Zašto je Juda izdao Isusa poljupcem?

[Paladije]

Siroti Juda cjelivom izdade Sina Bozijeg...gdje li je sada njegova dusa zubori? U kojim obiteljima nebeskim?

[Volim_Sina_Bozjeg]

Siroti Juda cjelivom izdade Sina Bozijeg...gdje li je sada njegova dusa zubori? U kojim obiteljima nebeskim?

Тамо и са онима где укус преваре "топи" усне.

[Volim_Sina_Bozjeg]

Можда се Јуди Бог још некад јави.....

[CecaV]

Можда је Јуда баш овак размишљао овако:

 

Nije li Juda više Bog nego Isus?   Viče prineh, više zrtvovah, više trpeh nego Isus.  Više sam čovek, nisam li time više i Bog?  I više Bog, pa više i čovek? Nisam li ja Onaj koji jeste, a Isus samo ono što ja htedoh da bude?  Proroci proricahu kroz mene, i nije li svaka njihova poruka – On nije mario ni da čita – bila izgovorena Judinim glasom?  Ni za jedno proročanstvo nije znao, čak ni za ona kojima je osobno bio dužan.  Ko ga je doveo u Jerusalim?  Juda.  Ko ga je posadio na magaricu?  Juda.  Čije je bilo ono:  Osana sinu Davidovu! Osana vo višnjih!“ ?    Judino.   Ko mu je pripremao jerusalimske besede? Juda.  Ko mu je zgotvovio poslednju Pashu?  Juda.  Najzad, ko ga je prodao za trideset srebrnjaka, samo da bi se Pismo o Njiemu zbilo?   Juda.    Sve što je urađeno, uradio je Juda.  On, Gospod, ni prstom nije maknuo.  Ograničiće se jedino na to da posle tri dana vaskrsne i da se uznese.  Možda čak ni to neće biti kadar sam da obavi.  Možda će i to posvršavati Juda umesto Njega.

 

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Борислав Пекић,  Време Чуда

[w.a.mozart]

A mozda je Salijeri komponovao Mocartovu muziku? Upravo su u tom odnosu

 

 

From now on we are enemies, You and I. Because You choose for Your instrument a boastful, lustful, smutty, infantile boy and give me for reward only the ability to recognize the incarnation. Because You are unjust, unfair, unkind, I will block You, I swear it. I will hinder and harm Your creature on earth as far as I am able.

[Paladije]

Why Did Judas Identify Jesus with a Kiss?

I’ve been reading a new book titled Pseudo-Cyril of Jerusalem “On the Life and the Passion of Christ”: A Coptic Apocryphon by the Dutch scholar Roelof van den Broek.1 In case it has escaped your attention, it provides a new translation of an eighth-century Gnostic gospel in Coptic from Egypt that has been in the Morgan Library in New York since 1908, a gift of J.P. Morgan.

This text explains why Judas Iscariot identified Jesus with a kiss so that the Roman soldiers could arrest him, as related in three canonical gospels (Matthew 26:48; Mark 14:44; Luke 22:47). According to this late Gnostic gospel, that was the only way the Roman soldiers could be sure they had the right man. The reason was that Jesus could change his features:

“How shall we arrest him,” the Jews ask, “for he does not have a single shape, but his appearance changes. Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat-colored, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man, sometimes his hair is straight and black, sometimes it is curled, sometimes he is tall, sometimes he is short.” They “have never seen him in one and the same appearance.”

Jesus could also become completely incorporeal. Jesus explains that, if he wished, he could escape crucifixion in this way.

The idea of a shape-changing Jesus is not new. It goes back as far as Origen in the third century. According to Origen, Jesus would appear differently to people who saw him at the same time.

Watch Duke University New Testament scholar Mark Goodacre’s lecture “A Giant Jesus and A Walking, Talking Cross: Exploring the Gospel of Peter” in the BAS DVD Digging into the Gospels.

Van den Broek is careful to note that he is not suggesting that Jesus was in fact shape changing but only that some people in early Christian times may have thought he was.

