Sve sto ste htjeli da znate o monastvu istocnom i zapadnom!

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Ovdje je veza na post koji je povezan s ovim, tamo su još dva videa, primjera karolinškog pojanja:

https://www.pouke.org/forum/topic/8906-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D1%85%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%88%D1%9B%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%98%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B8-%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8/page__st__132#entry637529

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Na ovom postu je bilo riječi o njemačkoj cistercitskoj opatiji Himmerod ali videa nisu preživjela konverziju na novi Forum, sad su međutim opet aktualna jer ih trebam kao prezentaciju tradicije karolinškog pojanja gregforijanskog korala. Sad se ograničim samo na ta videa a ostali tekst potom možete pročitati ovdje:

Opatija Himmerod - Abtei Himmerod

Opatija Himmerod - slavna njemačka kćerka

činorodne bosanske majke Opatije Mariastern

https://www.pouke.org...om/page__st__36

Lateinische Sonntagsvesper mit sakramentalem Segen

in der Zisterzienserabtei Himmerod am 2. Juni 1991.

Latinska nedeljna večernja služba Časoslova s izlaganjem

Presvetog Oltarskog Sakramenta u opatiji Himmerod 2.6.1991.

Dakle upravo ovo što čujete na ova četri videa nije ništa drugo

nego baš to "misteriozno i famozno" KAROLINŠKO POJANJE.

A ono je kako sam rekao samo jednim od tipova Gregorijanskog korala.

A zašto se Gregorijanski koral naziva Gregorijanskim koralom iako ga Papa

Grgur ili Gregorije Veliki nije ni izmislio i sve ostalo vezano za Gregorijanski koral

o tom vam napišem u posebnom postu. Ustvari prevedem vam serijal članaka

koji sam već najavio a započnem s tim negdje krajem maja, znači uskoro to bude.

Cistercian monks Himmerod Vespers 1-4

Svečana služba nedeljne večernje u opatiji Himmerod.

Lateinische Sonntagsvesper mit sakramentalem Segen

in der Zisterzienserabtei Himmerod am 2. Juni 1991.

Kloster Himmerod Vesper 1/4

Kloster Himmerod Vesper 2/4

Kloster Himmerod Vesper 3/4

Kloster Himmerod Vesper 4/4

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Zanimnljivo da u tom manastiru Weingarten o kojem sam gore

postavio video s primjerog tog njihovog karolinškog pojanja služi

i jedan bizantinokatolički monah, benediktin, V.Nikolaj Dorner OSB.

http://www.st-martin-oberteuringen.de/byzanz.htm

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Ponovo se vratimo tim indijskim benediktinima iz opatije Sveti Toma Apostol iz Kerale i razgledamo im malo crkvu. Crkva Preobraženja Gospodnjeg, Church of Transfiguration je u indijskom orijentalnom stilu, nije velika ali zato veoma ljupko izgleda i vrlo lijepo je ukomponovana i "zasađena" u prekrasan okolni prirodni ambijent. Po predanju je Sveti Apostol Toma evangelizirao Indiju i zato tamo mnoge crkve i manastiri nose njegovo ime njemu u počast. Oni tamo imaju nekakvu bogosloviju ili seminar, srednju bogoslovsku školu izgleda i s novicijatom, to objašnjava zašto je tamo toliko mnogo mladića. Neki su već u mantijama, valjda mlada braća, iskušenici i novici. Neki su izgleda kandidatima, postulantima, to valjda oni u bijelim košuljama. A ima i dosta laika koji kako sam ja shvatio tamo nešto rade i tako si zarađuju za stan i hranu a istovremeno hodaju i na molitve i nauče se nešto iz bogoslovlja i vjeronauka. To su oni tamo pozadi, sasvim normalno, civilno obučeni. Monaški redovi ih imaju pravo držati a takvi se potom nemonaški članovi nazivaju konvertima, oni mogu i otići iz manastira i oženiti se. Monaška pravila su dužni obdržavati samo dok su u manastiru, ne polažu nikakve zavjete i ne smatraju se monasima u pravom smislu riječi, dakle nešto slično kao što to imaju i budisti. Kod njih se također može u manastiru biti samo privremeno, na par godina pa se potom vratiti u svijet i zasnovati porodicu, znači ući u zakonitu crkvenu bračnu vezu, dakle mogu se vjenčati i crkveno bez ikakvih problema jer nisu bili nikakvim monasima. Taj prvi njihov video s crkvom, tim hramom sam morao ja preirediti i staviti novu muziku kao pozadinu jer ta koja je tamo na originalnom snimku je strašna! Valjda neko dijete im to radilo, od 15-17 godina ili tako nešto. Tamo prikazuje te oltarne krstove na primjer a u pozadini "mlati" ABBA svojim hitom Money, money, money i još k tome u dancing version, disco-dance remake, OMG! Možda je dijete mislilo da tamo to što je pisalo ABBA ima nekakve veze sa ABBEY - opatija pa zato tamo stavilo baš njih, tko to sad zna? Ili da tako izgleda moderna evropska duhovna muzika, hahahaha! Ja sam tamo stavio jednu našu, slovensku Hvalite Boga, prvo sam probao staviti nekakve javanske zvončiće ali ti bili tako dosadni, pravo na smrt dosadni, strašno nešto, te zvončiće potom slušat cijelih 13 minuta, svi vi bi sigurno pozaspali da sam ih ostavio tamo. Istina ti orijentalni javanski zvončići bi više odgovarali videu ali kako rekoh, takva je to smrtna dosada bila pa sam onda radije tamo postavio tu neku blisku našem duhu, slovensku, hrišćansku, duhovnu jer valja to potom slušati skoro 15 minuta a ova se sasvim lijepo uklopila s kadrovima. kao da je bila izmišljena specijalno za taj film. Ta djeca i mladunčad ljudska, pa i ta hrišćanska su svugdje ista, izgleda, traje im to dosta dugo dok se nečem ne priuče. Do tada ih se treba tolerisati i biti strpljiv s njima ali i stalno poučavati, šta drugo, na njima hrišćanstvo ostaje. Zavisi to i na nama, čemu ih naučimo, naučiti stignemo ili ne naučimo to će potom oni sami znati ili ne znati a cijelo će to hrišćanstvo u budućnosti poslije nas izgledati tačno tako onako kako smo ga mi ostavili toj djeci. Drugi video je skraćeni prikaz Evharistijske liturgije u sirsko-malabarskom obredu kojim se tamo služe. Ramo ispod videa je i adresa pa im možete poslati i čestitku za Božić i reći im kako vam se svidjela njihova crkva i liturgija, taman je za to vrijeme. Ako je pošaljete sada do Božića će valjda stići na vrijeme. Ja sam tako poslao jednom svom prijatelju u Australiji čestitku za Božić a ta mu stigla za Uskrs jer kad su me pitali kako hoću da pošaljem, obično ili express, ja rekao obično, express bilo mnogo skupo. Tko bio znao da to traje nekoliko mjeseci onda da dođe do Australije. Obična posšta tad prije desetak godina išla brodovima a expressna avionima. Tako je to bilo nekada, no sada čujem da izgleda sva pošta ide avionima, nikakva se više ne šalje brodovima, tako to onda imate sreću, hahahaha!

