. There were several clans in Makkah each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Makkah.

           

        3. An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far-famed and ‘praised one’. Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God.

III       

    Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Rigveda

 

A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9:

The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh).

IV       

    Muhummad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda

 

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8:

"Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun." The Prophecy confirms:

 

  1. The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as "I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father".

     

  2.

      Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah.

  3.

      The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28

 

"We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not."

[Цвеле1993]

selkoba брате, не знам толико добро енглески. catfight

[selkoba]

selkoba брате, не знам толико добро енглески. catfight

Prevedi sebi catfight

[Eniz]

selkoba брате, не знам толико добро енглески. crvenilo

Prevedi sebi

crvenilo crvenilo :mad: smej.gif smej.gif pravilaa pravilaa :-[ tanning

[Eniz]

Mi muslimani smo krivi što postoji određeni manji ili veći stepen kod ljudi  prema islamu.

Zašto smo krivi?

Zato što smo se udaljili od naše vjere, zato što neuki ljudi govore i rade u ime vjere, mi smo zbog naših loših postupaka kontrareklama našoj vjeri.

Samo kada se vratimo našoj vjeri ljudi će nas poštovati zbog naših principa.A ovako da nam se Allah smiluje!

[Aquilius Cratus]

Svakome kome evropsko duhovno, kulturolosko, politicko nasledje nesto znaci treba da ima ako drugo

ne podozriv odnos prema islamu. Bio je jedan zlatan period u istoriji islama kada su muslimani bili

veci evropljani od evropljana i to van evrope ali izgleda da takav duhovni sklop tesko ide sa islamom.

Da bi islam bio islam treba mu organsko drustvo jer je on po koncepciji duriktno zavisan od zakona,

morala, obicaja , tradicije, politike. Za razliku od hriscanastva koje je potpuno nezavisno od tih koncepata.

[Eniz]

Svakome kome evropsko duhovno, kulturolosko, politicko nasledje nesto znaci treba da ima ako drugo

ne podozriv odnos prema islamu. Bio je jedan zlatan period u istoriji islama kada su muslimani bili

veci evropljani od evropljana i to van evrope ali izgleda da takav duhovni sklop tesko ide sa islamom.

To je period u kome su muslimani živjeli za svoju vjeru i u skladu sa svojom vjerom. Da bi islam bio islam treba mu organsko drustvo jer je on po koncepciji duriktno zavisan od zakona,

morala, obicaja , tradicije, politike. Za razliku od hriscanastva koje je potpuno nezavisno od tih koncepata.

Islam je uvijek bio islam i ostaće islam.A muslimani ako hoće da imaju ugled trebaju samo da ga primjenjuju i vjeruj mi ti ćeš ih prvi poštovati, kao što vidim si na indirektan način izrazio poštovanje prema jednom periodu islamske historije u kojem su muslimani bili muslimani.

[Aquilius Cratus]

Zasto onda nijednom muslimanu kasnijih vekova nije palo na pamet da uspostavi kosmopolitskog drustvo

iz zlatnog doba Kalifata sa pocetka 9. veka? Koje bi pocivalo na principima grckih polisa a ne organskih

drustava bliskog istoka.

[sqny]

A former cellmate of a woman sentenced to death by stoning in Iran, who spent two years in prison with her and accompanied her to the court when she received the news of her punishment, has told the Guardian how the woman, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, fainted in shock after hearing the verdict.

"It was in mid-November 2008 when the guards woke us up unexpectedly and told Sakineh and me that we should get ready for the court," said Shahnaz Gholami, 42, whose political activities in support of Azari minorities put her in jail for more than four years in Iran. Gholami, an active blogger, is seeking asylum in Paris.

Later that morning, the officials handcuffed Mohammadi Ashtiani and Gholami and took them to the court. Gholami said: "During the 15-minute journey to the court from the prison, she was just worried for her children, but she was not expecting anything even a bit close to the stoning. When we met once again after the court, she was appalled, absolutely speechless."

The 43-year-old mother of two fainted in shock when they returned to the prison, Gholami said. "For days, she was like a ghost wandering in shock, but when she came back to her senses, she just cried and I didn't see her without crying until the last day I spent time with her in prison."

The Guardian brought Mohammadi Ashtiani's plight to international attention on 3 July. Since then the case has drawn condemnation worldwide and a huge number of politicians, human rights activists and celebrities have joined the campaign for her release. In response, Iran has banned local media from reporting on the case.

Gholami – whose comments cannot be independently verified – said Mohammadi Ashtiani was tortured inside Tabriz prison. "Because of her loving nature, even her malicious cellmates kept distance from her, but the guards couldn't let her live at ease. She was flogged as a part of her sentence, but beside that she was beaten up severely by the guards." According to Gholami, Mohammadi Ashtiani has been refused access to writing materials.

