Postojanje ostalih polova izuzev dva opštepoznata (muškog i ženskog)

[Odahviing]

Zanima me vaše mišljenje o pojmu gender. Da objasnim  u suštini prevod bi bio pol (muški npr.), međutim u engleskom jeziku se razlikuju pojmovi sex i gender. Dok bi ovaj prvi bio biološki pol i određuje ga genetika i bologija, ovaj drugi (gender) određuje društvo(?). U suštini ono si za šta se smatraš da si. U ovom drugom slučaju ne postoje samo ženski i muški polovi već i mnogi drugo.

 

Ovde ne pričam o ljudima sa genetskim poremećajima, kojih ima i to ne sporim. Već o ljudima 100% rođeni kao muškarci ili žene, ali se uzjašnjavaju drugačije. Pre godiinu dana u Velikoj Britaniji na Facebooku su uveli 71 mogućih polova, koje možedete izabrati prilikom registracije, dok je u Americi moguće 50.

 

Neki od ostalih polova koi postoje (ENG):

Agender (non-gender): “not identifying with any gender, the feeling of having no gender.” (HTWG) “a term used to describe a person without gender. This person can be any physical sex, but their body does not necessarily correspond with their lack of gender identity” [*]

Androgyne: “1. A person whose biological sex is not readily apparent. 2. A person who is intermediate between the two traditional genders. 3. A person who rejects gender roles entirely.” (HTWG)

Bigender: “To identify as both genders and/or to have a tendency to move between masculine and feminine gender-typed behavior depending on context, expressing a distinctly male persona and a distinctly female persona, two separate genders in one body.” (HTWG)

(Nonbinary) Butch: “Holding a nonbinary gender identity and a butch gender expression, or claiming Butch as an identity outside of the gender binary” [*]

Crossdresser: “A person who, regardless of motivation, wears clothes, makeup, etc. that are considered by the culture to be appropriate for another gender but no one’s own (preferred term to “transvestite”). This gender non-conforming behavior should not be conflated with queer sexualities. Many cross-dressers are heterosexual and conduct their cross-dressing on a part-time basis. Cross-dressing might also be termed gender non-conforming behavior.” (HTWG)

Demienby: “A term indicating that the person’s gender is partially or only slightly nonbinary.” [*]

Demigirl: “Can be used to describe either someone assigned female at birth who feels but the barest association with that identification, though not a significant enough dissociation to create real physical discomfort or dysphoria, or someone assigned male at birth who is transfeminine but not wholly binary-identified, so that they feel more strongly associated with “female” than “male,” socially or physically, but not strongly enough to justify an absolute self-identification as “woman.” [*]

Demiguy: “Can be used to describe either someone assigned male at birth who feels but the barest association with that identification or as someone assigned female at birth who is transmasculine but not wholly binary-identified, so that they feel a vague association with social or physical “masculinity” but not one strong enough to justify an absolute self-identification as a “man.” [*]

Enby: Derived from abbreviation NB for non-binary. Enbyfriend can be used as a neutral romantic or sexual partner term. [*] [*]

Epicene: “The term epicene literally means “common to both sexes.” It sometimes refers to individuals who have characteristics of both genders or someone who cannot be classified as one sex or the other. Most often, it refers to effeminate males.” [*]

(Nonbinary) Femme: “Holding a nonbinary gender identity and a femme gender expression, or claiming Femme as an identity outside of the gender binary.” [*]

Gender fluid: “Referring to a gender identity that changes with time and/or situation as opposed to a fix sex-role or gender queer expression” [10]

Genderflux: Similar to gender fluid, but involving a shift in “intensity”. [*] [*]

GenderFuck: “The idea of playing with gender cues to purposely confuse, mix, or combine a culture’s standard or stereotypical gender expressions.” (HTWG)

Girlfag: “A woman who is very attracted to gay/bi men. She may (or may not) also feel she is (fully or partly) a “gay man in a woman’s body”. Girlfags may identify primarily as bi or straight or lesbian, and are often attracted to more types of people than just gay/bi men.” [11]

Guydyke: “A man who is very attracted to lesbian/bi women. He may (or may not) also feel he is (fully or partly) a “lesbian in a man’s body”. Guydykes may identify primarily as bi or straight or gay, and are often attracted to more types of people than just lesbian/bi women.” [11]

Intergender: “A person whose gender identity is between genders or a combination of genders.” (HTWG)

Neutrois: “An identity used by individuals who feel they fall outside the gender binary. Many feel Neutrois is a gender, like a third gender while others feel agendered.” [12]

Pangender: “A person whose gender identity is comprised of many gender expressions.” (HTWG)

Pomosexual: “the queer erotic reality beyond the boundaries of gender, separatism, and essentialist notions of sexual orientation”. Generally used conceptually rather than a stand-alone identity term. See also PoMoSexuals: Challenging Assumptions About Gender and Sexuality (1997).

