Православни научници - еволуционисти

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Митрополит Месогее и Лавреотике Никола Хаџиниколау

Митрополит Месогее и Лавреотике Никола Хаџиниколау је рођен у Солуну, постдипломске и докторске студије из области астрофизике и биомедицинске технологије завршио је на Харварду и на Технолошком институту у Масачусетсу, а упоредо завршава и постдипломске студије на Теолошком факултету Часног Крста у Бостону. Од 1989. је предавач на неколицини високошколских установа као што су: Критски универзитет, Атински универзитет, Православни институт Баламанд у Либану; оснивач је првог Центра за биомедицинску етику и деондологију у Грчкој, предсједник Специјалне комисије за биоетику Светог Синода Грчке Православне Цркве и члан Националног одбора за трансплатацију. 2004. године је изабран за Епископа Месогее и Лавреотике.

http://www.eparhija-zahumskohercegovacka.com/?q=node/1190

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Bishop Alexander (Mileant)

His Grace the Right Reverend Bishop Alexander (Mileant) of Buenos Aires and South America was the ROCOR bishop of Buenos Aires from 1998 until his repose on September 13, 2005.

Bishop Alexander (Mileant) of Buenos Aires and South America
Biography

Bishop Alexander was born Alexander Vasilievich Mileant in Odessa, Russia in 1938. During the Second World War his father disappeared at the front, and his family, fleeing the Bolsheviks, went to the West. They lived in Prague, in Rome, and finally in Buenos Aires, where the young Alexander received his primary education and then completed a seven-year electro-technical school. He worked as a machine draftsman for several companies. He then enrolled in Buenos Aires University.

From the age of 8, Alexander served as an altar boy under Archbishop Panteleimon, then under Archbishop Afanassy, who took him under his wing and gave him three years of formal theological training. Vladyka Afanassy possessed a great theological library. Wishing to read the works of the Holy Fathers in the original, Alexander first learned modern Greek, then ancient Greek.

At the end of 1963, Alexander enrolled at Holy Trinity Seminary in Jordanville, New York, which he graduated with a Bachelor’s Degree in Theology in 1967. A year earlier, Archbishop Averky (Taushev) ordained him to the diaconate, and during Great Lent, Metropolitan Philaret (Voznesensky) of blessed memory ordained him to the priesthood and sent to Protection of the Holy Virgin Russian Orthodox Church in Los Angeles, where he served as rector for 31 years. From 1971-1985, Fr Alexander led several youth pilgrimages to Greece and the Holy Land. While spiritually nourishing his flock, Fr Alexander continued his scientific education, receiving a Bachelor’s Degree in Electronics in 1978, then a Master’s Degree in Electronics, and finally, in 1983, an Engineer’s Degree from the University of Southern California in Communications. He worked in the Jet Propulsion Laboratory of NASA. His lay work enabled Fr Alexander to become an expert in computers, which in turn helped him publish numerous missionary pamphlets which enjoyed great popularity in Russia and abroad. Today there are over 300 brochures published in Russian, English and Spanish on Orthodox Christianity.

In 1995, Protopriest Alexander was tonsured a monk in Holy Trinity Monastery and given the name Alexander in honor of Holy Martyr Archbishop Alexander of Kharkov, who died in prison in 1939 (until then, Fr Alexander bore the name of St Alexander Nevsky, on whose feastday he reposed).

On May 28, 1998, Archimandrite Alexander was consecrated a bishop at the Synodal Cathedral in New York and appointed Ruling Bishop of Buenos Aires and South America.

After a lengthy and heroic battle with cancer, Bishop Alexander reposed in the Lord on the night of September 12-13, 2005. Pannikhida services were held at the Holy Trinity Church in Oxnard, California. On September 18, 2005, his coffin was brought to Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville, New York, where, on the following day he was burried.

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Alexander_(Mileant)_of_Buenos_Aires

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Срећко, не види се из изложеног да су православни научници које нам представљаш еволуционисти. Нити да нису. Наслов теме, дакле, није прикладан да би се доказивало да они јесу еволуционисти. Тема је лепа, јер нам представља наше научнике и то је прави наслов теме.

