Kuran tvrdi da je zemlja okrugla

[Justin Waters]

Ако је наука у праву,Бог не постоји.

Врло просто.Бог је незамисливо научно-поетски пардоксалан.

Јер су живе Личности.

Ограничено не може да позна неограничено,док му се Неограничено не ОТКРИЈЕ.

Наука се уопште не бави питањем Бога. Постоје појединци научници који себи дају за право да тако тврде, али то је ништа него њихово лично и субјективно мишљење увјерење.

Према најновијим теоријама о великом праску, природи универзума, фракталном развоју, теорији хаоса...постоје научници који уопште не искључују Бога, тј не баве се истраживањем Бога, али тврде да је свемир могао имати иницијалне услове које су непознате науци и који су довели до слике универзума какву знамо, и да је постављач тих иницијалних услова нико други него сам Бог. Такођер имаш и тврдње неких научника који проналазе да је универзум устври једна "рачуналска" симулација чији програмер је опет сам Бог. Наука дакле нема механизама да потврди Бога, али нема механизама ни да Га избаци, негира.

Е сад нажалост оно што се дешава и што потиче једне Докинсе да пишу књиге "Божија обмана" су тврдње да је Бог створио свијет за 6 дана, да је свијет стар 6000 година и да је стврање текло баш по опису из постања...и наука јасно докаже да то није тако било...а онда неко настави да каже јесте то било, и то је Бог урадио..и Докинсу ништа друго не преостаје да каже, господо такав Бог непостоји.

[GeniusAtWork]

Ако је наука у праву,Бог не постоји.

Врло просто.Бог је незамисливо научно-поетски пардоксалан.

Јер су живе Личности.

Ограничено не може да позна неограничено,док му се Неограничено не ОТКРИЈЕ.

Ako je nauka ograničena, zašto onda uzimaš njene "tvrdnje" (pojma nemam šta to nauka tvrdi, al' nema veze) kao dokaz nepostojanja Boga, ako u sledećoj rečenici kažeš "...oграничено не може да позна неограничено"?

[sqny]

Ako je nauka ograničena, zašto onda uzimaš njene "tvrdnje" (pojma nemam šta to nauka tvrdi, al' nema veze) kao dokaz nepostojanja Boga, ako u sledećoj rečenici kažeš "...oграничено не може да позна неограничено"?

Valjda si do sada ukapirao Mariov stil - u pitanju je pesnicka sloboda

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Колико разумем,Мојсију је Бог открио Генезу,Језиком ондашњих Јевреја.

Nema u samom tekstu Postanja nikakvih indicija da je to pisao Mojsije a pogotovo ne da mu je to otkrio Bog... sta vise, oni koji izucavaju taj tekst ozbiljno su ubedjeni da je bilo vise razlicitih pisaca...

Vise o tome:

http://en.wikipedia....tary_hypothesis

[Марио Токовић]

Ako je nauka ograničena, zašto onda uzimaš njene "tvrdnje" (pojma nemam šta to nauka tvrdi, al' nema veze) kao dokaz nepostojanja Boga, ako u sledećoj rečenici kažeš "...oграничено не може да позна неограничено"?

Јер постоји наука и наука.

Наука открива неке чињенице,а онда се појаве експерти,које те чињенице префарбају у пинк-розе.И добијају аплаузе.

И када упоредиш молере са сликаром,природно заволиш сликара.

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Valjda si do sada ukapirao Mariov stil - u pitanju je pesnicka sloboda

Mene stil najvise podseca na Zgembu...

[grigorije22]

Alo ljudovi tema je Kuran a ne Biblija

Refuting lies about Islam

To respond to and refute some of the most widely spread false claims about Islam, the Prophet Muhammad and the teachings of the Quran. To also clarify the Islamic position on certain important issues

As-Salāmu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wabarakathuhu

May the Peace, Mercy and Blessings of God be upon you beautiful people

"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur'an 17:81]

Sunday, 27 July 2008

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Allegation that the Quran says the earth is flat

Regarding the allegation which is commonly made against the Quran, where websites and youtube videos allege the Quran says the earth is flat. The Quran does not say the world is flat.

Once again the allegation:

The Quran says that Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet. This gives an indication that the earth is flat. Does this not contradict established modern science?

1. Earth made as a carpet

The question refers to a verse from the Qur’an in Surah Nuh:

"And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 71, Verse 19

But the sentence in the above verse is not complete. It continues in the next verse, explaining the previous verse. It says: "That ye may go about therein, in spacious roads." The Holy Quran, Chapter 71, Verse 20

A similar message is repeated in Surah TaHa:

"He Who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels)...." The Holy Quran, Chapter 20, Verse 53

The surface of the earth i.e. earth’s crust is less than 30 miles in thickness and is very thin as compared to the radius of the earth which is about 3750 miles. The deeper layers of the earth are very hot, fluid and hostile to any form of life. The earth’s crust is a solidified shell on which we can live. The Quran rightly refers to it like a carpet spread out, so that we can travel along its roads and paths.