Third Gender: Term often used in anthropological studies to set apart identities other than man or woman that appear across different cultures. Can have colonial connotations, use with caution. See also Gilbert H. Herdt’s Third Sex, Third Gender: Beyond Sexual Dimorphism in Culture and History (1996) and Serena Nanda’s Gender Diversity: Crosscultural Variations (2000).

Trigender: “People who feel they are neither male nor female, but not androgynous either and construct their own gender.” (HTWG) Trigender may also be used to refer to one who moves between three genders, as bigender is used to refer to those who move between two genders.

Transmasculine: “A term used to describe those were were assigned female at birth who feel wholly dissociated from female gender identification, and are, if not wholly male-identified, are at a place much closer to that end of the binary spectrum, either through a preference towards behavioral or physical “masculinity,” or through being in a state similar to that of a demiguy, where they may feel “weakly male,” but not very attached to the idea of being a “man.” [*]

Transfeminine: “A term used to describe those who were assigned the male gender at birth, but who feel wholly dissociated from male gender identification, and who, if not wholly female-identified, are at a place much closer to that end of the binary spectrum, either through a preference towards behavioral or physical “femininity,” or through being in a state similar to that of a demigirl, where they may feel “weakly female,” but not very attached to the idea of being a “woman.” [*]

 

Kakva su vaša mišljenja na ovu temu. Tj. da li smatrate da  je pol određen isključivo bilošoka karakteristika čoveka i da ih ima samo 2. Predodređena rođenjem ili je to nešto na šta utiče društvo i što određuje sam čovek i da ih ima preko 70?

[Odahviing]

Какво је твоје мишљење о томе?

Moje da je sve veliki BS.

Ako imaš Y hromozom muško si, a ako imaš XX žensko si sve ostalo je veliki BS i izmišlanje tople vode da bi se ljudi osećali posebno i različiti od drugih.

[Goku]

Moje da je sve veliki BS. Ako imaš Y hromozom muško si, a ako imaš XX žensko si sve ostalo je veliki BS i izmišlanje tople vode da bi se ljudi osećali posebno i različiti od drugih.

Identično.

Neravno uz ograničenje koje si i sam naveo u prvom postu teme
 

 

Ovde ne pričam o ljudima sa genetskim poremećajima, kojih ima i to ne sporim. Već o ljudima 100% rođeni kao muškarci ili žene, ali se uzjašnjavaju drugačije.

[Ignjatije]

Погледај магнет, планету Земљу, родитеље... себе.

[ИгорМ]

Да ме не схвате људи погрешно, не знам шта је основа таквог изјашњавања? Ако је у питању нешто на тему слободе - како се осећам, не видим да је понуђена опција: Паја Патак (оно када ти наиђе период да ти све иде наопако па се тако осећаш) [Već o ljudima 100% rođeni kao muškarci ili žene, ali se uzjašnjavaju drugačije.]

 

мушко/женско

 

П.С. Само не још једна геј тема 

[Deja Vu]

To se verovatno odnosi na rod. Pol je seksualne, bioloske prirode, a rod je drustveno konstruisan, pa tako pored muskog i zenskog pola o kom govorimo u bioloskom smisl, postoje i drustvene konstrukcije muskog i zenskog roda (npr. muskarac je neko ko rinta ceo dan da bi zaradio pare, prljav je znojav, glavni u kuci, lupa sakom od sto, a zena je neko ko cuva decu i vodi racuna o kuci, cista je, ispeglana, ne lupa sakom od sto i tako). Ovo drugo su feministkinje kritikovale, a neke nesto ekstremnije pogotovo postmoderne smatraju da bi citavo drustvo trebalo dekonstruisati i na neki nacin radikalno izmeniti kako vise ne bi dominirali muski elementi. 

 

Sad to verovatno ima veze i sa ovim, da npr. neki ljudi traze da se izraze kako hoce kako bi se srusio taj drustveno konstruisan rod. 

Medjutim, kad bi neko takav otisao kod lekara on bi ga klasifikovao kao musko-zensko, ne bi bilo tih 70 vrsta roda, jer biologija ne zna za tako nesto, kod coveka biologija kao nauka razlikuje samo dva pola pored tih genetskih poremecaja.