Benedict XVI receives commission for the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Dialog

[Zayron]

Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI receives commission

for theological the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Dialog

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January 28, 2011. (-ONLY VIDEO-) Benedict XVI met with the commission for theological dialogue between the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches in the Vatican.

Relations with Orthodox churches

The Roman Catholic Church recognizes 21 Ecumenical or General Councils: Nicaea I (325), Constantinople I (381), Ephesus (431), Chalcedon (451), Constantinople II (553), Constantinople III (680--681), Nicaea II (787), Constantinople IV (869--870), Lateran I (1123), Lateran II (1139), Lateran III (1179), Lateran IV (1215), Lyons I (1245), Lyons II (1274), Vienne (1311--1312), Constance (1414--1418), Florence (1438--1445), Lateran V (1512--1517), Trent (1545--1563), Vatican I (1869--1870), Vatican II (1962--1965).

Of these, the orthodox Churches of Byzantine tradition accept only the first seven, the family of "non-Chalcedonian" or "pre-Chalcedonian" Churches only the first three, and the Nestorians only the first two.

In spite of this, dialogue has shown that even where the break with one of the Orthodox Churches occurred as far back as the Council of Ephesus (431) and the Council of Chalcedon (451), long before the break with Constantinople (1054), the few doctrinal differences often but not always concern terminology, not substance.

Emblematic of these differences in terminology is the "Common Christological Declaration between the Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the East",[4] signed by John Paul II, Bishop of Rome and Pope of the Catholic Church, and Mar Dinkha IV, Catholicos-Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East on November 11, 1994.

The division between the two Churches in question goes back to the disputes over the legitimacy of the expression Mother of God, as well as Mother of Christ for the Virgin Mary, that came to a head at the Council of Ephesus in 431.

The Common Declaration recalls that the Assyrian Church of the East prays to the Virgin Mary as "the Mother of Christ our God and Saviour", and the Catholic tradition addresses the Virgin Mary as "the Mother of God" and also as "the Mother of Christ", fuller expressions by which each Church clearly acknowledges both the divinity and the humanity of Mary's son. The co-signers of the Common Declaration could thus state: "We both recognize the legitimacy and rightness of these expressions of the same faith and we both respect the preference of each Church in her liturgical life and piety."

Some of the most difficult questions in relations with the ancient Eastern Churches concern not so much doctrine as practical matters such as the concrete exercise of the claim to papal primacy and how to ensure that ecclesial union would not mean mere absorption of the smaller churches by the Latin component of the much larger Catholic Church, the most numerous single religious denomination in the world, and the stifling or abandonment of their own rich theological, liturgical and cultural heritage.

At a meeting in Balamand, Lebanon in June 1993, the Joint International Commission for the Theological Dialogue between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches declared that these initiatives that "led to the union of certain communities with the See of Rome and brought with them, as a consequence, the breaking of communion with their Mother Churches of the East ... took place not without the interference of extra-ecclesial interests" (section 8); and that what has been called uniatism "can no longer be accepted either as a method to be followed nor as a model of the unity our Churches are seeking" (section 12).

[syd]

Nije nesto.

[Zayron]

Nije nesto.

@Syde

Pa ja ti reče da se mi ekumenišemo veselo i dalje, a to tamo

gdje nas ti niti čuješ ni vidš niti šta o nama znaš, hahahaha!

Ti se možeš antiekumenisat s Ihtusom i zilotima iz Vrdnika

i te vaše takozvane "true serbian orthodox church" ISPC!

Evo jedne njihove dubokoumne rasprave, da nisi ti onaj tamo "antoniusss"?

Original postavio antoniusss  

E upravo tako!!!

Ja sam morao da potegnem knjige iz engleskog. Pošao sam sa Zilotima zato što oni osuđuju sasluživanje SPC sa Katolicima (pošto sam ja Srbski nacionalista ježim sa na reč Katolik) i šta se dešava? 80% svih dijaloga se odvija na engleskom. Ja pomalo natucam engleski a jedan brat ne zna nikako pa me stalno pita šta se dešava, ja mu kažem da je žalosno što mi pod starost moramo učiti engleski u Istinitoj pravoslavnoj crkvi,on mi odgovori da je važnije biti dobar pravoslavac nego Srbin. Možda je u pravu, ali izgleda da je to previše za mene jer ja sam poistovećivao to dvoje (moja greška)

Čekaj malo, kod zilota na vrdniku su službe na engleskom!?! nemaju jeromonaha srbina?Pa to definitivno nije dobro iako nemam ništa protiv kineza i njegovog engleskog, ali što on da služi srbima?

Original postavio antoniusss  

Ja se ne šalim.

U Vrdniku je liturgiju služio kinez bez brade. Ne znam da li mu treba uskratiti spasenje,ali znam da sveštenik koji u saobraćajci izgubi ruku (bude fizički oštećen) ne može više da bude sveštenik. Da budem precizniji SAMO BOG ZNA zašto je obeležio kineze pa nemaju bradu.

Дакле немање браде је телесни недостатак?

Mislim da jeste, zato što kad se sveštenik rasčinjava njemu se obrije brada. Šta obrijati kinezu ako bude potrebno da se rasčini?

Hahaha, imaju tamo na Vrdniku Kineza bez brade zilotskog sveštenika i raskatoličenog Irca, taj im se tamo onda na engleskom moli ovako:

Original postavio antoniusss  

Ma ne smeta meni kinez kao kinez. Više mi smeta ovo što je rekao: We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. poklon. Još dok sam bio mali imo sam svoj pravac oni bili katolici a ja pravoslavac (da parafraziram Baju) AMIN (ne torta)

Evo cijele rasprava, hahahahaha, koja zona sumraka:

http://forum.krstarica.com/showthread.php/235778-Зилоти/page72

Syde, ja tebi jednom zasvagda objasnim kako je to s tim zilotima.

crvenilo

Sve te zilote, zurlote, tu takozvanu "istinitu pravoslavnu crkvu i starokalendarce" izmislili su zločeste i lukave Pape i jezuiti, kako bi podijelili pravoslavlje, hahahaha! Divide et impera, staro pravilo latina, zavadi pa vladaj! Tako da kad si kod zilota onda si ustvari kod nas, na pravom mjestu, tačno tamo gdje smo te mi imati i htjeli. I zato da vas imamo sve zilote  na jednom mjestu na okupu, recimo na Ihtusu i u ISPC da nam se ne razmilite na sve strane i ne hodate svaki kud koji kamo hoćete i kuda vam padne napamet. Ko bi vas inače sve upratio? To bi se živi smorili ganjajući vas posvuda po svijetu i po internetu! Ali izgleda nije se mislilo na takve kao ti Syde koji su sad tamo sad vamo! Jasno? Ispravimo to onda uskoro!

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