"Until that day she was a calm, ordinary woman whose beauty made prisoners and the guards jealous. She didn't like trouble with other women in the block we were kept in, and because of that she was always alone," Gholami said.

Since May 2006, Mohammadi Ashtiani has been kept in room four of the eighth block of Tabriz prison, in the capital of Iran's East Azerbaijan province. She shares a room with 25 women who are mostly accused of murder. She was originally sentenced to 99 lashes for adultery, but her case was reopened when a court in Tabriz suspected her of murdering her husband. She was acquitted, but the adultery charge was reviewed and the death penalty handed down on the basis of "judge's knowledge". In Iran, officials consider adultery worse than murder, Gholami said.

"To be among those murderers and live with them is a daily torture for Sakineh, whose tender nature had made her exceptional in the block for everyone," Gholami said.

Iran's judiciary has since changed the sentence, following the international outcry, to execution by hanging "because she is convicted of murder". However, a copy of the document detailing the stoning sentence, which was disclosed to the Guardian by Mina Ahadi, of the Iran Committee against Stoning (ICAS), shows that she was convicted of adultery, not murder.

Ahadi said: "In adultery cases, women are sentenced because of the complaints from their husbands or families generally, but surprisingly, Sakineh is sentenced to death by stoning not because the family of her husband have made a complaint against her, but because the Tabriz prosecutor has made a complaint. In other words, it's the authorities in Iran who want Sakineh to be stoned to death."

Ahadi, who is in regular contact with the families of women sentenced to stoning in Iran, has been told recently that Mariam Ghorbanzadeh, 25, a current cellmate of Mohammadi Ashtiani who has been sentenced to death by stoning, is pregnant. The sentence has not been changed.

After a short visit to his mother in prison last Thursday, Mohammadi Ashtiani's son Sajad told the Guardian that she fears she may be executed without prior notice to her lawyer, especially now that Iran has issued an arrest warrant for Mohammad Mostafaei, the lawyer who represented her until recently. Mostafaei is believed to be hiding from officials after his relatives were imprisoned.

[Grizzly Adams]

Zasto onda nijednom muslimanu kasnijih vekova nije palo na pamet da uspostavi kosmopolitskog drustvo

iz zlatnog doba Kalifata sa pocetka 9. veka? Koje bi pocivalo na principima grckih polisa a ne organskih

drustava bliskog istoka.

Да би одговорили на то питање требало би да се удубимо у узроке таквог развоја догађаја у "Златном добу" од VIII до XIII века. То је доба у којем се Калифат у веома кратком периоду - око 100 година - проширио од Индије до Шпаније. Због тога је утицај поробљених народа и њихових култура на уређење те огромне државе (највеће царство у историји до тада) био велики, а треба имати у виду и да то уређење није било географски униформно - на пример, стање се разликовало на истоку и на западу. Као позитиван пример се обично наводи територија данашње Шпаније која је и географски и културно најудаљенија од Арабије одакле је Ислам потекао. И то није случајно.

Међутим, како је време пролазило утицај исламског закона је бивао све јачи, а изворне културе су потискиване. И ту тврдим супротно од Ениза - проблем јесте управо што су временом "муслимани постајали муслимани". Што су више те земље постајале "исламскије" и што се више примењивао Шеријат све је мање било слободе, развоја науке и културе и тако даље. Јер већ смо раније показали како је исламски закон уређен на начин да системом ограничења и посебних статуса временом потисне друге религије и културе. Управо то се и десило.

[Александар Милојков]

Selam narode.Evo mene opet ovdje

Stavih ovu temu jer su danas 2 cinjenice karakteristicne za Islam

1. vjera koja se najbrze siri i koju mnogi uzimaju

2. odbojnost prema islamu od mnogih

Iz iskustva sam mogao vidjeti da odbojnost proizilazi zbog neznanja o Islamu i uticaja medija na ljude.

Zato bih vas molio da navedete razloge koji govore o tome

Две карактерестке савременог битовања ислама које си навео су контрадикторне и једна другу искључују. Наиме, не могу "многи" да прелазе на ислам и  "многи" да имају одбојнсот према исламу. Или "многи" прелазе на ислам а мањина има одбојност, или пак, мањина прелази на ислам а многи имају одбојност.

