Тема о КОРОНАВИРУСУ... све на једном месту

[haveaniceday]

пре 20 минута, Avocado рече

Pa moram da ispravim... jer su u pitanju bezvezni retorički trikovi... kad kažeš da kišobran ne štiti od kiše zato što ti je 10 kapljica palo na nogavice to je jeftin retorički trik... potpuno je besmisleno da za nešto što štiti u 90% slučajeva kažeš "ne štiti" jer eto ne štiti 100%...

 

 

ахахахахахаххахаха рече лик који ми аргументеује да црнци нису црњи због сунца јер африка исто као и европа има зиму хахахахах 
И онда ја правим будалу од себе по форумима.... 

[Avocado]

Управо сада, haveaniceday рече

ахахахахахаххахаха рече лик који ми аргументеује да црнци нису црњи због сунца јер африка исто као и европа има зиму хахахахах 

U brate, ti si baš otišao u .... s mozgom... opasne haludže...

[haveaniceday]

Управо сада, Avocado рече

Popuni onaj formular... biće ti verovatno malo lakše...

мени је никада јаче, гледам твоје лицемерство лајв и уживам... само ме занима да ли стварно верујеш да си ти тај који није софиста и реторичар ал други јесу... и питам се како се не забринеш за овај свет када си већ 10 година констатно и све у праву са киме год да разговараш о чему год.. 

[haveaniceday]

Управо сада, Avocado рече

U brate, ti si baš otišao u .... s mozgom... opasne haludže...

Нема халуџа матори. Твој аргумент "и црнци имају агрикултуру" је једнак аргументу "и црнци имају зиму"

јер је агрикултура у африци занемарљива колико и зима у африци када причамо о разликама између африканаца и европљана. 

[dragisa]

пре 28 минута, Avocado рече

ti skrećeš priču sa očigledne činjenice

ne nego ti meni učitavaš nešto što ja nisam rekao...

ako nekad navedem neki video ne znači da citiram ceo video... vrlo često stavim minutažu na koji deo videa se odnosi moje citiranje

btw to radim jer u "zaverološkim" videima imam citirana dokumenta ili izjave koje teško sam mogu da iskopam... da li to znači da prenosim i njihova viđenja ili komentare, ne ne znači, navodim ih samo kao materijal gde se konkretno spominje neka izjava ili članak (koji oni kasnije po svom nahođenju komentarišu)

tako da nemoj da se brineš da li mene neko laže ili ne nego čitaj šta pišem  i ne izmišljaj više 

[Avocado]

пре 1 минут, haveaniceday рече

Нема халуџа матори. Твој аргумент "и црнци имају агрикултуру" је једнак аргументу "и црнци имају зиму"

 

[haveaniceday]

Управо сада, Avocado рече

 

иди тамо на тему па ми објасни зашто су црнци црни, па онда покушај да објасниш еволутивно зашто имају другачију скелеталну грађу (дуже ноге) 

[Avocado]

пре 2 минута, dragisa рече

ne nego ti meni učitavaš nešto što ja nisam rekao...

"Učitavam" ti da si postavio izvore koji lažu...

 

пре 2 минута, dragisa рече

ako nekad navedem neki video ne znači da citiram ceo video... vrlo često stavim minutažu na koji deo videa se odnosi moje citiranje

Pa to si i uradio:

пре 22 часа, dragisa рече

inače pogledaj i tvrdnju US Todady 08:08

 

[dragisa]

@Avocado lepo piše pogledaj tvrdnju US Today, u sledećem postu čak i iskopao originalni članak

 

[Avocado]

пре 15 минута, dragisa рече

@Avocado lepo piše pogledaj tvrdnju US Today, u sledećem postu čak i iskopao originalni članak

Aha... i u tom originalnom članku ne piše ono što ovaj pajser kaže da piše... dakle, pajser na 08:08 laže... tvrdnja USA Today koju si mi rekao da pogledam nije tvrdnja USA Today, nego laž ovog pajsera...  stvarno ne znam šta je sporno...

[dragisa]

ovi u CDC nešto muljaju opasno:

u članku WP The war has changed’: Internal CDC document urges new messaging, warns delta infections likely more severe

kaže se između ostalog sledeće:

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant.

kada se ode na članak ‘Where’s the data?’

 

Some outside scientists have their own message: Show us the data.

“They’re making a claim that people with delta who are vaccinated and unvaccinated have similar levels of viral load, but nobody knows what that means,” said Gregg Gonsalves, an associate professor at the Yale School of Public Health. “It’s meaningless unless we see the data.”

 

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Postavja se pitanje:

 

- koji su to podatci,

- zašto javno nisu prezentovani i ako je na osnovu njih doneta odluka o maskama (koja je radikalno drugačija, zaokret od 180' u odnosu na dosadašnje izjave CDC zvaničnika) 

- da li možda pokazuju nešto što CDC ne želi da obznani javnosti

 

u svakom slučaju završnica je vrlo interesantna (kao da žele a nas slude):

She said the data comes from outbreak investigations in which researchers compared delta infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

The data will be “published imminently,” according to a federal official knowledgeable about the research but who was not authorized to be a spokesperson for the government.

“These data were alarming and recently presented,” the official said Wednesday. “We saw the data and thought it was urgent enough to act — in the context of a steeply rising, preventable fourth surge of covid-19.”

