Potop, argumenti za i protiv

[Млађони]

Da al je problem sto fosili skoljki jasno ukazuju da su zakopane zive, a ne da su umrle prirodnom smrcu, pa polako se tamo talozile itd itd.

cak i marko bulat zna da je to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPNfIeZBEIU

[winux59]

cak i marko bulat zna da je to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPNfIeZBEIU

naravno da to nije laz. samo sto na to nemas odgovor.

[Млађони]

naravno da to nije laz. samo sto na to nemas odgovor.

Brale... ajde idi kopiraj neki tekst nesto.....to ti ide bolje nego diskusija.

Jasno ukazuje.... da neki ljudi mogu da lazu i da ih nije sramota. To jasno ukazuje.

[winux59]

Brale... ajde idi kopiraj neki tekst nesto.....to ti ide bolje nego diskusija.

Jasno ukazuje.... da neki ljudi mogu da lazu i da ih nije sramota. To jasno ukazuje.

Evo, mislim da ne bude da lazem

2 Peter 3:3-8 tells us that people who scoff at the Bible are “willingly ignorant” of the Creation and the Flood. In order to understand science and the Bible, we must not be ignorant of those two great events in Earth’s history.

1. Over 270 Flood legends from all parts of the world have been found. Most have many similarities to the Genesis story.

2. Scoffers point out that 300-foot sailing ships leak. However, Noah’s ark was built only to float, not to sail anywhere. Many ark scholars believe that the ark was a “barge” shape, not a pointed “boat” shape. This would greatly increase the cargo capacity.

3. Even using the small 18-inch cubit (my height is 6-foot 1-inch and I have a 21-inch cubit) the ark was large enough to hold all the required animals, people, and food with room to spare.

4. The length-to-width ration of 6 to 1 is what shipbuilders often use today. This is the best ratio for stability in stormy weather. (God thinks of everything!)

5. The ark may have had a “moon-pool” in the center. The larger ships would have a hole in the center of the bottom of the boat with walls extending up into the ship. There are several reasons for this feature:

a) It allowed water to go up into the hole as the ship crested waves. This would be needed to relieve strain on longer ships.

B) The rising and lowering water acted as a piston to pump fresh air in and out of the ship. This would prevent the buildup of dangerous gasses from all the animals on board and supply fresh air.

c) The hole was a great place to dump garbage into the ocean without going outside.

6. The ark may have had large drogue (anchor) stones suspended over the sides to keep it more stable in rough weather. Many of these stones have been found in the region where the ark landed. See video #3 of our Seminar Series.

7. Noah lived 950 years! Many bible scholars believe the pre-Flood people were much larger than modern man. Skeletons over 11 feet tall have been found! If Noah were taller, his cubit (elbow to fingertip) would have been much larger also. This would make the ark larger by the same ratio. See video #3 for more details.

8. God told Noah to bring two of each kind (seven of some), not of eachspecies or variety. Noah had only two of the dog kind which would later become the wolves, coyotes, foxes, mutts, etc. The “kind” grouping is probably closer to our modern family division in taxonomy, and would greatly reduce the number of animals on the ark. Animals have diversified into many varieties in the last 4400 years since the Flood. This diversification is not anything similar to great claims that the evolutionists teach.

9. Noah did not have to get the animals. God brought them to him (Genesis6:20, “shall come unto thee”). Also, the pre-Flood world had more exposed land and less water. (See video #6)

10. Only land-dwelling, air-breathing animals with nostrils had to be included on the ark. (Genesis 7:15, 7:22) Noah did not need to take insects.

11. Many animals sleep, hibernate, or become very inactive during bad weather or confinement and therefore consume less food.

12. All animals (and people) were vegetarians before and during the Flood according to Genesis 1:29-30 with Genesis 9:3.

13. The pre-Flood people were probably much smarter and more advanced than people today. The longer life-spans, Adam’s pre-programmed mind and direct contact with God, and the fact that they could glean the wisdom of many generations that were still alive would greatly expand their knowledge base.

14. The Bible says that the highest mountains were covered by 15 cubits of water. This is half the height of the ark. The ark was safe from scraping bottom at all times. (Smart God!)

15. The large mountains, as we have them today, did not exist until after the Flood when the mountains arose and the valleys sank down (Psalms 104:5-9, Genesis 8:3-8).