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Ајд, поткрепи. Мој муж и ја нисмо нашли у књизи Митрополита негде јасно да је он отворено еволуциониста. Тј. он објашњава ствари на основу оног што је научио званичним ставом на факултету, бранећи став да научено не смета нашој вери. Разумеш ли разлику? Не поставља се као заступник еволуциониста, а против анти-еволуциониста.

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Ево и потврда да православни о којима је реч овде немају никакав проблем са еволуционом науком и не сматрају је штетном за хришћанску веру, јер смо имали примедбу да је тема шупља, пошто се у њој не види да су ти научници у сагласју са ТЕ.

...Thus, thanks to faith, we come to the conviction that the world which surrounds us is not eternal but came to existence by the will of One Allwise Creator. He created us and gave us an immortal soul so that we may share with Him eternal and blessed life. As a matter of fact, faith was often ahead of scientific discoveries by stating, for example, that our world is not eternal but appeared some time ago from “nothing” (the “Big bang” theory), that its origin is not matter but energy, that it gradually evolved from lower to higher states (theory of evolution), that there is a unity in the laws of nature (modern searches for a unifying force), that there should exist other worlds different from ours (the search for extraterrestrial intelligence), and so on...

Bishop Alexander (Mileant), Faith & Knowledge, http://russianchurchwebsites.com/faithandknowledge.html, http://www.stirene.org/library/theology_keys.html

...Recently departed in the Lord, bishop and former NASA scientist, Alexander Mileant, was an advocate of theistic evolution. In his view, God selected Adam and Eve from a population of highly evolved hominids and made them human, in His image...

http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/orthodox/web/theistic_evolution.html

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Ако сам добро разумела, Епископ Александар мири теорију еволуције са Светим Писмом Старог Завета уводећи претпоставку да би се могло протумачити да су Адам и Ева изабрани као напреднији између чланова своје врсте и од тада надаље важи све оно што ми знамо из Старог Завета. Или нисам добро разумела? Ајд, преведи тачно.

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Светлана, добро си разумела, отприлике је тако. Ако те занима детаљније, читај, ја се нисам нешто удубљивао, а и не занима ме много. Како рекох, све ово је само одговор на оно што тврди о. Горан, са чиме се не слажем.

Ево још једног рада еп. Александра (Руска Загранична Црква), да не гушим форум са текстом оставићу само линк:

Bishop Alexander (Mileant), The Origins of the World and Mankind: An Attempt to Reconcile the Biblical Account with Scientific Discoveries, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1595229/posts

Још радова епископа Александра:

http://unjobs.org/authors/alexander-mileant

Његова биографија:

http://www.fatheralexander.org/hisgrace.htm

Његов сајт:

http://www.fatheralexander.org/

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? ?? ??????? ????? ??????:"??? ???????????-?????????????, ?? ??????? ???? ?????, ?? ?????? ?? ?????, ???? ?? ????, ? ????? ?????, ??????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ? ?????????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????????? ????? ???????."

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??, ??? ?? ????????, ??? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ??? ?? ???? ????? ???? ??????? ????? ?? ???? ???????? ???? ??????. ??? ???? ????. ???? ?????, ????????, ?? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?????? - ????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ? ????????? ???? ? ???? ????? ?????? ???????, ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?????????? ?? ?????, ??? ?? ????? ?????????? ? ????? ? ??????? ?????????. ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??? ???? - ??? ?. ?????, ???? ?? ????????? ????????? ?? "?????" ? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????????? ????????? ? ??????????. ??? ?? ?? ????????, ? ???? ?????????? ????? ??? ????? ??????. ?????, ? ???? ??.

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Само да знаш, сад си ме баш заинтересовао да видим шта то пишу ти секташи креационисти научници. Зар нема и других људи научника који се слажу с тим ставом, само баптисти?

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Нису само баптисти, на оном списку код о. Горана имаш и презвитеријанце, адвентисте и муновце.

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Па то мислим, да ли само секташи прихватају те ставове? Наравно, том логиком, сви су секташи, цео свет, тако да можеш рећи да су сви ти научници креационисти секташи. Али и Дарвин је припадао у ту групу људи, јер ни он није био Православни Хришћанин. Док у теорији еволуције има и секташа и безбожника.