Opatija svetog Tome

Church Of Transfiguration

St. Thomas Benedictine Abbey

Kappadu P.O, Kottayam, 686 508

Kerala, INDIA

Celebration Of Syro-Malabar Mass

in St. Thomas Benedictine Abbey Church Kappadu

Celebration of Syro-Malabar Mass - An edited (shortened) version.

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Sad još ispravka, ti KONVERTI o kojim je bila riječ se ustvari ispravno zovu KONVERZI (CONVERSI), izgleda još na snazi moja profesionalna deformacija, još iz vremena kad sam radio kao bankar na deviznim depozitima, tada sam ja svaki dan jedino to i radio, samo konvertovao i preračunavao konvertibilne valute, hahahaha! Dakle CONVERSI! Ustvari obe riječi znače to isto, obraćenog čovjeka, obraćenika. Jedino se konvert(it) upotrebljava u smislu obraćenja recimo sa ateizma, islama, židovstva na hrišćanstvo ili s protestantizma na pravoslavlje, na primjer a riječ convers - konvers ili konverz označava osobu koja nije a niti mjenja svoju vjeru ali mjenja svoj odnos k njoj, iz pasivne i nezainteresirane osobe se mjenja, "obraća" i postaje praktičnim vjernikom. Bez tog unutrašnjeg obraćenja nema ni monaštva a u manastirima mogu živjeti i na takav život su pozvani samo takvi koji shvataju da je obraćenje svakodnevni nikad završeni proces i žele stalno, bez prestanka na tome i sa sobom nešto u tom smislu raditi i napredovati u vjeru i dodržavati Jevanđeljske savjete. Ovdje imate takva njihova pravila, za cistercitske konverze na engleskom pa možete vidjeti o čemu se radi. slična imaju i benediktini, samo što kod cistercita ima više molitve i meditacije u samoži i tišini a liturgija im je skromnija malo, kod benediktina je glavna liturgija, ta ima biti najsvečanija što može a potom rad, Ora et labora, Moli se i radi. A meditacije i molitve u tišini i samoći ima također ali ona nije obaveznom i a ni u toj istoj mjeri zastupljena kao kod cistercita, dakle ima je i tamo kod benediktina ali manje nego kod cistercita. Ova pravila se odnose na ON-LINE komunitu od tridesetak američkih cistercitskih konverza koji žive u svijetu a putem emaila i interneta dobivaju instrukcije od monaha zaduženih za njih. Poslije određenog vremena, kad iskušaju takav život u sekularnim uslovima, kod kuće, mnogi oni koji nemaju nekakvih zapreka zaista i odu u taj manastir i tamo nastave živjeti punim cistercitskim životom kao konverzi ili kao monasi. dakle nešto slično kao što su ti svjetovni redovi, tj. Treći Red, Tercijari kod franjevaca, dominikanaca, servita, karmelićana itd. Pri tom Prvi Red je oznaka za muški red, svejedno koji, franjevački, dominikanski, servitski, karmelićanski itd. Drugi Redovi su ženskim redovima svih ovih zajednica a Treći Redovi, tj. trećoreci su ti njihovi konversi/konverzi koji najčešće ostaju živjeti u svijetu ali ima ih i takvih koji žive u posebnim komunama, komunitama, zajednicama pa čak i takvih koji su se uspjeli sasvim etablirati kao nezavisan monaški red kao na primjer franjevački regularni (manastirski) trećoreci, TOR (Tertius Ordo Regularis S. Francisci), kod nas poznati pod nazivom franjevci trećoredci glagoljaši jer su svu liturgiju imali na staroslovenskom a glavno pisali, prepisivali i širili glagoljaške liturgijske knjige i glagoljašku liturgiju. O tome napišem nešto više u jednom od sljedećih javljanja. Za sada možete pogledati bar ove linkove, nakon toga će vam biti jasni ti pojmovi monah, trećoredac i regularni trećoredac, ti regularni su znači također opet monasima. No, redovničke harizme su im vrlo različite, monasi u Prvim redovima, znači ti pravi su dosta svezani kanonima i mnogo toga ne urade ako za to ne dobiju dozvolu odozgor, poslušanje je tu mnogo veće, kao u vojsci recimo ako ne i veće, dok su ti regularni trećoredci više takvim liberalnim alternativcima kojima je najvažnije biti vezan uz narod, obični svijet, u pozitivnom smislu te riječi. Oni su uvijek bili više samoinicijativni i mobilniji, svuda u u centru događanja, društvenih zbivanja, i ne moraju po svojoj naturi i tradiciji baš za sve tražiti odobrenja od provincijala i biskupa ili na njih čekati, na odobrenja ili naređenja, kao ti monasi prvog reda. To je i razlog zašto su svi bili glagoljašima jer nisu živjeli iza debelih manastirskih zidina i zaključani već po gradovima i selima zajedno sa svijetom, vezani za običan narod, njihovi manastiri su bili uvijek otvoreni svima.