16. There is enough water in the oceans right now to cover the earth 8,000 feet deep in the surface of the earth were smooth.

17. Many claim to have seen the ark in recent times in the area in which the Bible says it landed. There are two primary schools of thought about the actual site of the ark. (see my Creation Seminar Part 3 video for more on this). Much energy and time has been expended to prove both views. Some believe the ark is on Mt. Ararat, covered by snow (CBS showed a one-hour special in 1993 about this site). The other group believes the ark is seventeen miles south of Mt. Ararat in a valley called “the valley of eight” (8 souls on the ark). The Bible says the ark landed in the “mountains” of Ararat, not necessarily on the mountain itself. (See www.wyattmuseum.com for this).

18. The continents were not separated until 100-300 years after the Flood(Genesis 10:25). The people and animals had time to migrate anywhere on earth by then. (See video #6)

19. The top 3,000 feet of Mt. Everest (from 26,000-29,000 feet) is made u p of sedimentary rock packed with seashells and other ocean-dwelling animals.

20. Sedimentary rock is found all over the world and formed in water.

21. Petrified clams in the closed position testify to their rapid burial while they were still alive.

22. Bent rock layers, fossil graveyards, oil, coal, and polystrate fossils are best explained by a Flood.

[Јаков.]

Pesma o Potopu

Beše jednom da ga više nije

potop takav koji sve ubije.

Zbog naravni ljudske što je pala

moro potop da očisti zala.

Da istrebi one što se bune

svakog čojka što Božanstvo kune.

Podigla se voda iz zemljice

da umije Zemlja svoje lice.

Da opere nečistoću srama

opet Zemlja da ostane sama.

Da sve počne kao što je bilo

samo Nebo, Zemlja i Ognjilo.

Da od jednog opet bude mnoštvo

tako beše veliko proroštvo.

Noje znao pa sagradi barku

što je sada znamo kao Arku.

Od svakoga što po zemlji miče

ocu Noju hvalu svoju kliče.

što je njima sačuvao vrstu

sad se klanja i Bogu i Krstu.

[Млађони]

21. Petrified clams in the closed position testify to their rapid burial while they were still alive.

To sto pise negde ne cini ga istinom. Ti si mi samo dao da neko kaze isto sto i ti. Sto opet ne svedoci o poplavi. To sto su na jednom mestu neke skoljke pomrle naglo zakopane ne znaci da je bila globalna poplava.

ne znam otkud tebi to...

[Avocado]

Da al je problem sto fosili skoljki jasno ukazuju da su zakopane zive, a ne da su umrle prirodnom smrcu, pa polako se tamo talozile itd itd.

Ogromna vecina zivih bica na zemlji ne umre prirodnom smrcu. Ne znam zasto bi bio problem da nalazimo fosile koji nisu umrli prirodnom smrcu?

Odakle ti ideja da su sve skoljke "zive zakopane", da fosili ukazuju na to i kakve to ima veze sa bilo cim?

Covece, skoljke i druge morske fosile nalazimo u sedimentima za koje po mnogim drugim karakteristikama vidimo da su nekada bili morsko dno. Na ogromnom broju sedimenata za koje je jasno da nisu bili morsko dno, ne nalazimo morske fosile. Po teorijama Snelinga i slicnih imbecila, trebalo bi da morske fosile nalazimo bez obzira na sastav sedimenta, jer ako su se okeani tako podigli da predju visinu svih planinskih vrhova, ne bi trebalo da bude pravila gde ce da razbacaju skoljke.

Zaista je toliko jednostavno...

Sta mislis da bi dobio neke nagrade a da ne zna ono sto znaju mala deca?

Ma zna on... video si vec na onom link da on pise i normalne naucne radove ponekad u kojima pise da je istina sve ono sto inace negira... samo se pravi glup kad treba... u tome i jeste problem.

A sto se nagrada tice, to sam izgleda preskocio... koje nagrade???

[Avocado]

Evo jednog kreacionistickog predavanja.Prvi deo

[Ignjatije]

Avocado,najverovatnije nisi odgledao predavanje do kraja,ima interesantnih stvari naravno i gluposti.Ono o brzom okamenjivanju stvari i uglju zaista zahteva odgovore.Prica o kanjonima je VEOMA zanimljiva.Naravno ja licno ne verujem u 6000 godina starosti Zemlje,ali ne verujem ni u 5000000000.Predavanje pruza veliki broj dokaza za Potop.Zavisi iz kog ugla gledas cinjenice

[Млађони]

.Prica o kanjonima je VEOMA zanimljiva.