This brings to mind another recent find with an unusual claim about Jesus—that he had a wife! In a papyrus fragment the size of a credit card, Jesus is speaking in the first person and refers to “my wife.” This Coptic fragment appears to have come from a Gnostic gospel of the fourth century and has been studied by Harvard Divinity School’s Karen King, who holds the oldest endowed academic chair in the United States. She has written a lengthy scholarly article on the fragment—dubbed the “Gospel of Jesus’ Wife”—that was accepted for publication by the prestigious Harvard Theological Review (see article.) Like van den Broek, King was careful to state (repeatedly) that this gospel fragment “provides no reliable historical information” as to whether Jesus was married, only that “some Christians depicted Jesus as married.” The claim that Jesus was married “arose over a century after the death of Jesus in the context of intra-Christian controversies over sexuality, marriage and discipleship.”

King was also careful to consider the possibility that the gospel fragment, which came from the antiquities market at least 30 years ago, was a forgery: “We took into serious consideration whether this was a genuine ancient text or a modern forgery,” she wrote. Two leading experts found that it was authentic, and various tests were applied. After her own study, King concluded that “although the authenticity is not absolutely settled beyond any question, we are sufficiently confident to offer our results here.”

After word got out that the fragment referred to Jesus’ wife, the Harvard Theological Review changed its mind about publishing King’s article. It had been scheduled for publication in January 2013. Under what pressure, we do not know, but the fact is that publication was postponed indefinitely—until the results of some unnamed tests by some unknown entities confirm the authenticity of the fragment. The magazine refused to divulge who would be conducting the tests or what they were. They referred to “various reports” that were expected, indicating that more than one test was to be made. The results of the tests, we were told, would be “ready for publication—hopefully early to mid-summer [2013].”a As of this writing, no information about these tests has been released, and the authorities still refuse to divulge who is doing the testing and what the tests are.

Why the difference between the reaction to King’s article, on the one hand, and van den Broek’s book, on the other? One refers to Jesus’ wife, and the other describes Jesus’ ability to change his appearance drastically. Is one more blasphemous than the other?

Several reasons have been suggested. Perhaps the question of Jesus’ sexuality is a more sensitive topic. Or perhaps the difference is that King’s analysis became public before it was published in the Harvard Theological Review, while the public learned of van den Broek’s shape-changing Jesus only after his book had been published. Or perhaps it was the fact that King’s gospel fragment “contains the first known statement that explicitly claims Jesus had a wife,” while references to Jesus’ shape-changing abilities were widely known previously in the scholarly community. Or maybe it was because there is no question about the authenticity of the document describing the shape-changing Jesus (it was bought from a monastery).

In any event, scholars are advised to step carefully when dealing with certain notions about Jesus held by some early Christians.

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/why-did-judas-identify-jesus-with-a-kiss/

[Драган άσημος :)]

То се деси да се испуни писмо, разумијем као да је син погибли био предодређен, тј. да је неко морао то да учини, тј. није имао избора.

[Paladije]

Da li se neko zapitao da li je Juda ostao u paklu posle vaskrsenja Hristovog...?

[CecaV]

Why Did Judas Identify Jesus with a Kiss? I’ve been reading a new book titled Pseudo-Cyril of Jerusalem “On the Life and the Passion of Christ”: A Coptic Apocryphon by the Dutch scholar Roelof van den Broek.1 In case it has escaped your attention, it provides a new translation of an eighth-century Gnostic gospel in Coptic from Egypt that has been in the Morgan Library in New York since 1908, a gift of J.P. Morgan.

занимљиво !

[Volim_Sina_Bozjeg]

Можда је Јуда баш овак размишљао овако:

 

Nije li Juda više Bog nego Isus?   Viče prineh, više zrtvovah, više trpeh nego Isus.  Više sam čovek, nisam li time više i Bog?  I više Bog, pa više i čovek? Nisam li ja Onaj koji jeste, a Isus samo ono što ja htedoh da bude?  Proroci proricahu kroz mene, i nije li svaka njihova poruka – On nije mario ni da čita – bila izgovorena Judinim glasom?  Ni za jedno proročanstvo nije znao, čak ni za ona kojima je osobno bio dužan.  Ko ga je doveo u Jerusalim?  Juda.  Ko ga je posadio na magaricu?  Juda.  Čije je bilo ono:  Osana sinu Davidovu! Osana vo višnjih!“ ?    Judino.   Ko mu je pripremao jerusalimske besede? Juda.  Ko mu je zgotvovio poslednju Pashu?  Juda.  Najzad, ko ga je prodao za trideset srebrnjaka, samo da bi se Pismo o Njiemu zbilo?   Juda.    Sve što je urađeno, uradio je Juda.  On, Gospod, ni prstom nije maknuo.  Ograničiće se jedino na to da posle tri dana vaskrsne i da se uznese.  Možda čak ni to neće biti kadar sam da obavi.  Možda će i to posvršavati Juda umesto Njega.