http://www.franjevci...g&id=1&Itemid=7

http://hr.wikipedia....edci_glagoljaši

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Franciscan

http://wiki.francisc...d_Order_Regular

http://wiki.francisc...ranciscan_Order

http://www.francescanitor.org/

http://www.francesca...ns_tor_blog.php

The Conversi Way of Life: Constitutions

Preface

P. 1 The holy abbots Robert of Molesme, Alberic and Stephen Harding gave the Benedictine tradition a particular form when in 1098 they built the New Monastery of Cîteaux, the Mother of us all, and founded the Cistercian Order. About 1125, Saint Stephen established the nuns' monastery of "Tart", as Cîteaux's own daughter-house, entrusted to the pastoral care of the abbot of this monastery. The Exordium Parvum and The Charter of Charity express the vocation and mission that the founders received from God which the Church has authoritatively approved both in their times and in ours. Under the influence of Saint Bernard of Clairvaux and others the ideal of this reform spread and monasteries of monks and nuns following the Cistercian way of life multiplied even beyond western Europe. From the very beginning the Order received lay memers, called conversi. A substantial spiritual heritage was engendered through the lives and labours of innumerable brothers and sisters that found expression in writing, chant, architecture and crafts, and in the skilful management of their lands.

P. 2 In recent decades, more and more men and women who have been attracted to the Cistercian virtues, but unable, for one reason or another to commit to a cloistered life have responded to a call from the Holy Spirit to establish charismatic associations with monasteries, and through them to the wider Cistercian community.

Today, a lay Cistercian is a person who feels a calling from God to lead a contemplative and spiritual life in the world, a life modeled on the wisdom of Cistercian values and practices, and who seeks a community of like-minded people. The Conversi on-line community is a "daughter house" of the Associates of the Iowa Cistercians and as such is in association with the monasteries of New Melleray and Our Lady of the Mississippi.

CHAPTER ONE

The Conversi Way of Life

C. 1 The Tradition of Conversi

The Cistercian Order of the Strict Observance has its origin in that monastic tradition of evangelical life that found expression in the Rule for Monasteries of Saint Benedict of Nursia. The founders of Cîteaux gave this tradition a particular form and the monasteries of the Strict Observance strongly defended certain of its principles. In 1995 a group of individuals who felt called to Cistercian values and practices, gathered at the Trappist Abbey of Our Lady of New Melleray at the initiative of it's abbot, to form the Associates of Iowa Cistercians (AIC). In 2005 AIC decided to establish a daughter community for people who, for various reasons, found it difficult or impossible to gather for the monthly meeting. At present membership in Conversi is limited to 50 people from various parts of the world.

C. 2 The Nature and Purpose of Conversi

Conversi is an on-line community comprised of individuals living in the world who order their lives towards contemplation. Gathered by the call of God, they dedicate themselves to the worship of God within the world. There they strive to lead a life of prayer by following the Rule of Saint Benedict in order to apply Christ's message of love and service. Attentive to God's Word and responsive to the Holy Spirit, they strive to practice self-denial in following Christ. The organization of the Conversi community is directed to bringing its members into a closer union with Christ since it is only through the experience of personal love for the Lord Jesus that the specific gifts of the Cistercian vocation can flower. Membership in Conversi is open to all Christian adults.

C. 3 The Spirit of Conversi

The monastery is a school of the Lord's service where Christ is formed in the hearts of its members While members of Conversi are not cloistered, but live in the world, it is essential that they maintain a relationship with the sponsoring Abbeys through regular participation in formation forums and chat rooms. Members are also encouraged to visit one of the monasteries for personal retreats, as time is available.

The Cistercian way of life in the world is a consecration to God expressed in relationships, community, prayer, work and a disciplined life. Living in the world and following in the footsteps of the Cistercians of the Strict Observance, members of the Conversi community aspire to that interior quiet in which wisdom is born. Through humility and obedience they struggle against pride and sin.

C. 4 Committed Lifestyle

By making a personal commitment, Conversi members unite with other members of Conversi, as well as with the monks and nuns of New Melleray and Our Lady of the Mississippi Abbeys, in seeking a sincere conversion of life.

C. 5 Stability of Community

Members of the Conversi community trust in the providence of God who has called them to this community and this group of people. Without regular and active participation in the Conversi community, it is impossible to be a member of the community. In this sense, faithful participation in the Conversi community is a type of stability not unlike the stability of the monks and nuns within the monastery.

C. 6 Conversion of Life

Through conversatio morum, members of the Conversi community make a commitment to live a lifestyle that is shaped by Cistercian values and practices. By following the Gospel and by adhering to the practice of Cistercian discipline, Conversi members endeavor to behave and act on a daily basis in ways that are consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

C. 7 Obedience

By adhering to obedience, members of the Conversi community attempt to live their lives under the Rule of Saint Benedict and in service to one another and the community as a whole. In this renouncing of will, they follow the example of Christ and commit themselves to the school of the Lord's service.

