Атеизам вс Теизам и успех у Спорту

[Млађони]

Шта мислите, да ли теисти имају јачу вољу од атеиста када је у питању тренинг за пробијање сопствених лимита и успеха у спорту.

Често сам виђао међу спортистима, овим успешним јаку религозност. Наприемр Тајсон је посвећени муслиман, као и Мухамед Али. Мани Пакијао је посвећени хришћанин.

Итд...

Атеиста са друге стране у спортовима срећем јако мало. Фернандо Алонсо је атеиста.. возач формуле и не знам ни једног другог.

Јел има неке статистике?

Шта мислите да ли религиозност људима помаже да јаче гурају кроз тешкоће? А сви знамо да професионални спортисти преживљавају јако тешке физичке и психичке напоре који врло лако ломе психу, вољу итд. Да ли религизност помаже у савладавању тих ствари?

Ево је листа декларисаних атеиста у спорту

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_(miscellaneous)#Sports

Селектовао сам т.ј нагласио оне који и нису спортисти у правом смислу те речи. Већ су у спорту. Например фудбалски менаџер, председник компаније УФЦ итд.

• Lance Armstrong, (1971–): Road racing cyclist, won the Tour de France seven consecutive times.^[112]
  
• Brian Clough, (1935–2004): Soccer manager, of Hartlepool United, Derby County, Brighton and Hove Albion, Leeds United and Nottingham Forest. Said in his 1994 autobiography that he didn't believe in an afterlife or a god.^[113]
  
• Fausto Coppi (1919–1960): Italian racing cyclist, nicknamed Il Campionissimo ("the greatest champion") one of the most successful and popular cyclists of all time.^[114]
  
• Jim Cornette (1961–): American professional wrestling manager, commentator, promoter, and booker.^[115]
  
• Johan Cruyff former footballer, is an atheist, he once famously said, “I’m not religious. In Spain all 22 players make the sign of the cross before they enter the pitch. If it works all matches must therefore end in a draw”^[116]
  
• Robin Dixon CBE (1935–): British Olympic gold medal bobsledder, army Major, businessman, British and Northern Irish politician, latterly a member of the House of Lords.^[117]
  
• Jan Hein Donner (1927–1988): Dutch chess grandmaster and writer.^[118]
  
• Jonathan Edwards (1966–): British triple jumper. Former Olympic, European and World champion. Holds the current world record in the event.^[119]
  
• Hugh Falkus (1917–1996): British writer, film maker, World War II pilot, but best known as an angler, with seminal books on salmon and sea trout fishing.^[120]
  
• David Feherty (1958–): Irish golfer, a former European Tour and PGA Tour professional who now works as a writer and broadcaster.^[121]
  
• Olga Galchenko (1990–): Juggler.^[122]
  
• Alex Honnold (1985–) American rock climber known for his incredibly long and difficult free solo climbs.^[123]
  
• Bruce Lee (1940–1973): American born Chinese martial artist and actor.^[124]
  
• Jason Miller (1980–): Popular American mixed martial arts fighter and host of MTV's Bully Beatdown. Is noted for stating "After my victory, I would like to thank science." ^[125]
  
• Toni Nadal (1961-): Uncle and coach of tennis-player Rafael Nadal
  
• Sarah Outen MBE FRGS (1985–): English adventurer, the first and only woman and the youngest person to row solo across the Indian Ocean.^[126]
  
• Nigel Short (1965–): English chess grandmaster.^[127]
  
• Joe Simpson (1972–): British mountaineer, author and motivational speaker, famous for his book Touching the Void, subsequently filmed.^[128]
  
• Robert Smith (1972–): former Minnesota Vikings running back and NFL Network football analyst.^[129]
  
• Matthew Syed (1970–): English table tennis international, three times the Men's Singles Champion at the Commonwealth Table Tennis Championships and competing for Great Britain in two Olympic Games, now a Times journalist.^[130]
  
• Savielly Tartakower (1887–1956): Polish and French chess Grandmaster, the king of chess journalism in the 1920s and 1930s.^[131]
  
• Pat Tillman (1976–2004): Former NFL strong safety for the Arizona Cardinals and United States Army Ranger, killed by friendly fire in the mountains of Afghanistan.^{[132][133][134][135]}
  
• Dana White (1969–) President of Ultimate Fighting Championship^[136]
  
• Bob Woolmer (1948–2007): English international cricketer, professional cricket coach and commentator, playing in 19 Test matches and 6 One Day Internationals for England and later coaching South Africa, Warwickshire and Pakistan.^[137]
  
• Fernando Alonso: Formula One racer and Two-time World Champion ^[138]
  
• Aziz Shavershian (1989–2011): Australian bodybuilder and internet celebrity.^[139]
  

[Odahviing]

Za sport ne znam ali je cinjenica da je u ratu dobro imati sto vise vernika na svojoj strani i jos ako su kao ovi militantni muslimani i veruju da ce time sto ce umreti u borbi za svoju veru ili sta god. Jer mnogo ce zesce i uz odsustvu straha za sopstveni zivot ratovati.

