Шта мислите о богословском дијалогу Православне Цркве са римокатолицима?

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Da, znam na sta ciljas.Primer za to je luburic pokatoliceni Srbin Iz Crne Gore, inace poznati koljac iz Jasenovca.Dejane ja i ti smo sa teritorije danasnje Hrvatske(mada da je to hrvatska teritorija je velika zabluda sto pokazuju manasitiri i groblja na tom tlu,al da nemesamo druge teme sa ovom).samim tim  sto smo iz tih krajeva bi trebali vrlo dobro da poznajemo RMK zajednicu i njeno dejstvovanje protiv pravoslavnog stanovnistva.

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Slava i hvala Bogu i na tome.Sablazni treba da dodji na svet, al tesko onom kroz koga dodju.

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[sasluzitelj]

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[konstantin]

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[Guest nikolastojanoviccuprija]

Opet i opet razgovarati bratski sa puno ljubavi ! Svemogucem BOGU je je sve moguce i da je hteo da svi budemo Pravoslavni mi bi to i bili ! I Rece BOG to i to i bi tako i tako ! Jednom Recju Bozijom milijardi dusa mogu da postanu Pravoslavne ali to kako vidimo nije tako ! Zar BOG te ljude ne voli ? Voli ih apsolutno isto kako i nas a koliko ih mi volimo ? Koliko im mi ljubav pokazujemo ?

[suza]

joj Boze kako i sto smo takvi ,sve vise se  izgleda  da se takmicenje otvara koje na kome nivou dragi brate    Predanja  predanja  zar  zaista tako mislis i to u ime Boga da  je neko pred njim samim  veci i n boljem nivou od drugih ,valjda smo  bar pred njim isti svi  ,sto namje problem toliki  sta smo zgrijesili kada da imamo takve muke zbog drugih

[Милица]

Добро је питање поставио о. Горан,

а на њега нико није одговорио.

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Το τελικό ανακοινώθεν της Μικτής Επιτροπής (Αγγλικά)

   

Γράφει ο/η Romfea.gr - 20:50   

22.10.09 

Αποκλειστικό - Το Πρακτορείο Εκκλησιαστικών Ειδήσεων «Romfea.gr» δημοσιεύει το τελικό ανακοινωθέν της Μικτής Επιτροπής Διαλόγου μεταξύ Ορθοδόξων και Ρ/Καθολικών,

που έγινε αυτές τις ήμερες στην Πάφο.

ΤΟ ΑΝΑΚΟΙΝΩΘΕΝ:

The eleventh meeting of the Joint International Commission for Theological Dialogue between the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church took place in Paphos, Cyprus, a city with a rich history, having received three Apostles, Paul, Barnabas and Mark. The meeting took place from 16-23 October 2009, generously and fraternally hosted by the Orthodox Church of Cyprus.

Twenty Catholic members were present; several more were unable to attend. All the Orthodox Churches, with the exception of the Patriarchate of Bulgaria, were represented, namely the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the Patriarchate of Alexandria, the Patriarchate of Antioch, the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the Patriarchate of Moscow, the Patriarchate of Serbia, the Patriarchate of Romania, the Patriarchate of Georgia, the Church of Cyprus, the Church of Greece, the Church of Poland, the Church of Albania and the Church of Czech Lands and Slovakia.

The Commission worked under the direction of its two co-presidents, Cardinal Walter Kasper and Metropolitan John of Pergamon, helped by the two co-secretaries, Metropolitan Gennadios of Sassima (Ecumenical Patriarchate) and Monsignor Eleuterio F. Fortino (Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity).

At the opening session on Saturday, 17 October, the Commission was welcomed very warmly by the host, Metropolitan Georgios of Paphos, who emphasized the importance of holding the meeting in this apostolic city, famous in the history not only of this island but of the whole of Christianity.

On Saturday, 17 October, the Catholic members celebrated the Eucharist in the Roman Catholic Church of the Holy Cross, Nicosia, presided over by Cardinal Walter Kasper, in the presence of the Orthodox members. In his homily he expressed the gratitude of the Catholic Delegation to the Church of Cyprus and especially to Metropolitan Georgios of Paphos for his warm hospitality, and stressed that the spirit of humility and love should prevail in the work of our Joint Commission, emphasizing the words of the Lord: “Whoever would be first among you shall make himself slave of all” (Mark 10:44). On Sunday, 18 October, the Orthodox members celebrated the Divine Liturgy in the Church of Phaneromeni, Nicosia, presided over by His Beatitude the Archbishop of Cyprus, Chrysostomos, in the presence of the Catholic members. In addressing those present, Archbishop Chrysostomos stated: “Together with all the other Orthodox Churches, we underline our firm insistence on the established basic poles of the ecclesiastical conscience of the first thousand years of the historical life of the Church. The Ecumenical Councils and the great Fathers of the first millennium are a guarantee of the authentic theological interpretation of the sacrament of the divine economy in Christ, and of its genuine experience by the faithful in the sacrament of the Church, which, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, extends the continuous and living presence of Jesus Christ in the world, until the end of time.”

Afterwards, the co-presidents, Cardinal Walter Kasper and Metropolitan John of Pergamon, together with Metropolitan Gennadios of Sassima, Cardinal Leonardo Sandri, Metropolitan Vasilios of Constantia-Famagusta and Archbishop Roland Minnerath, were welcomed at the Presidential Palace by the President of Cyprus, His Excellency Dimitris Christofias, who expressed his hope for the continuation of this important dialogue in a world still divided, like Cyprus itself, and expressed his good wishes for progress towards communion between the two Churches in the future.