(NOTE: Obedience, conversatio morum and stability constitute the vows that Cistercian monks and nuns make during solemn profession. While members of the Conversi community do not make vows, their profession of commitment reflects these three basic building blocks of Cistercian life, but within a life lived in the world.)

C. 8 Humility

Humility is the quality by which a person considering his/her own defects has a lowly opinion of self and willingly submits to God and to others for God's sake. St. Bernard defines it as "A virtue by which a man knowing himself as he truly is, abases himself." Following in the footsteps of Christ ("Learn of me, because I am meek, and humble of heart: and you shall find rest to our souls"), the members of the Conversi community pursue an honest view and appraisal of themselves, and seek to live humbly within the community.

C. 9 Prayer and Meditation

Like every act that makes for salvation, grace is required not only to dispose us to pray, but also to aid us in meditative prayer. Through meditation, members of the Conversi community seek to become one with God through attentiveness of heart and solitary prayer. Like silence, it assures solitude, fosters mindfulness of God and community, opens the mind to the inspirations of the Holy Spirit. The members of the Conversi community are encouraged to spend some time every day in meditative prayer.

C. 10 Praying the Psalms

The Church has always considered the Psalms her most perfect book of prayer. A great part of the Divine Office is taken from the psalms. As Merton said: "In the Psalms, we drink divine praise at its pure and stainless source." Members of the Conversi community are encouraged to pray the psalms daily.

C. 11 Enclosure

Enclosure does not refer solely to remaining within the confines of the monastery. It refers more specifically to guarding one`s heart and protecting it against the inroads of the world. In their daily lifestyles, members of the Conversi community put into practice the guard of the heart.

C. 12 The Imitation of Christ

Following on the book of the same title, the Imitation of Christ is to instruct the soul in Christian perfection with Christ as the Divine Model. It is the core of the Cistercian life and towards which the School of Charity is oriented. Members of the Conversi community are encouraged to model their lifestyles on Christ using the examples and insights of the Cistercian charism.

C. 13 Life of the Community

Members of the Conversi community seek unity of spirit in the love of God through contributing to the up-building of the Conversi community. The preservation of unity among Conversi members depends on a sincere and mutual effort to respond to one another's needs on a regular basis.

The members of the Conversi community have the right and duty to participate fully in the community, although this participation can be exercised in different ways. All are called to mutual care, mutual cooperation and mutual obedience. All are to be concerned for the spiritual state of the community, which includes a willingness to respectfully share perspectives, ideas and concerns through active participation in the on-line site. Members of the Conversi community bear one another's short-comings with patience, serve one another humbly, and support one another by prayer and by other appropriate means.

C. 14 Liturgical Life

The spiritual character of the Conversi community is especially evident in the celebration of liturgy. The church's liturgy, as well as the liturgical aspects of monastic practices, strengthen and increase both the inner sense of one's Cistercian vocation and communion among members. Members of the Conversi community are urged to incorporate one or more hours of the Divine Office in their daily schedule as well as other opportunities to participate in the Church's liturgy.

C. 15 Celebration of the Eucharist

Eucharist is the source of the whole Christian life and of Lay Cistercians' communion in Christ. For this reason, members of the Conversi community are encouraged to participate in the Eucharist whenever possible. It is by the sharing of the paschal mystery of the Lord that members of the community are united more closely with one another and with the whole Church.

C. 16 Work of God

For Cistercian monks and nuns, nothing is to be preferred to the Work of God. While the daily schedules of most members of the Conversi community precludes participation in the entire Liturgy of the Hours, they are urged to incorporate one or more of the hours into their daily life so that each may participate in the Church's official prayer of praise and intercession.

C. 17 Lectio Divina

Careful lectio divina greatly strengthens Conversi members' faith in God. This excellent monastic practice, by which God's Word is heard and pondered, is a source of prayer and contemplation where the person speaks heart to heart with God. For this reason, members of the Conversi community are urged to spend some time everyday in lectio divina.

C. 18 Work as Prayer

Work, especially manual work, has always enjoyed special esteem in the Cistercian tradition since it gives monks and nuns the opportunity of sharing in the divine work of creation and restoration, and of following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ. It expresses solidarity with all workers. Moreover work is an occasion for a fruitful asceticism that fosters personal development and maturity. Members of the Conversi community are encouraged to approach their work, whether paid or unpaid, with a spirit of mindfulness and prayer.

C 19. Work as Prayer

By cultivating mindfulness of God, members of the community extend the Work of God throughout the whole day. Furthermore, to the greatest extent possible, they should take care to develop an environment favorable for silence and quiet. They should devote themselves frequently to prayer, and seek daily a time for reading and prayerful reflection.

C. 20 Silence

Silence is counted among the principal monastic values of the Cistercian Order. It assures solitude, fosters mindfulness of God and community, opens the mind to the inspirations of the Holy Spirit, and encourages attentiveness of heart and solitary prayer to God. Although finding moments of silence in one's daily life may be difficult, members of the Conversi community are urged to create some time each day for silent prayer and awareness of God.

C. 21 Asceticism and Simplicity

Following the example of the Fathers of CÎteaux who sought an uncomplicated relationship with God, members of the Conversi community are urged to foster a personal lifestyle of simplicity in a manner that is consistent with their personal and family responsibilities. When possible, Conversi members are urged to incorporate periods of manual labor into their daily lives. Manual labor, which has always enjoyed special esteem in the Cistercian tradition, can be an occasion for asceticism and can promote health of mind and body.