Mozda ako bas nemas pojma o cemu pricaju. Tako i meni neklad sve to bilo zanimljivo i dobar argument i dokaz... i uvek je tako dok ne sagledas supronostu stranu.. a onda.. onda ti u glavi osvane "they are lying to us!!!!!!" i shvatis koliko su ti smejurije.

Naravno ja licno ne verujem u 6000 godina starosti Zemlje,ali ne verujem ni u 5000000000.Predavanje pruza veliki broj dokaza za Potop.

NA osnovu cega ne verujes i trenutn ustarost zemlje? JEl shvatas da ljudi koji sumnjaju u trenutno nuacnu procenu starosti zemlje veruju da je stara 6 000 godina alternative trece nema. ILi verujes dokazima i uzimas trenutnu procenu ili odbacas dokaze prihvatis spekulacije i verujes u 600.

Btw, ti dokazi za potop.. opet kada malo saslushash vremenom vise argumenata i drugu stranu price do kraja shvatis da to nisu bas dokazi za potop.. vise neke cinjenice koje su ti ispracane tako da zvuce kao dokazi za kojekakvi potop.

p.s. st ose potopa tice, dovoljno je iskoristiti zdrav razum da ti bude jasno da NIKAKO nije mogo da napravi jedan covek 900 godina star sa svojih pet sinova BROD koji bi plovio devet meseci i nosio sve zivotinje po jednu vrstu.

Evo jedan prikaz koliko je to luckasta ideja:

Malo ti "lupaju:" po hriscanstvu ali ignorisi to i pogledaj koliko je nerazumno da to bude istina.

[Avocado]

Iskomentarisacu samo meni narocito istinite budalastine iz tog spiska.

Evo, mislim da ne bude da lazem

21. Petrified clams in the closed position testify to their rapid burial while they were still alive.

Irelevantno je da li lazes ili prenosis tudje lazi... ja sam tek sad skontao da je dokaz da su skoljke bile "zive zakopane" samo zato sto su zatvorene... Odakle vam takva blesava ideja?

7. Noah lived 950 years!

"He lived to be 950 years old, but they never mention that in sermons--because we might think it's bullshit!" - Jim Jeffries

8. God told Noah to bring two of each kind (seven of some), not of eachspecies or variety. Noah had only two of the dog kind which would later become the wolves, coyotes, foxes, mutts, etc. The “kind” grouping is probably closer to our modern family division in taxonomy, and would greatly reduce the number of animals on the ark.

Jos kad bi kreacionisti umeli bar da daju neku definiciju toga sta je "kind"... onda bi njihove tvrdnje imale smisla...

Animals have diversified into many varieties in the last 4400 years since the Flood. This diversification is not anything similar to great claims that the evolutionists teach.

Da. Naucnici nikada ne bi odvalili takvu budalastinu... posto za razliku od kreacionista umeju da broje tj. sabiraju, oduzimaju, mnoze, pa cak i da dele. I znaju sta se dobija kad podelis i nanize procenjene cifre vrsta na Zemlji sa cifrom od 4400.

Prosto ne budu retardiran i podeli pa ces videti koliko je po kreacionistima dnevno nastajalo novih vrsta.

10. Only land-dwelling, air-breathing animals with nostrils had to be included on the ark. (Genesis 7:15, 7:22) Noah did not need to take insects.

Jel imas uopste ideju koliko insekata ne bi moglo da prezivi Potop?

18. The continents were not separated until 100-300 years after the Flood(Genesis 10:25). The people and animals had time to migrate anywhere on earth by then. (See video #6)

Da li je moguce da iko normalan veruje u ovo?

Daj mi molim te link za taj video #6, hocu da vidim kako izgleda lenjivac na speedu i steroidima...

22. Bent rock layers, fossil graveyards, oil, coal, and polystrate fossils are best explained by a Flood.

I zato naftne i rudarske komapnije unajmljuju svestenike a ne geologe kada traze nove busotine/rudnike.

