Isaa a.s. (Isus) u Islamu

[Solomon Kane]

Још једном вас све молим да се држите теме...или говорите о Исусу у Исламу или пређите у већ постојеће топике у којима се говори о "научности курана"  па тамо разговарајте о овоме.Зашто увек мора да се наглашава исто?

[Александар Милојков]

Ово је само користан дискурс, вратићемо се ми на тему. :smiley:

[oslonac]

Селкоба, курански цитат уопште не говори да људи имају различите отиске. Ви то сами учитавате. Писац је ту чињеницу са јагодицама могао да наведе као Божију моћ да поново створи тако нешто ситно. Ту нема ни говора о знању да људи имају различите јагодице.

E trebalo je izričito pisati i jasno reći pa  da ne bude zablude...ukazano je i fokusirano na jagodice prstiju,da bi se pouka primila i da se jednog dana dođe do saznanja oko čega je baziran (fokus je dat na jagodice prstiju) dotični ajet.

Što se tiče istinitosti Kur`ana evo još jedan podatak: smatralo se da žena biva uzrokom kakvog će se pola dijete roditi,pa je zbog toga bila omalovažavana i odbacivana ukoliko bi rodila žensko dijete (ta vrsta primitivizma i dan danas postoji). Međutim,u Kur`anu se govori o tome da je samo muškarac zaslužan i od njegovog ejakulata ovisi kojeg će pola biti dijete.

Ako izbačena kap nosi Y hromozome, potomak će biti muško, ako ne, bit će žensko. Niko ko je živio u vrijeme Muhammeda, pa čak ni Darvin nije imao nikakvo znanje o takvoj genetici, koju je stoljećima ranije Kur’an iznio.

“I da On stvara par: muško i žensko,

Od kapi sjemena kada se izbaci.”

(Kur’an, 53:45,46)

Tako da muškarci koji misle drugačije nemaju nikakvo uporište u svojoj tvrdnji jer je to i savremena medicina dokazala.

Evo jedan stručni tekst:

-Vodeće teorije o polnoj selekciji se zasnivaju na činjenici da ćelije čoveka imaju 46 hromozoma, odnosno 23 para. Njih 44 ili 22 para - određuju boju kose, očiju, visinu... Jedan par, to jest dva hromozoma, koja se nazivaju polnim X i Y hromozomima - određuju pol osobe: XX je kombinacija za ženski, a XY za muški pol. Jajna ćelija uvek ima X  hromozom, dok spermatozoid može da ima X ili Y  hromozom.

-Pol deteta se određuje tokom začeća. Ako jajnu ćeliju oplodi spermatozoid sa X hromozomom - dobićete devojčicu, a ako spermatozoid sadrži Y hromozom - rodićete dečaka. Pol deteta, dakle, potpuno zavisi od spermatozoida koji je oplodio jajnu ćeliju.

-Sperma se sastoji od mešavine X i Y spermatozoida - koji se zbog svojih karakteristika nazivaju «postojani X» i «brzi Y» - a njihov odnos u spermi je otprilike 50:50.

[Milan Nikolic]

То може вама да буде занимљиво. Али, опрости, опет се не види ту нека битна ствар, нити некакво чудо које показује на генетику исл.

Сасвим је природно и од самога стварања уочљиво, да ,,семе'' представља зачеће мушкога или женскога. Ако је вама то толико занимљиво, нико вам не замера на томе. Али, за нас тако нешто није.

[Александар Милојков]

Ја стварно не знам какву науку они виде у овоме. Ко да је проблем било људима да виде да на прстима имају јагодице, као и да је трудноћа утрокована људском спермом.

Смешно. Ено поставио сам тему "Контрадикторности у курану", па погледајте како их људи од струке демистификују.

[Александар Милојков]

Ako izbačena kap nosi Y hromozome, potomak će biti muško, ako ne, bit će žensko. Niko ko je živio u vrijeme Muhammeda, pa čak ni Darvin nije imao nikakvo znanje o takvoj genetici, koju je stoljećima ranije Kur’an iznio.

“I da On stvara par: muško i žensko,

Od kapi sjemena kada se izbaci.”

(Kur’an, 53:45,46)

Ако овај ајет има везе са оним горе, ја сам Сандокан! Полако капирам о чпему се ради: вешто учитавање ствари. Никакву научну чињеницу не крије овај ајет, а да она није била позната тадашњој цивилизацији. Нема ни говора да се ту крије данашње знање о хромозомима. То је само неосновано учитавање. Одувек су људи знали да се од људског семена рађа мушко или женско. Још нешто: људско семе не садржи само овај или онај хромозом, већ увек заједно оба. Који ће жену оплодити, потпуна је случајност. То је и наука показала.