C. 22 Apostolate of Lay Cistercians

Although Cistercian monks and nuns cannot be called upon to meet the needs of the active apostolate, members of the Conversi community, given their life in the world, may consider their participation in the Cistercian charism in light of the needs of the Church as a whole and the needs of their local church. Nonetheless, the goal of participation in the Conversi community is not an active apostolate, but rather the development of the contemplative life as a way of participating in the mission of Christ and his Church. To this end, Conversi members are urged to develop a degree of separation from those cultural values and contemporary standards that are inconsistent with spiritual practice.

CHAPTER TWO

The Service of Authority

C. 23 The Ministry of the Moderator

1. The moderator is a member of both AIC and Conversi, and is appointed by AIC to give guidance and pastoral care to Conversi. S/he is ex officio a member of the Conversi Council.

C. 24 The Council

The council is selected from individuals who have been members of Conversi for at least eighteen months/two years and who have indicated a willingness to serve in this capacity.

The council is responsible for

the general oversight of Conversi,

assuring the pastoral care of members,

supervising the admission of new members,

overseeing the formation of members,

setting, and collecting the annual membership fees.

providing a liaison with other Cistercian associate groups, the monasteries, and the OCSO.

C. 25 Pastoral Care of Members

The council may appoint members to assist in the administration and pastoral care of members, as needs warrant. (Statutes on guesthouse, formation people, etc?)

CHAPTER THREE

The Process of Formation

C. 26 Members of the Conversi community participate in a structured formation process during which time they explore information about Cistercian values and practices, and are supported in their efforts to apply these to their lives.

C. 27 The role of the Conversi community in the process of formation is to help each member to assimilate the essential elements of the Cistercian way of life.

C. 28 Formation topics may include but not be limited to a Cistercian understanding of:

Asceticism

Community

Contemplation

Conversion

Divine Office

Discernment/Commitment

Enclosure

Formation

Humility

Lectio/Scripture

Obedience

Imitation of Christ

Meditative Prayer

Praying the Psalms

Silence and Solitude

Stability

Work as prayer, and

Simplicity/poverty

C. 29 Although the physical resources of Conversi are limited, its goal is to provide access to as many persons interested in membership as possible. Nonetheless, the limitation of resources may make it necessary to restrict membership to those who are able to participate regularly in the life of the community. In addition, membership is limited to adult Christians.

C. 30 Each year, the Conversi community will be provided an opportunity to visit one or the other of the two monasteries and to participate in a retreat together. These retreats will be conducted by members and may include presentations by the monks and nuns of New Melleray and Mississippi Abbeys.

C. 31 Members of the Conversi community do not take vows or make binding commitment to the Conversi community or New Melleray or Our Lady of the Mississippi Abbeys. On the other hand, members may make personal promises regarding their Cistercian lifestyle, values and practices. These statements of personal commitment are made with the support of the membership of Conversi and the communities of New Melleray and Our Lady of the Mississippi Abbeys.

C. 32 In the Joy of the Holy Spirit

These are the Constitutions of Conversi, a community of Lay Cistercians. May God grant that through the Holy Spirit, they may observe them in fraternal charity and fidelity to the Church, and so joyfully make their way to the fullness of love with the help of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Queen of Cîteaux.

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Pojanje irskih benediktina iz drevne opatije Glenstal, Limerick, Irska i iz opatije Solesmes iz Francuske. Sad se lako možete uvjeriti da takvi možda zaživljeni stereotipi o katoličkim monasima koji baš toliko ne pjevaju ili ne drže do liturgijskog spjeva toliko mnogo, ne pridaju mu takvu važnost kao pravoslavni monasi nisu baš sasvim na mjestu a ni istiniti. Sav problem je u tome što takve te "prave" ustvari nemate priliku uopšte uživo čuti a ni vidjeti baš u tom bliskom susjedstvu tamo gdje živite. Recimo na cijelom Balkanu jer taj i nije baš nekim centrom zapadne liturgije niti kakvim njenim reprenzetativnim primjerom. Prije će biti da je se nalazi na takvoj metaforičkoj periferiji tog zapadnog liturgijskog prostora, na samom njenom rubu ili kraju. Ali zato postoji mogućnost upoznati se s njima i njihovim pojanjem preko ovakvih videa barem.

Into the Enclosure: The Men of Glenstal Abbey Trailer

Ovo je samo trailer za cio dokumentarni film o njima, benediktinima iz Glenstalske opatije

koji je snimljen izgleda sad ove godine u maju ali još nije na internetu, kad bude postavim.

Benedictine Monks in Co. Limerick, Ireland. Follow some of these monks who are farmers,

artists, bakers and craftsmen. Full film on May 26th, 2012

Te Deum - Bridgetown Priory, Blackwater Valley, Ireland

Na videu je irski avgustinianski manastir iz XIII vijeka a koralni napjev

je iz V vijeka u izvođenju francuskih benediktina iz opatije Solesmes.

Soundtrack: Te Deum - 5th century monastic chant,

by Benedictine Monks of the Solesmes Congregation Bridgetown

Priory or Abbey, near the confluence of the Awbeg and Blackwater rivers,

was founded for Augustinian monks in the 13th century by Alexander FitzHugh.

Soon afterwards, it was owned by the Roches. Henry VIII dissolved the priory in

1540. Bridgetownhas a cloister, kitchens, refectory, chapter house and church.

Its ruins, now extensively restored, are open to visitors all year around.

Contemplation

Neobičan video sa zanimljivim svjetlosnim efektima,

snimljen u ambijentu manastira iz XI vijeka, također u Limericku.

2'45" HD dvd ( uploaded in SD) Made during Welcome to the

Neighborhood residency at Askeaton, Co. Limerick, July 2011

The video formed part of three interventions in the 11c friary.