A sto se sporta tice mozda su vernici jer smatraju da ce im to doneti prednost u borbi. Bog nagradjuje verujuce, a kaznjava nevernike i te fore....

[Млађони]

Ево и муслимана.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_Muslims#Sports

Sports

Boxing

Muhammad Ali in 1978

• Muhammad Ali - Became a member of the Nation of Islam in 1964,^[114] then converted to Sunni Islam in 1975.^[115][116]
  
• Bernard Hopkins - Former Middleweight and Light Heavyweight world champion^[117]
  
• Eddie Mustafa Muhammad - Former Light Heavyweight Champion
  
• Matthew Saad Muhammad - Former Light Heavyweight Champion.^[118]
  
• Dwight Muhammad Qawi - Former Light Heavyweight and Cruiserweight Champion.^[119]
  
• Hasim Rahman - Former Heavyweight champion^[120]
  
• Mike Tyson - Was the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion in 1987; converted in 1994 (influenced from preacher in prison)^[121]
  

NBA

Rasheed Wallace

• DeSagana Diop, Senegalese Basketball player for the Charlotte Bobcats
  
• Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - Converted to Islam from Catholicism in 1968, initially joining the Nation of Islam before retaking the Shahada and converting to Sunni Islam that very summer.^[11][122]
  
• Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf - Former player for Denver Nuggets (converted in 1991, formerly Chris Jackson)^[123]
  
• Shareef Abdur-Rahim - Retired player, named NBA All-Star in 2001-02 season^[124]
  
• Hassan Adams - Player for the KK Vojvodina^[125]
  
• Larry Johnson - Retired player, played for the Charlotte Hornets and New York Knicks^[126]
  
• Nazr Mohammed - Player for the Charlotte Bobcats^[127]
  
• Mehmet Okur - Turkish player of the Utah Jazz^[128]
  
• Shaquille O'Neal - Player for the Boston Celtics, also a rapper and actor^[129]
  
• Hakeem Olajuwon^[130]
  
• Rasheed Wallace of the Boston Celtics^[131][132]
  

NFL

• Hamza Abdullah - Safety player for the Cleveland Browns^[133][134]
  
• Husain Abdullah - Safety player for the Minnesota Vikings^[135]
  
• Az-Zahir Hakim - Wide receiver player formerly for the St. Louis Rams^[136]
  
• Ryan Harris^[137]
  
• Abdul Hodge - Linebacker for the Carolina Panthers.^[11]
  
• Ahmad Rashād - Former player for Minnesota Vikings, award winning sports-caster (converted in 1972)^[138][139]
  
• Ephraim Salaam - Offensive tackle player for the Detroit Lions^[140]
  
• Muhammad Wilkerson - Defensive end for the New York Jets^[141]
  
• Usama Young - Free safety player for the New Orleans Saints^[142]
  

Wrestling

• Khosrow Daivari - Iranian American, former wrestler at the WWE^[143]
  
• Khosrow Vaziri (The Iron Sheik)^[144]
  

Mixed martial arts

• Muhammed Lawal former Strikeforce Light Heavyweight World Champion
  

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Ево листе православаца

Athletes

• Dimitar Berbatov – Football player
  
• Haile Gebrselassie – Runner
  
• Kenenisa Bekele - Runner
  
• Oksana Baiul - Figure Skating
  
• Dejan Bodiroga - Basketball Player
  
• Dwyane Wade - Basketball Player
  
• Anna Chakvetadze - Tennis Player
  
• Tirunesh Dibaba - Runner
  
• Abebe Bikila - runner
  
• Elena Dementieva - Tennis Player
  
• Novak Đoković - Tennis Player
  
• Daniel Nestor - Tennis Player
  
• Nadia Comăneci - Gymnast
  
• Vlade Divac - Basketball Player
  
• Pete Maravich - Basketball Player
  
• Meseret Defar - Runner
  
• Dragan Džajić - Football Player
  
• Aleksandar Đorđević - Basketball Player
  
• Jeff George - Former NFL Quarterback
  
• Alex Holmes - Football Player
  
• Ana Ivanović - Tennis Player
  
• Jelena Janković - Tennis Player
  
• Jaromír Jágr - Former NHL Hockey Player (mostly Pittsburgh Penguins). Russian Orthodox. Converted - is from Czech Republic.
  