Brate Aleksandre, ne bih se složio, uz dužno poštovanje prema tebi kao jako ozbiljnom sugovorniku:

Obzirom da danas ima oko šest milijardi ljudi , muslimana ima oko jedna četvrtina manje ili više, od ovoga broja može da se odvoji na dvije skupine jedna koja će biti od mnogih koje odbija islam, a druga od mnogih koji prihvataju islam.Што се тиче самог ширења ислама мислим да са ту највише ради у миграцијама и врло добром наталитету самих муслимана, за разлику од других. Појава примања ислама је много мања него што ти тврдиш (у набољем случају у истој је равни као и појава одрицања од ислама и прелазак у неку другу веру).

Da, djelom se islam širi i zbog toga što mi imamo mašallah izuzetno dobar natalitet, nemojte nas zbog toga koriti, nismo mi krivi evropljanima koji ne mogu svoje žene ubjeidti da im je preći natalitet od izgleda njihovih tjela.(Bitno je da je ona zgodna a što će njen narod biološki nestati bjelom kugom to je manje bitno.).

Isto tako brate moj , nemoj zatvarati oči i pred činjenicom da kršćani prelaze na islam.

Mladi njemački konvertit u islam je u jednom danu bio uzrokom 700 Njemaca da pređu u islam. Upoznao sam Britanku, konvertita u islam koja je predsjednica jednog od udruženja konvertita kojae broji 23000 konvertita u islam.

Pogledaj statistike ,brate!

Моја замерка исламу јесте та што са својим учењем не успева да превазиђе историјску димензију човековог постојања. Ислам је идеја која остаје у границама овога света - јака држава, правда, итд. Дакле, више ми личи на жестоку социологију него на откривање Бога и будућег века (који је права истина човековог постојања).

To je brate tvoje mišljenje sa kojim se apsolutno neslaže.

Islam je vjera koja jedino daje rješenja i ovog i onog svijeta.

Eto kršćanske zemlje evrope, zapada, dajte ta rješenja kršćanska  kršćanima i izbavite ih iz problema koji uništavaju svijet!

Dok islamske zemlje nemaju tih problema.ako je u islamu problem zašto oni koji se drže islama nemaju.

Pogledaj bolan koji je samo materijalizam zavladao u kršćanskom svijetu.Itd

[mikael_pasa]

Selam narode.Evo mene opet ovdje

Stavih ovu temu jer su danas 2 cinjenice karakteristicne za Islam

1. vjera koja se najbrze siri i koju mnogi uzimaju

2. odbojnost prema islamu od mnogih

Iz iskustva sam mogao vidjeti da odbojnost proizilazi zbog neznanja o Islamu i uticaja medija na ljude.

Zato bih vas molio da navedete razloge koji govore o tome

Две карактерестке савременог битовања ислама које си навео су контрадикторне и једна другу искључују. Наиме, не могу "многи" да прелазе на ислам и  "многи" да имају одбојнсот према исламу. Или "многи" прелазе на ислам а мањина има одбојност, или пак, мањина прелази на ислам а многи имају одбојност.

Што се тиче самог ширења ислама мислим да са ту највише ради у миграцијама и врло добром наталитету самих муслимана, за разлику од других. Појава примања ислама је много мања него што ти тврдиш (у набољем случају у истој је равни као и појава одрицања од ислама и прелазак у неку другу веру).

Моја замерка исламу јесте та што са својим учењем не успева да превазиђе историјску димензију човековог постојања. Ислам је идеја која остаје у границама овога света - јака држава, правда, итд. Дакле, више ми личи на жестоку социологију него на откривање Бога и будућег века (који је права истина човековог постојања).

po islamskom ucenju svrha andjeoskog,dzinskog i ljudskog postojanja je obozavanje Boga(jedan od Kuranskih ajeta o tome govori),i sve je tome podredjeno.kroz tu ideju se i proteze i ta socioloska prica o drustvenom uredjenju.sto se tice sirenja islama,neki malo uvelicaju,neki umanjuju.elem,svakodnevna je pojava prelazaka iz jedne u drugu veru.naravno,o tim ljudima koji prelaze iz vere u veru treba povesti racuna u smislu pravilnog verskog odgoja,jer se lako moze desiti da taj novi brat ili sestra budu pogresno indoktrinirani(sto se nazalost i dogadja).

[mikael_pasa]

Zasto onda nijednom muslimanu kasnijih vekova nije palo na pamet da uspostavi kosmopolitskog drustvo

iz zlatnog doba Kalifata sa pocetka 9. veka? Koje bi pocivalo na principima grckih polisa a ne organskih

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kao sto brat Eniz rece-muslimani su dobrim delom krivi.nismo bili na visini zadatka.posle je krenula kolonijalizacija,politizacija...opsti raspad.tako da se islam sveo na zemlje treceg sveta(koja ironija sudbine.mesto odakle su krenule prve civilizacije.pismo...religije,sad je odjednom treci svet).