Originally the friaries cloister garth would have had a tight green lawn,

with no plants or flowers to distract the monks. A green lawn was considered

a tool to contemplation and would have formed a key focal point for the friary.

I introduced green back into the friary changing the perception of the space

and peoples response to the ruin,

[Михајло]

прочитао сам да постоји и код Православних ред Бенедиктинаца..

почели су да се оснивају почетком 19 века...када је кренула обнова западног обреда у Православљу..

ако зна ко више...

Orthodox Benedictines today

The Benedictine tradition was largely lost to the Orthodox Church until the 20th century, when a revival was seen, encouraged by the efforts to restore the Western Rite to Orthodoxy which began in the 19th century.

In 1962, under the leadership of its abbot, Dom Augustine (Whitfield), the Monastery of Our Lady of Mount Royal, which had been an Old Catholic monastic community since its foundation in 1910, was received into the Moscow Patriarchal Russian Orthodox Church by Bishop Dositheus (Ivanchenko) of New York. It was later received into the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia, in 1975, by Archbishop Nikon (Rkitzsky).

In 1993, Bishop Hilarion (Kapral) of Manhattan (now Metropolitan Hilarion, First Hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia) blessed the founding of a new Benedictine monastery under its abbot, Dom James (Deschene), the former Prior of Mount Royal. Christ the Saviour Monastery (Christminster) today runs an oblate programme and seeks to make modest provision for the formation of clergy within the Western Rite of the Orthodox Church, a provision lacking in most Orthodox seminaries. It also publishes music and liturgical books to enhance the offering of the Western Rite Orthodox liturgy.

In 1997, Hilarion (Kapral), then Archbishop of Sydney, received into the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia the monastery of Saint Petroc in Tasmania, Australia. This monastic community had been formed as a Continuing Anglican monastery in 1992 under its superior, Hieromonk Michael (Mansbridge-Wood). While it is not a Benedictine foundation it did have a Benedictine presence attached to it in the form of the Holyrood hermitage in Florida, which has since become an independent monastic hermitage under Abbot David (Pierce).

There are currently no female Benedictine monastic houses in the Orthodox Church.

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прочитао сам да постоји и код Православних ред Бенедиктинаца..

почели су да се оснивају почетком 19 века...када је кренула обнова западног обреда у Православљу..

ако зна ко више...

Чини ми се да је Богдановић нешто већ писао о томе на Форуму и под разним темама али не баш често, за ове двије године можда 4-5 пута свега.

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Појање енглеских доминиканаца, овај начин појања грегоријанског корала типски је близак појању у некадашњем галском обреду. Можете чути како изгледа пјевано Јеванђеље и то уводни дио Јеванђеља по Матеју, родослов Г.Н. Исуса Христа који се чита или пјева обично на Божић. Испод видеа је оригинални латински текст - Nova Vulgata, Evangelium secundum Matthaeum.

Genealogy of Jesus Christ according to Matthew

A recording of the Genealogy in Dominican chant sung by Br Benedict Jonak OP in Blackfriars, Oxford.

EVANGELIUM SECUNDUM MATTHAEUM 1.1-16

1 Liber generationis Iesu Christi filii David filii Abraham.

2 Abraham genuit Isaac, Isaac autem genuit Iacob, Iacob autem genuit Iudam et fratres eius,

3 Iudas autem genuit Phares et Zara de Thamar, Phares autem genuit Esrom, Esrom autem genuit Aram,

4 Aram autem genuit Aminadab, Aminadab autem genuit Naasson, Naasson autem genuit Salmon,

5 Salmon autem genuit Booz de Rahab, Booz autem genuit Obed ex Ruth, Obed autem genuit Iesse,

6 Iesse autem genuit David regem.

David autem genuit Salomonem ex ea, quae fuit Uriae,

7 Salomon autem genuit Roboam, Roboam autem genuit Abiam, Abia autem genuit Asa,

8 Asa autem genuit Iosaphat, Iosaphat autem genuit Ioram, Ioram autem genuit Oziam,

9 Ozias autem genuit Ioatham, Ioatham autem genuit Achaz, Achaz autem genuit Ezechiam,

10 Ezechias autem genuit Manassen, Manasses autem genuit Amon, Amon autem genuit Iosiam,

11 Iosias autem genuit Iechoniam et fratres eius in transmigratione Babylonis.

12 Et post transmigrationem Babylonis Iechonias genuit Salathiel, Salathiel autem genuit Zorobabel,

13 Zorobabel autem genuit Abiud, Abiud autem genuit Eliachim, Eliachim autem genuit Azor,

14 Azor autem genuit Sadoc, Sadoc autem genuit Achim, Achim autem genuit Eliud,

15 Eliud autem genuit Eleazar, Eleazar autem genuit Matthan, Matthan autem genuit Iacob,

16 Iacob autem genuit Ioseph virum Mariae, de qua natus est Iesus, qui vocatur Christus.

http://www.vatican.v...tthaeum_lt.html

http://www.vatican.v...a_index_lt.html

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Може се рећи да је за тај класични звук модерног, савременог, грегоријанског појанја, тај бестрасни и бестјелесни дојам звука грегоријанског појања какво данас познајемо, највише заслужна француска бенедиктинска рестаураторска и реформна конгррегација Солесмес која је у 19. вијеку отворила неколико бенедиктинских опатија повезаних у савез, конгрегацију и који су имали као свој главни задатак поновну рестаурацију, оживљавање, осавремењивање и актуализацију грегоријанског и уопште литургијског католичког пјевања у цијелој западној Европи. Од сваке традиције су узели оно највриједније, каролиншки сјај и узвишеност али без готичке хладноће, галску јасноћу и топлину израза али без свјетовних дозвука, италијанску лаку етерично-прозирну лепршавост, елеганцију, њежност и грацилност али опроштену од порива тијела и олуја страсти и мекопутности, бестјеслесну и бестрасну. Овдје је примјер таквог појања које је уствари суперкомпилацијом свега тога најузвишенијег и најетеричнијег у грегоријанском коралу, анђеоска вјечна небеска литургија пред Божијим пријестољем, без почетка и без краја.