• Vladimir Jugović - Football Player
  
• Victoria Azarenka - Tennis Player
  
• Yevgeny Kafelnikov - Tennis Player
  
• Andrei Kirilenko - Basketball Player
  
• Anna Kournikova - Tennis Player
  
• Svetlana Kuznetsova - Tennis Player
  
• Siniša Mihajlović - Football Player
  
• Predrag Mijatović - Football Player
  
• Anastasia Myskina - Tennis Player
  
• Ilie Năstase - Tennis Player
  
• Darko Pančev - Football Player
  
• Troy Polamalu - Football Player
  
• Alex Rodriguez - Baseball Player^{[citation needed]}
  
• Pete Sampras - Tennis player
  
• Dejan Savićević - Football player
  
• Dragoslav Šekularac - Football player
  
• Maria Sharapova - Tennis player
  
• Andriy Shevchenko - Football player
  
• Irina Slutskaya - Figure skater
  
• Dejan Stanković - Football player
  
• Predrag Stojaković - Basketball player
  
• Dragan Stojković - Football player
  
• Nemanja Vidić - Football player
  
• Lev Yashin - Football player
  
• Theodoros Zagorakis - Football player
  
• Sergei Gonchar - Hockey player
  
• Evgeni Malkin - NHL hockey player with Pittsburgh Penguins
  
• Gheorghe Hagi - Football player
  
• Cristian Chivu - Football player
  
• Adrian Mutu - Football player
  
• Gheorghe Popescu - Football player
  
• Evan Lysacek - Figure skater
  

[Млађони]

A sto se sporta tice mozda su vernici jer smatraju da ce im to doneti prednost u borbi. Bog nagradjuje verujuce, a kaznjava nevernike i te fore....

Believes does not need to be truе for it to be helpful

Замисли сад ја тренирам и дође неко и каже ми. Он тренира толико и толико има тај и тај распоред белог т.ј црвеног мишоићног ткива, генерална статистика му је таква и таква. Ти немаш ту генетику и мале су ти шансе да га победиш.

Да ли би ико успео тако да добије меч? Али ако би рекао себи, не занима ме ништа од тога, ја то могу т.ј када би био мало ирационалан можда би дошао до успеха?

Шта мислиш о томе?

[Odahviing]

To sam otprilike i hteo da kazem, mada se nisam bas najbolje izrazio.

[Александар Милојков]

Добри и успешни људи у друштву могу бити и теисти и атеисти. Ја ту не бих правио никакву поларизацију. Наравно, ако имамо у виду нормална, демократска друштва у виду. Разне "арабије" нису нам референца.

[Млађони]

Добри и успешни људи у друштву могу бити и теисти и атеисти. Ја ту не бих правио никакву поларизацију. Наравно, ако имамо у виду нормална, демократска друштва у виду. Разне "арабије" нису нам референца.

Нисам мислио успешни у друштву него у спорту. Искључиво ту.

Јербо сам приметио много спортиста који су дефинитивно јако религиозни. Моле се пред мечеве, крсте, посвећени верници.

Например, тајсон

Mani Pakijao

Кристијано Роналдо

Рекао би да комуникација са Свевишњим даје одређену снагу. Било тај свевишњи продукт маште или стваран.

[Ignjatije]

[Милан Меденица :)]

не бије бој ни Бог ни светло оружје, већ срце у јунака и вера у то да ће победити.

[Млађони]

Федор Емаилиенко

[Odahviing]

[quote name=Милан Меденица ' timestamp='1346368847' post='702198] не бије бој ни Бог ни светло оружје, већ срце у јунака и вера у то да ће победити.

Ne bije, ali mozda daje neku mentalnu snagu, samouverenost ukoliko neko misli da ima svevisnjeg na svojoj strani

Било тај свевишњи продукт маште или стваран.

[zuti car]

Ne bih ubrojao americke crnce koji su postali muslimani u zatvoru u prave vernike .Njima je islam sredstvo politicke borbe protiv belaca nije bas vera u pravom smislu reci .

[Млађони]

Ne bih ubrojao americke crnce koji su postali muslimani u zatvoru u prave vernike .Njima je islam sredstvo politicke borbe protiv belaca nije bas vera u pravom smislu reci .

Тајсон је без сумње посвећени муслиман.

http://islamforhumanity.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/why-mike-tyson-chose-islam/

[Млађони]

O, biju i Bog i vera boj, suprotno ispada da Bog ne pomaže, a srce u junaka - šta je junak, šta junaštvo? Zar je junak bik od dva metara koji krene na nas "obične" ili je jednostavno fizički jači, nije li on jednak kao "geek" koji "push the button", opali par rakete i onda je junak? A oni naši piloti 1999-e bili su isto "junaci", ali im pomoglo nije ništa.. Naime, junaštvo nije samo hrabrost, nego i razum, pamet, mudrost, naravno i ljubav inače si obični nasilnik, i u pravo vreme doneti pravu odluku.

Ајд не офтопикуј.

[Number15648]

Ђоковић, најбољи примјер.