[Solomon Kane]

Па наравно да је,и то не баш много интелигентно, "учитавање" у питању. Само сам читао шта пишу о "научној основи" курана и слатко се смејао!  :smiley:

[šangaj]

Мене занима кавкву улогу јогодице, утврђивање пола детета и уопште доказивање науке кроз куран има са спасењем верника?

[selkoba]

sto brisete postove

[Solomon Kane]

Селкоба,или пиши на тему и не постављај туђа избрисана писанија или немој да пишеш!

[selkoba]

evo ovako da ne ismijavate dalje nego da se obrazujete u nauci

1981 godine na Univerzitetu u Koloradu su najpoznatiji naucnici medju kojim i embriolog Keith Moor koi su Kuranske Ajete ispitali i dali svoju izjavu

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In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man's embryonic development, 1,400 years before modern day scientists 'discovered' important information on creation of man and his development:

We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed-like substance)...

[Noble Quran 23:12-14]

Literally the Arabic word alaqah has 3 meanings:

leech

suspended thing

blood clot

1. "In comparing a leech to the embryo at the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two."

[The Developing Human p.8]

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"Also, the embryo as this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech which feeds on the blood of others."

[Human Development as Described in Quran and Sunnah p.36]

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2. The second meaning of the word alaqah is 'suspended thing'. The suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother very appropriately fits this description.

3. The third meaning of the word alaqah is 'blood clot'. We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage. Also during this stage the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week. So the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.

By examining a diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage we would notice the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo

[The Developing Human, p. 65]

So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means "chewed-like substance." If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his mouth, and then compare it with the embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that they would be almost identical because of the somites at the back of the embryo that 'somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance.'

How could Muhammad (peace be upon him) have possibly known all this 1,400 years ago when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells using an improved microscope in 1677 A.D. (more than 1,000 years after Muhammad, peace be upon him]. They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract

[The Developing Human, p.9]

Professor Keith Moore is one of the world's prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled the "Developing Human", which has been translated into eight languages. This book is considered a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by on person. Dr. Keith Moore is a Professor of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.

In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said; "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been the messenger of God, or Allah [The reference for this statement is on 'This is the Truth' (video tape). For a copy of this video tape please contact us].

Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question, "Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the Word of God?" He replied; "I find no difficulty in accepting this."

During one conference, Professor Moore stated, "... because the stagein of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and the Sunnah (sayings of Muhammad, peace be upon him). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and Hadith (reliably transmitted sayings and reports of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the 7th century A.D. Although Eric Statle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen's eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the stagein and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the 7th century A.D. The only reasonable conclusion is that these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training." [This is the Truth -video tape]

Think about the humans. How did we all get here? What is the nature of mankind? What causes us to act as we do? Are we ungrateful to the One who created us and sustains us? What is this clue? Think about yourself. Did you create yourself?

[selkoba]

izjave naucnika

http://www.scienceislam.com/scientists_quran.php

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Prof. Gerald G. Goeringer "..this description antedates by many centuries the recording of .. traditional scientific literature."

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Dr. Gerald C. Goeringer is Course Director and Associate Professor of Medical Embryology at the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Goeringer stated the following in the presentation of his research paper:

“In a relatively few ayahs (Quranic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development, such as classification, terminology, and description, existed previously. In most, if not all, instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature."

Prof. William W. Hey "I would think it must be [from] the divine being."

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Dr. William W. Hay is a well-known marine scientist. He is Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA. He was formerly the Dean of the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University of Miami, Miami, Florida, USA. After a discussion with Professor Hay about the Quran’s mention of recently discovered facts on seas, he said:

“I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Quran, and I have no way of knowing where they would come from, but I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and that this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages.”

And when he was asked about the source of the Quran, he replied: “Well, I would think it must be the divine being.”

Prof. T. V. N. Persaud "..this is a divine inspiration or revelation.."

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Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 180 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. Professor Persaud has included some Quranic verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad in some of his books - and presented these verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad at several conferences. When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following:

“...Muhammad .. could not read, didn’t know to write. - You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements - amazingly accurate about scientific nature. [so] many accuracies - I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these

Prof. E. Marshall Johnson "I see nothing in conflict that ...divine intervention was involved."

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Dr. E. Marshall Johnson is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. There, for 22 years he was Professor of Anatomy, the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute. He was also the President of the Teratology Society. He has authored more than 200 publications. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Johnson said in the presentation of his research paper:

[summary] "The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science."

Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”

Prof. Alfred Kroner "Someone 1400 years ago could not know the heavens and the earth had the same origin.."