[Avocado]

Avocado,najverovatnije nisi odgledao predavanje do kraja,ima interesantnih stvari naravno i gluposti.Ono o brzom okamenjivanju stvari i uglju zaista zahteva odgovore.Prica o kanjonima je VEOMA zanimljiva.Naravno ja licno ne verujem u 6000 godina starosti Zemlje,ali ne verujem ni u 5000000000.Predavanje pruza veliki broj dokaza za Potop.Zavisi iz kog ugla gledas cinjenice

Stvarno nisam imao strpljenja da gledam do kraja... trebalo mu je 20 minuta da iznese prve argumente i bili su krajnje neozbiljni...

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Evo jedan prikaz koliko je to luckasta ideja:

Ne znam kako sam propustio ovaj klip od TTA... dobar je... ali Ainulindale-ov mi je i dalje omiljeni (uz Izzarda)... britanski humor ipak rules...

[winux59]

Mozda ako bas nemas pojma o cemu pricaju. Tako i meni neklad sve to bilo zanimljivo i dobar argument i dokaz... i uvek je tako dok ne sagledas supronostu stranu.. a onda.. onda ti u glavi osvane "they are lying to us!!!!!!" i shvatis koliko su ti smejurije.

Zapitaj se koja strana laze.

NA osnovu cega ne verujes i trenutn ustarost zemlje? JEl shvatas da ljudi koji sumnjaju u trenutno nuacnu procenu starosti zemlje veruju da je stara 6 000 godina alternative trece nema. ILi verujes dokazima i uzimas trenutnu procenu ili odbacas dokaze prihvatis spekulacije i verujes u 600.

Malo vise od 6000. 90 posto dokaza nam govori da je Zemlja mlada 10 posto da je stara. Za tih 10 su culi svi, za ovih 90 niko. Zasto?

Btw, ti dokazi za potop.. opet kada malo saslushash vremenom vise argumenata i drugu stranu price do kraja shvatis da to nisu bas dokazi za potop.. vise neke cinjenice koje su ti ispracane tako da zvuce kao dokazi za kojekakvi potop.

Kao na primer 270 raznih legendi o potopu? Grand kanjon, i sve ostalo sto je Sneling naveo, al ti nemas vremena da pogledas video, naveo si jednu stvar koju smatras netacnom, i ti si sad veci strucnjak od Snelinga?

p.s. st ose potopa tice, dovoljno je iskoristiti zdrav razum da ti bude jasno da NIKAKO nije mogo da napravi jedan covek 900 godina star sa svojih pet sinova BROD koji bi plovio devet meseci i nosio sve zivotinje po jednu vrstu.

Naravno dovoljno je iskoristiti zdrav razum i ne poverovati u tako glup video, da je bilo preko 4 miliona zivotinja covece. Dalje da su na brodu bile grabljiivice i zrtve, da Noje nije mogao da ih skupi na brog, i tako dalje, zar nismo to vec odgovorili? I svugde isti argumetni protiv potopa.

Jel potop bio prirodni ili natprirodni dogadjaj?

Ti mislis da je potop bio izazvan od Boga natprirodnim putem, zasto onda mislis da bi Noje bio toliko glup da ne zna da treba da uzme mladunce od svih zivotinja, a bog nije mogao sve zivotinje da stavi u stanje hibernacije, kao sto to rade medvedi?

To sto si ti stavio tako glup video prepun netacnih informacija, ili ti mozda verujes u taj video?

Do pre par godina nisam mogao da verujem da ce se ispuniti prorocanstvo da će se u zadnje vreme pojaviti “rugači” koji će živeti po svojim željama, A koji su to rugači.”..znajući pre svega ovo da će u poslednje dane doći RUGAČI s ruganjem i živeti po požudama i govoriti:>Gde je obećanje njegova dolaska? jer otkako su očevi usnuli, sve stoji tako, kako je bilo od početka stvorenja (uniformizam)”(2.Petr.3:3.4). Očigledno je da rugači imaju nameru da pokolebaju veru hrišćana u obećani Dolazak Hrista.Bez obzira na zablude ovih rugača Dolazak Isusa Hrista zauzima važno mesto u Božjoj Reči.

Koliko je nerazumno da primitivni i glupi ljudi (po teoriji evolucije) naprave piramide, na primer.

Da piramide danas ne postoje, i to bi bilo nerazumno poverovati da postoje.

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Није баш, ту има пуно забуне. Ево овде лепе емисије о томе шта се тачно десило:

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