Gloria in excelsis Deo - Слава Богу на висини

Gloria From Mass Of The Sacred Heart,

The Benedictine Nuns Of St Cecilias Abbey

http://en.wikipedia....a's_Abbey,_Ryde

http://www.stceciliasabbey.org.uk/

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Занима ли вас шта раде млади монаси пуни енергије и живота, кад не служе литургију, не подучавају вјеронаук, не припремају се за проповиједи или не пишу теолошке и побожне књиге о хришћанству? Како "избијају" тај свој "вишак енерегије" данашњим популарним рјечником речено. Овдје је видео тих таквих младих монаха премоснтрата из Прага и на њему можете то све открити и видјети, како проводе они тај свој "freetime" и чиме устври испуњавају то своје слободно вријеме.

Mont Blanc - premonstráti na vrcholu nejvyšší hory Alp.

Právě jsme dva nejvýše postavení kněží v Evropě. Užíváme si

svůj prakticky první větší kopec. Jeroným a Marian, O. Praem.

Управо смо два "највише постављени свештеници" у Европи.

Уживамо у својем практично првом већем "брду".

Оци премонстрати Јероним и Мариан, O. Praem.

Чешки смисао за хумор,

пиво је готово, кекси такођер

Доле је њихов најновији снимак од 29.07.2012.,

видео с Матерхорна објављен значи баш данас.

Како се пење на Матерхорн

Jak se leze na Matterhorn HQ

Иначе њима припада тај прекрасни стари Страховски премонстратски самостан у Прагу.

Св. Норберт, епископ, 1085 - 6.6. 1134., утемељитељ Реда Премонстратскога,

његови поземни остаци тј. реликвије данас почивају управо у том пражском

премонстратском манастиру на Страхову одакле су ови монаси на видеу.

У времену реформације тијело му је пренесено из Магдебурга гдје је умро

у чешки премонстратски самостан Страхов у Прагу гдје се налазе и дан данас.

http://www.katolicki...t.asp?n_UID=222

Premonstratensian:

http://en.wikipedia....emonstratensian

Strahov Monastery in Prague:

http://en.wikipedia....rahov_Monastery

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Случајно сам сад открио да ови премонстратски монаси - алпинисти с тог видеа горе имају чак и своју страницу на интернету посвећену том свом планинарењу и верању по горама. Тамо је то све написано на чешком, нема дугмета за енглески али и тако можете разумјети доста тога без превођења, бар што се тиче тих основних информација. Само још кратка уводна напомена да се лакше оријентишете на сајту, назив сајта је Hory - OPraem. Hory (чита се хори) значи Горе (планине) а ОPraem је скраћеница или титула за премонстратски ред која се код католичких монаха увијек ставља одмах иза имена, служи као допунска информација. То је нешто као титула јеромонах у православљу и по томе се зна да је тај свештеник уствари јеромонах а и то којем реду припада. Дакле Горе - Премонстрати, то би био тај назив сајта. у наслову имају стих из 121 Псалма: Према горама очи своје уздижем - "Zvedám své oči k horám..." (Žalm 121)

Home:

http://www.hory-opraem.cz/index.php?p=

K dobytí - К освајању:

http://www.hory-opra...byti&pid=100031

К освајању, то су уствари планирани походи, алпинистичке експедиције које се они припремају тек подузети. Plánujeme Weissmies (4017 m) - léto 2012. Значи можда су сад већ тамо у чвицарској на том Weissmiesu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weissmies

Dobyté - Освојено:

http://www.hory-opra....php?p=3-dobyte

То су уствари освојени врхови, има их двадесетак, на некима су били и више пута, на Матерхорну на примјер три пута, успјели су тек у трећем покушају, то јке нормална ствар, често ти походи не успију због лошег времена или неких других објективних препрека. Они, наравно као свештеници никад не форсирају ништа насилу јер не смију због непогодних околности и сл. довести ничији живот у питање, ни свој а ни туђи, то би већ био озбиљан гријех, зато на врх иду само кад је све сасвим у реду, чиста ситуација, ником ништа не фали и кад је то могуће и остварљиво без сувишних ризика.

Ево шта они кажу о том свом хобију - алпинизму:

Jeroným

Filip Hofmann

(narozen 1973)

Има надимак Hecoun, то значи Мотиватор, "распаљивач", хахаха.

Он им сигурно и долази с тим идејама гдје би се још могли узверат.

administrátor, капелан у Vyskytná nad Jihlavou

"Nebojím se marné smrti, ale marného života."

Не бојим се узалудне смрти, већ узалудног живота.

(та му је добра, запишем си то негдје, хахаха) :smile:

Marian

Jiří Husek

(narozen 1966)

Има надимак Pohodář, то значи нешто као Весељак,

увијек добро расположен и спреман на сваку врсту забаве.

farář Znojmo - Louka, значи парох у Знојму

"Největší frajeřina je jít do toho a nemít na to."

Каже: "Највеће је фрајерство, ићи на нешто чега ниси баш пуно способан."

С обзиром на то откад има датирану крштеницу онда му се баш пуно ни не чудим.

Ал још су они млади, нико још није видио ни Аврама, хахаха! У најбољим су годинама.