2. Carpet can also be spread on other than an absolute flat surface

Not a single verse of the Quran says that the earth is flat. The Quran only compares the earth’s crust with a carpet. Some people seem to think that carpet can only be put on an absolute flat surface. It is possible to spread a carpet on a large sphere such as the earth. It can easily be demonstrated by taking a huge model of the earth’s globe covering it with a carpet.

Carpet is generally put on a surface, which is not very comfortable to walk on. The Quran describes the earth crust as a carpet, without which human beings would not be able to survive because of the hot, fluid and hostile environment beneath it. The Quran is thus not only logical, it is mentioning a scientific fact that was discovered by geologists centuries later.

3. Earth has been spread out

Similarly, the Quran says in several verses that the earth has been spread out.

"And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: how excellently We do spread out!" The Holy Quran, Chapter 51, Verse 48

Similarly the Quran also mentions in several other verses that the earth is an expanse:

"Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse. And the mountains as pegs?" The Holy Quran, Chapter 78, Verse 6-7

None of these verses of the Quran contain even the slightest implication that the earth is flat. It only indicates that the earth is spacious and the reason for this spaciousness of the earth is mentioned. The Quran says:

"O My servants who believe! truly. spacious is My Earth: therefore serve ye Me –(And Me alone)!"

The Holy Quran, Chapter 29, Verse 56

Therefore none can give the excuse, that he could not do good and was forced to do evil because of the surroundings and circumstances.

4. Earth is geospherical in shape

The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: "And we have made the earth egg shaped". The Holy Quran, Chapter 79, Verse 30

The "dahu" in the Arabic Language means to extend and even out. It is said: "daha" the thing; "yad'hu dahwan". These terms can mean he either evened out and extended it or he threw it and rolled it. It is also said: "the rain daha the stones from the face of the earth," which means it rolled it and washed it away. It is also said: "The horse passed by yad'hu dahwan," which means he is beating his foot on the ground and yad'hu its sand. Also, the ostrich's mad'hi means its laying of its eggs, and "ad'hiha" is the nest where its chicks are born.

So as we clearly see, all of the above Arabic words that are derived from "daha" mean:

1- To extend.

2- To roll.

3- To even out.

4- Causing to become egg-shaped or creating, making or producing eggs (see the ostrich's mad'hi example above).

The meanings all derive from the root word in arabic, there is nothing wrong with applying all the meanings especially amazing in this situation seeing as they are all true. Arabic is a rich language and words usually have more then one meaning

The Arabic word dahaha in Noble Verse 79:30 above did have multiple meanings and uses. One of them was when one refers to an ostrich egg. Another was when referring to making something extended, spread out, stretched and/or expanded. This is an example of how Allah Almighty uses scientific notions in the Noble Quran when He talked about how He created certain things. He gave words that had multiple meanings and interpretations to them to make the Noble Quran truly be for all times and all places, and show it has deeper meanings. The meanings unravel more and more as scientific discoveries increase

The shape of the earth being similar to an oblate spheroid [ Also according to Wikipedia: "The Earth's shape is very close to an oblate spheroid—a rounded shape with a bulge around the equator—although the precise shape (the geoid) varies from this by up to 100 metres (327 ft)."

Eggs can be described as prolate spheroids, ovate spehroids or oblate spheroids. The fact is the word used in the Quran has particular root link to an ostrich egg

We are specifically observing an Ostrich egg which does resemble an Oblate Spheroid and NOT Prolate Spheroid. More over technical labeling is irrelevant since these are invented modern names that we ascribe to the earth. How would it make sense for God to describe the earth as an 'Oblate spheroid' 1400 years ago? Even if God were to describe the Earth as simply 'round' it would be incorrect. Describing the Earth as resembling an ostrich egg is very significant and precise as it was not only unique at the time but is still accurate and visually relevant

Thus its not just a case of bad translation, the words in arabic have multiple meanings and all cant be used at once however deeper analysis do show that all the meanings are accurate. This however is not likely to convince the non muslim who most probably thinks the muslims are stretching it abit and using words they want to use, which is their choice and is fair enough. But to say the verses are irrelevant is incorrect, they certainly have some merit

Thus the allegation is untrue, the Quran and modern established science are in perfect harmony.

And please if you prefer videos, check out the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HR5FcRDPbg&feature=related

Why does the Quran not go into detail about the crust?