 

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Борислав Пекић,  Време Чуда

И ко је на крају издао све и узео од људи који га нису хтели? Јуда.

 

Јуду нико није желео.

[Paladije]

CecaV, on 29 Nov 2014 - 21:56, каже:

Можда је Јуда баш овак размишљао овако:

Nije li Juda više Bog nego Isus? Viče prineh, više zrtvovah, više trpeh nego Isus. Više sam čovek, nisam li time više i Bog? I više Bog, pa više i čovek? Nisam li ja Onaj koji jeste, a Isus samo ono što ja htedoh da bude? Proroci proricahu kroz mene, i nije li svaka njihova poruka – On nije mario ni da čita – bila izgovorena Judinim glasom? Ni za jedno proročanstvo nije znao, čak ni za ona kojima je osobno bio dužan. Ko ga je doveo u Jerusalim? Juda. Ko ga je posadio na magaricu? Juda. Čije je bilo ono: Osana sinu Davidovu! Osana vo višnjih!“ ? Judino. Ko mu je pripremao jerusalimske besede? Juda. Ko mu je zgotvovio poslednju Pashu? Juda. Najzad, ko ga je prodao za trideset srebrnjaka, samo da bi se Pismo o Njiemu zbilo? Juda. Sve što je urađeno, uradio je Juda. On, Gospod, ni prstom nije maknuo. Ograničiće se jedino na to da posle tri dana vaskrsne i da se uznese. Možda čak ni to neće biti kadar sam da obavi. Možda će i to posvršavati Juda umesto Njega.

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Борислав Пекић, Време Чуда

И ко је на крају издао све и узео од људи који га нису хтели? Јуда.

Јуду нико није желео.

И ко је на крају издао све и узео од људи који га нису хтели? Јуда.

 

Јуду нико није желео.

Juda sada u rajskim obiteljima boravi...

[Volim_Sina_Bozjeg]

CecaV, on 29 Nov 2014 - 21:56, каже:

Можда је Јуда баш овак размишљао овако:

Nije li Juda više Bog nego Isus? Viče prineh, više zrtvovah, više trpeh nego Isus. Više sam čovek, nisam li time više i Bog? I više Bog, pa više i čovek? Nisam li ja Onaj koji jeste, a Isus samo ono što ja htedoh da bude? Proroci proricahu kroz mene, i nije li svaka njihova poruka – On nije mario ni da čita – bila izgovorena Judinim glasom? Ni za jedno proročanstvo nije znao, čak ni za ona kojima je osobno bio dužan. Ko ga je doveo u Jerusalim? Juda. Ko ga je posadio na magaricu? Juda. Čije je bilo ono: Osana sinu Davidovu! Osana vo višnjih!“ ? Judino. Ko mu je pripremao jerusalimske besede? Juda. Ko mu je zgotvovio poslednju Pashu? Juda. Najzad, ko ga je prodao za trideset srebrnjaka, samo da bi se Pismo o Njiemu zbilo? Juda. Sve što je urađeno, uradio je Juda. On, Gospod, ni prstom nije maknuo. Ograničiće se jedino na to da posle tri dana vaskrsne i da se uznese. Možda čak ni to neće biti kadar sam da obavi. Možda će i to posvršavati Juda umesto Njega.

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Борислав Пекић, Време Чуда

И ко је на крају издао све и узео од људи који га нису хтели? Јуда.

Јуду нико није желео.

Juda sada u rajskim obiteljima boravi...

Знао сам једног таквог који је сам свој мајстор, Гарнишле су му искривљене, елементи у кухинји нису у равни, кревет који је састављао има вишак делова а сам изглед кревета је као да му нешто недостаје

[Paladije]

Ne razumijem sta je tu sporno da Juda upravo sada boravi u raju?

[Volim_Sina_Bozjeg]

Ne razumijem sta je tu sporno da Juda upravo sada boravi u raju?

Спорно је то што не знамо....

О Јуди знамо онолико колико нам је донело Писмо и Предање, ван тога ићи, може само у разбибрига фијоци.

[Paladije]

Brate zapitaj se u srcu svojemu kolika je ljubav Bozija..i onda na drugi tas stavi jedno malo izdajstvo...ali i Judino pokajanje..pa izmjeri..