Petr

Ivan Božik

(narozen 1975)

Има надимак Průzkumník - Извиђач, изгледа да

њега шаљу увијек да испроба први какав је терен.

farář, Jihlava - sv. Jakub парох у Јихлави

(aktualizace webu) он је админ тог њиховог сајта

"Všechny životní sny začínají v mládí."

Каже: Сви животни снови почињу у младости.

Овдје можете видјети како изгледа тај њихов

познати стари Страховски манастир у Прагу.

Обавезно га обиђите ако некад посјетите Праг.

Вриједи то видјет, то је свјетски познати раритет.

Czech Republic: Prague: The Strahov Monastery

Impression of parts of the Strahov Monastery (Strahovsky Klaster) and

the Theological Hall, one of the two rooms of the famous library of the Strahov Abbey.

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Ево, пронашао сам један занимљив видео Страховске манастирске библиотеке,

уствари је то највећа интеријер-фотографија, унутрашњости неког објекта у свијету.

Panorama: Strahov Library 40 Gigapixel

(World's Largest Indoor Photo) HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPQMMglj7I

The world's largest indoor photo was taken inside the Strahov Philosophical Library

in Prague, Czech Republic. It was a published by http://www.360cities.net/.

The photo was taken by by it's founder Jeffrey Martin and was shot by five days period.

The 360 panoramic view of the magnificent library was clearly detailed.

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Liturgija slovačkih dominikanaca.

Dominikanska crkva u Košicama.

Dominikánsky kostol v Košiciach

JKS 257 - Introit, Ty si Pane v každom chráme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vsV_mK3p3k

Na videu je otac Hilár Jozef Štefurik, taj s tom dugom sijedom kosom,

o njemu se zna da je velikim fanom Deep Purple, na koncertu u Češkoj,

U Brnu, Gillan mu se potpisao na taj svoj portret koji je on sam nacrtao.

Već kao 13-godišnji dječak je htio postati redovnikom i sveštenikom, dominikancem,

ali kako su tada bili na vlasti komunisti shvatio jer da ga na bogosloviju nikad

ne bi primili jer nije imao podoban moralno-politički "portret" i postao je zato

tajnim dominikanom i tajnim sveštenikom. Po odlasku komunista konačno je i on

mogao otići poslije 15 godina u manastir i odslužiti prvu svoju Misu u crkvi javno.

Još se o njemu priča da ima nevjerovatno veliko, enciklopedijsko pamćenje na

datume i događaje, pored svetaca koji se taj dan slave u stanju je svakom danu

u godini pridjeliti desetke događaja koji su se dogodili u svijetu tj. u istoriji na taj dan,

on je takva hodajuća Wikipedija, hahahaha.

http://www.dmc.sk/ko...a/stefurik.html

http://www.dmc.sk/ko...a/clenovia.html

http://zaujimavosti....vo-zvolene.html

Liturgický spevník II - Aleluja IX

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGcDMZI_9p8

Na ovom snimku je otac Charbel, također iz tog istog

dominikanskog manastira u Košicama u Slovačkoj.

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Danas vam predstavim Regularne kanonike Majke Božije. Regularni kanonici ispočetka nisu bili monasima, nastali su kao udruženje sekularnih sveštenika koji su imali ili osjetili poziv za zajedničkim životom na jednom mjestu ali istovremeno i za apostolatom u svijeti vam manastirskih zidina. vremenom su takva udruženja sveštenika prerasla u razne Redove sa istom harizmom. Prema organizaciji i pravilima, tipiku koji obdržavaju Regularni kanonici spadaju u skupinu Avgustinskih redova jer obdržavaju tipik, monaško pravilo svetog Avgustina. Vrlo su slični recimo premonstratima o kojima je bilo rijeći u jednom od pređasnjih postova. A prema harizmi spadaju u skupinu redova s marijanskom harizmom kao na primjer i serviti ili oblati Blažene Djevice Marije. Pored svih tih raznih avgustinskih redovničkih kanonika tj. avgustinskih regularnih kanonika (to su sinonimi, znače to isto), postoji još i skupina avgustinskih eremita, pustinjaka (OESA) koji je osnovan 1256. g. otprilike u isto to doba kada i franjevci, dominikanci i serviti i spadaju po svojoj harizmi u najvažnije prosjačke redove kojih je 4, dakle zajedno s tim trima nabrojanima. Na prva dva videa je priprema za pontifikalnu, arhijerejsku liturgiju i kratki fragment sa Mise a na trećem je zborna molitva i blagoslov pred zajedničkim objedom u manastirskoj trpezariji kanonije Lagrasse.

Canons Regular of the Mother of God - DVD Preview, Part I

The following is an excerpt from the 45 minute edition of the DVD,

"Chanoines réguliers de la Mère de Dieu:

Une journée à l'abbaye Sainte-Marie de Lagrasse"

Canons Regular of the Mother of God:

A Day at the Abbey of Saint Mary of Lagrasse

http://www.lagrasseabbey.org.uk/

Canons Regular of the Mother of God - DVD Preview, Part II

http://splendordomin...ajke-bozje.html

http://www.martinus..../geschichte.htm

http://en.wikipedia....the_Virgin_Mary

http://www.lagrasseabbey.org.uk/

http://en.wikipedia..../Canons_Regular

http://hr.wikipedia....nstratenški_red

http://sh.wikipedia....wiki/Augustinci

Chanoines Lagrasse - Kanonija Lagrasse

Regularni kanonici. Molitva i blagoslov pred objedom.

Oni se služe isključivo tom predkoncilskom latinskom

tridentinskom liturgijom ali nisu nikakvim lefebvrovcima.

Kako vidite iz naslova ovog videa njihovi manastiri

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