The Quran is a book of science. The Quran does not need to go into detail about the crust, all we have to do is show that what it is saying does not go against established science. If the Quran gave scientific measurements and details about every little issue, it would be a million times bigger then it is and not be fit the the purpose it was revealed.

The description given was emphasising a certain point regarding the way the surface of the earth is vast and spread out, for which it uses the term carpet. This is clear from the context provided. The Quran then goes onto clarify the actual shape of the earth as being egg shaped. Both are clear, and not against established science. So if you read the whole Quran, and the particular verses in question it will be clear to you that in one part the surface is being referred to and in the other the shape of the earth is given, both put together or looked at seperatly are correct. Simple deduction will lead you to this.

The verses did not need to go into great deal about the intimate details because as i said it is not a book of science. The descriptions and words were made so they would be easy for the people of the time to understand, and be easy for us to understand today. This again is clear by virtue of the fact that the verses do not contradict any established scientific fact.

There is an allegation that the Quran copied from the greeks regarding this issue for some reason, we may aswell look at this claim even though there is no real evidence to support this allegation

Around 250 BC, the Greek mathematician Eratosthenes came to the conclusion that the earth was spherical. The actual fact however based on scienctific research is that the earths shape is oblate spheroid, which is a rotationally symmetric ellipsoid having a polar axis shorter than the diameter of the equatorial circle. Hence the earth is not a sphere, as was put forward by the greeks.

If what the anti islamists say is true, and Muhammad wrote the Quran and copied the greeks - why would he not actually copy what they said? I mean to say, surely he would also have written the earth is a sphere shape. In actual fact if we look at the Quran, it states the shape of the earh is egg shaped and not a sphere. The Quran mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse: "And we have made the earth egg shaped". The Holy Quran, Chapter 79, Verse 30

The shape of an egg being oblate spheroid, just like the earth. This clearly proves that the Quran did not copy from the greeks, because if it had it would have said the same thing, and not corrected the mistake the greeks had made. This information is not from the greeks, but is from the creator himself.

Posted by Leviathon at 20:15

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[Марио Токовић]

Ја користим песничку слободу,а неки песницу, као слободу,па ударају ниско.у Згембу.

Нема смисла,да се доваћамо испод појаса.

[w.a.mozart]

smorili se ljudi od kurana

[Justin Waters]

Не битно је је ли Куран или Библија, обе књиге су по изношењу нетачних научних тврдњи једнаке. Боље да се тема умјесто куран преименује убсакрални текстови.

Григорије што постављаш дугачке постове кад то нико неће читати?

[grigorije22]

Што постављаш дугачке постове кад то нико неће читати.

Nema nista krace.

[Марио Токовић]

Шта ли на све ово каже сам Мојсије,који је био са Христосом на гори Преображења.

Смирења никада доста.Зато буона ноте,мај диер брадерс.То би континуед...

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Ја користим песничку слободу,а неки песницу, као слободу,па ударају ниско.у Згембу.

Нема смисла,да се доваћамо испод појаса.

Svako bira svoj stil izrazavanja... mozda je i Zgembo pricao nesto toliko pametno da se ne moze tako lako dokuciti....

Sta da radim kad ne razumem pola stvari koje napises... a ovo nije tema o poeziji...

[Марио Токовић]

Кад смо већ код МОЈСИЈА...

Као што је Бог исписао Таблице Мојсијеве руком Арханђела Гаврила,

тако је исписао биолошку библију и утиснуо је у живи свет,десницом Својом.

А то значи да је иконично,утиснуо своју мудрост у ланац ДНК,

а ланац ДНК има своју логосност у мудрости Божијој.

Тај запис се чува путем транскрипције,потхрањен је у једру,попут светоотачког предања.

И ланац чува ту тајну и преноси је покољењима. Мејоза.Хаплоидан број.

А благовести се путем ланца И-РНК и Т-РНК,и шири даље и постаје делатан.Митоза.Диплоидан број.

Значи ДНК је јеванђеље билогије,а И-РНК,Т-РНК су посланице и дела Апостолака.

Интересантно је упоредити дело Апостола Јерме-Пастир,са функционисањем Т-РНК.

И тамо се гради Црква доношењем цигли и камења,од стране људи и Анђела

а овде свака Т-РНК доноси по циглу-а.киселину и гради се организам.

Значи мудрост је од Бога,а запис те мудрости је и у хромозомима.Али не само ту.

Тј. условно речено-ДНК је Отац и Син,двоструки ланац,међусобно препознавање,

И-РНК је Дух Свети,Т-РНК Анђели,Р-РНК људи.Ћелија-васељена,Црква,Царство.

П.С. грешка у преписивању ствара генофенотипске малфомације,

а у Цркви слична грешка ствара психосоматске малформације.

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Pa da vidis sada kol'ko puta mozemo unatoc svemu da odgovaramo...