The members of the Commission visited the Byzantine Museum, and had an official lunch at the Archbishopric, offered by H. B. Archbishop Chrysostomos.

During the afternoon, the members paid a visit to the Metochion of Kykkos Monastery and were welcomed very warmly by the Abbot, Metropolitan  Nikiphoros of Kykkos and Tylliria, and by Metropolitan Isaias of Tamassos and Orini. Later in the evening, Metropolitan Vasilios of Constantia-Famagusta hosted an official  dinner at his Metropolitanate in Paralimni. During the course of the week, the members also visited the Monastery of St. Neophytos and the archaeological sites of St. Paul in Paphos.

On the first day of the meeting, as is customary, the Roman Catholic and Orthodox members met separately to coordinate their work. The Orthodox meeting discussed among other things the negative reactions to the Dialogue by certain Orthodox circles, and unanimously considered them as totally unfounded and unacceptable, providing false and misleading information. All Orthodox members of the Commission reaffirmed that the Dialogue continues with the decision of all the Orthodox Churches and is pursued with faithfulness to the Truth and the Tradition of the Church. The Catholic meeting considered the draft text as a good basis for our work and confirmed the intention to continue the Dialogue with confidence and reciprocal trust, in obedience to the will of the Lord.

As was decided at the last plenary session in Ravenna, 2007, the Commission studied the theme ”The Role of the Bishop of Rome in the Communion of the Church in the First Millennium”, on the basis of a draft text prepared by the Joint Coordinating Committee, which met in Elounda, Crete, Greece last year. During this plenary meeting, the Commission carefully considered and amended the draft text of the Joint Coordinating Committee, and decided to complete its work on the text next year, by convening a further meeting of the Joint Commission. No final text has been decided upon, and any text that may be circulated is not valid.

It was decided that the 12th plenary meeting will be hosted by Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, in Vienna, Austria, from 20-27 September 2010.

The eleventh plenary session ended with Orthodox Vespers at St. Theodoros’ Cathedral in Paphos, followed by a reception offered by Metropolitan Georgios.

The meeting of the Joint Commission was marked by a spirit of friendship and trustful collaboration. The members of the Commission greatly appreciated the generous hospitality of the Church of Cyprus, and they strongly commend the continuing work of the dialogue to the prayers of the faithful.

Paphos, Cyprus, 22 October 2009.

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22.10.09  

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The final communiqué of the Joint Commission (English)

Written by Romfea.gr - 20:50

22.10.09

Exclusive - The RNN «Romfea.gr» publish the final communiqué of the Joint Committee on Dialogue between Orthodox and P / Catholics,

who done these days in Paphos.

THE PRESS:

[Guest Alefshin]

Овако је некад било( пролог за данашњи празник):

2. Св. мученици Зографски. Када цар Михаил Палеолог склопи с папом злогласну Лионску унију, да би од папе добио помоћ против Бугара и Срба, тада Светогорски монаси послаше цару протест против те уније и савет, да је одбаци и да се врати Православљу. Папа посла војску у помоћ Михаилу. И та латинска војска уђе у Св. Гору и почини таква варварства, каква Турци не починише никада за 500 година. Обесивши Прота и убивши многе монахе у Ватопеду, Иверу и по другим манастирима, латини нападоше на Зограф. Блажени игуман Тома објави претходно братији, да ко жели да се спасе од латина нека се склони из манастира, а ко жели мученичку смрт нека остане. И тако оста 26 људи, и то 22 монаха, са игуманом својим, и 4 световњака, који беху као радници манастирски. Сви се ови затворише у пирг (кулу) манастирску. Када латини дођоше, поджегоше кулу, те у огњу нађоше мученичку смрт њих 26 Христових јунака. Докле кула гораше они певаху Псалме и Акатист Пресветој Богородици, и предадоше своје свете душе Богу 10. октобра 1283. год. Исте године у децембру бедно сконча и нечестиви цар Михаил, против кога, а у заштиту Православља, беше се дигао српски краљ Милутин.

http://www.svetosavlje.org/biblioteka/prolog/index.php?m=10&d=10&a=1&date=10-2009

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“Љуби непријатеље своје, непријатеља Божијих се гнушај, а непријатеље Отачаства сатири.”

- Свети Митрополит Филарет Московски

[Светлана ПС]

Отпочело засиједање Мјешовите међународне комисије за богословски дијалог

У суботу 17. октобра, на Кипру је отпочело засиједање Мјешовите међународне комисије за богословски дијалог између Римокатоличке и Православне цркве. Учесници ће разматрати документ о улози римског папе у првом миленијуму, који је у октобру 2008. припремио Координациони комитет мјешовите комисије. Представници Руске Православне Цркве су и прије почетка рада Организационом комитету представили своје критичке примједбе.

У недељу 18. октобра, у Никозији је служена света Литургија, којом је началствовао поглавар Кипарске Цркве, Његово блаженство архиепископ Хризостом, уз саслужење представника Константинопољске, Александријске, Московске, Српске, Румунске и Грузијске Патријаршије, и Цркава Грчке, Пољске, Чешких земаља и Словачке. У служби су учествовали и лаици који на засиједању представљају Јерусалимску Патријаршију и Албанску Православну Цркву, а присутни су били и представници Римокатоличке цркве.

Након Литургије чланови комисије су посјетили никозијски метох чувеног манастира Кикос, гдје их је дочекао игуман Никифор.

Мјешовита комисија ће наставити са радом до 23. октобра.

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