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Professor Alfred Kroner who is one of the world's most famous geologists. He is a Professor of Geology and the Chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany. Professor Alfred said:

"Thinking about many of these questions and thinking where Muhammad came from, he was after all a Bedouin. I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case."

He also said: "Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here."

Prof. Keith Moore "It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah.."

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Keith L. Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy (department of surgery), former Chair of anatomy and associate dean for Basic Medical Sciences (Faculty of Medicine) at the University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He has also worked at the King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He is most known for his textbooks on the subjects of anatomy and human embryology.

"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God or Allah".

Prof. Joe Simpson "..knowledge in the Quran .. derived from God.”

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Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee, Memphis, Tennessee, USA. He was also the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Professor Simpson studied the following two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad:

[in every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...]

[if forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones....]

He studied these two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad extensively, noting that the first forty days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo-genesis. He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). Then, during one conference, he gave the following opinion:

“It follows, I think, that not only there is no conflict between genetics and religion but, in fact, religion can guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches, that there exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid, which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God.”

Prof. Yoshihide Kozai “I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in Quran."

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Dr. Yoshihide Kozai is Professor Emeritus at Tokyo University, Hongo, Tokyo, Japan, and was the Director of the National Astronomical Observatory, Mitaka, Tokyo, Japan. He said:

“I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in [the] Quran, and for us the modern astronomers have been studying very small pieces of the universe. We’ve concentrated our efforts for understanding of [a] very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts [of] the sky without thinking [about the] whole universe. So, by reading [the] Quran and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe.”

Prof. Tejatat Tejasen* "I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran 1400 years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means." He Makes Shahadah!

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Professor Tejatat Tejasen is the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at Chiang Mai University, Chiang Mai, Thailand. Previously, he was the Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the same university. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Tejasen stood up and said:

“During the last three years, I became interested in the Quran.... From my study and what I have learned from this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Quran fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means. Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth, which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible [as the] creator. This creator must be God. Therefore, I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger (Prophet) of Allah (God). Lastly, I must congratulate for the excellent and highly successful arrangement for this conference.... I have gained not only from the scientific point of view and religious point of view but also the great chance of meeting many well-known scientists and making many new friends among the participants. The most precious thing of all that I have gained by coming to this place is La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadur rasoolu Allah, and to have become a Muslim.”

[Александар Милојков]

evo ovako da ne ismijavate dalje nego da se obrazujete u nauci

1981 godine na Univerzitetu u Koloradu su najpoznatiji naucnici medju kojim i embriolog Keith Moor koi su Kuranske Ajete ispitali i dali svoju izjavu

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Брате, ја имам мозак и мало памети. То ми је довољно да закључим да ово што ви умишљате са Кураном и науком, да је обична небулоза. Кад је нешто тако очигледно као ово са отиском прстију и спермом, онда мени нису потребни никакви ауторитети да ме уче. Ено сам поставио тему о Курану и контрадикцијама. Тамо имаш и доста супротстављених ставова науке и Курана.

Данас сам разговарао са једним стручњаком за питања социологије религије. Питао сам гао о "експанзији ислама" у Европи. Човек каеже да је то измишљотина. Измишљотина, као и ове тврдње о научним истинама у Курану.

Стварно треба имати проблема са логиком па закључити да:

"Zar čovjek misli da kosti njegove nećemo sakupiti ? Hoćemo, Mi možemo stvoriti jagodice  prsta  njegovih, ponovo."

значи да је писац Курана знао да људи имају јединствене јагодице. То се из овог текста НЕ ВИДИ.

Такође,

“I da On stvara par: muško i žensko,

Od kapi sjemena kada se izbaci.”

из овога ишчитавати да писац Курана зна да постоје хромозоми, који одређују пол детета, је смешна тврдња.

То могу да верују само људи који су толико заслепљени оним што верују, да су изгубили сваки осећај за реалност и самокритичност.

Немам ништа против ваше вере, наравно, али немојте ове небулозе више просипати као нешто капитално. Није капитално већ је заиста смешно и говори више о вама него о Курану.

За даљу расправу на ову тему идемо овде: https://www.pouke.org/forum/index.php/topic,5421.0.html

На овој теми немојте више писати о овоме, већ само о ономе што је у теми насловљено.

[Milan Nikolic]

И заиста, када бисте били мало скромнији у таквим тумачењима Курана, имали бисте више резултата, не у броју верника, већ у квалитету живота и веровања.

[Александар Милојков]

Људи, браћо, рекох да са причом о Курану наставимо на теми о Курану. Дао сам горе линк. Овде је тема Исус по учењу ислама.