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po hitnom postupku doneta je odluka da svi i vakcinisani i ne vakcinisani MORAJU da nose maske u zatvorenom

[dragisa]

a koliko vidim pre sat vremena izbaciše članak o toj outbreak investigations analizi. podatci se tiču upravo Masatčuseca i Provinstauna koji sam spominjao.

da ne bude da nešto "tumačim" postavljjam članak u celini pošto još nije vidljiv osim ako niste pretplaćeni na WP ali vidi se iz keša.

dakle:

[dragisa]

(podebljavanja i bojenja moja)

 

CDC study shows three-fourths of people infected in Massachusetts covid-19 outbreak were vaccinated

By 

Carolyn Y. Johnson

, 

Yasmeen Abutaleb

 and 

Joel Achenbach

 

Today at 1:00 p.m. EDT

 

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A sobering scientific analysis published Friday of an explosive Massachusetts covid-19 outbreak fueled by the delta variant found that three-quarters of the people who became infected were fully vaccinated. The report, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, bolstered the hypothesis that vaccinated people can spread the more transmissible variant and may be a factor in the summer surge of infections.

 

The data, detailed in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, provided key evidence that convinced agency scientists to reverse recommendations on mask-wearing and advise that vaccinated individuals wear masks in indoor public settings in some circumstances.

Critically, the study found that vaccinated individuals carried as much virus in their noses as unvaccinated individuals, and that vaccinated people could spread the virus to each other. The CDC was criticized this week for changing its mask guidance without citing unpublished data. The report released Friday contains that data.

 

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“This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC’s updated mask recommendation,” CDC director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. “The masking recommendation was updated to ensure the vaccinated public would not unknowingly transmit virus to others, including their unvaccinated or immunocompromised loved ones.”

Scientists said the Provincetown outbreak and other recent data on breakthrough infections make clear that the vaccines do work, as hoped, against severe illness and death, but do not offer blanket protection against any chance of infection. Only a handful of people in the outbreak were hospitalized, but four of them were fully vaccinated.

A CDC internal document obtained by The Washington Post estimated that 35,000 vaccinated people a week in the United States are having symptomatic breakthrough infections out of a vaccinated population of more than 162 million. Vaccination coverage is higher than average in Massachusetts, with nearly 70 percent of residents fully vaccinated.

 

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“This shows the delta is formidable,” said Larry Corey, a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. “We can’t take one report of packed bars and extrapolate and say the sky is falling. The sky is not falling. But it does say the vaccine is not infallible.

“Common sense has to be used,” Corey said. “It’s a learning moment, it’s a teaching moment. You can’t overlook the vast data we have on the effectiveness of the vaccine.”

The study’s authors note that Massachusetts has a high vaccination rate and the virus was still able to spread.

“Findings from this investigation suggest that even jurisdictions without substantial or high COVID-19 transmission might consider expanding prevention strategies, including masking in indoor public settings regardless of vaccination status,” they write.

 

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Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist with the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, noted that the new CDC guidance on indoor masking for vaccinated people applies to communities with substantial transmission, and Provincetown on July 3 had low levels of virus.

“What this tells us is we need much more context and better data to guide whether and when vaccinated people should wear masks because following CDC’s new guidance wouldn’t have stopped this outbreak from occurring,” Nuzzo said.

The internal CDC document obtained by The Post and published Thursday states that the delta variant is as transmissible as chickenpox and likely to cause more severe infections. That document also shows the CDC believes it needs to revamp its public communications strategy to stress the importance of vaccinations as the best way to crush the pandemic while acknowledging that breakthrough infections are more common than top health officials have previously indicated.

 

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Provincetown is famous for its party scene and is at the tip of Cape Cod in a festive July 4 environment that could have, and did, prove ideal for explosive spread of the more contagious delta variant.

The outbreak has all the hallmarks of a superspreader event, with infected people reporting to public health officials that they gathered in “densely packed indoor and outdoor events that included bars, restaurants, guest houses and rental homes.” The full outbreak, which began July 4, is close to 900 cases, but the analysis included only a subset of them.

About three-quarters of cases occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, and that group had received vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson.

 

Scientists at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, a research institute in Cambridge, Mass., involved in the genetic analysis of the outbreak highlighted that this was not a single event. At least five events sparked the outbreak, so it is not possible to blame it on one party or one bar.

 

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“There’s no one person or spot to blame here,” said Daniel Park, group leader for viral computational genomics at the Broad Institute. “The thing that’s catching the attention in national public health is that you can have these types of events; there’s no one particular bar that did any worse than another. Simply mixing that many people in one place with delta going around, with a decently high vaccination rate isn’t quite enough.”

The scientists, along with officials at the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, reported that 79 percent of vaccinated breakthrough infections were symptomatic. Four of five people who were hospitalized were fully vaccinated. They are analyzing the genetic fingerprints of the virus samples taken now to trace chains of transmission and determine how commonly fully vaccinated people were infecting one another.

 

“We are at an inflection point, I’d say we are in a moment right now a crossroads, a fork in the road where we can either try and take a road to end the pandemic or take a path that will prolong it — a potential nightmare scenario,” said Pardis Sabeti, a geneticist at the Broad and Harvard University.

 

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The study makes clear that vaccines offer significant protection, but do not prevent infection entirely even among the fully vaccinated. On July 3, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health reported a 14-day average of zero covid-19 cases per 100,000 in Barnstable County — but by July 17, that number had increased to 177 cases per 100,000.

“This report demonstrates that vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 is not perfect, particularly in a setting with a highly contagious variant, in a large group in close contact, even if most are vaccinated against the virus,” said Gregg Gonsalves, associate professor at the Yale School of Public Health. “The good news here: If you’re vaccinated, refrain from large group gatherings and mask up, chances are good you’ll be okay. This is not 2020. But we’re not out of the woods.”

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Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)

 

"Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants." 

Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.

[Tumaralo.]

пре 14 часа, dragisa рече

"Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants." 

 

Bojim se da je korona-psihopatama ovo i bio cilj sve vreme.

Imam neki utisak da će predstojeća sezona jesen-zima biti vreme Velikog Umiranja.

Postovao sam ranije ovde da je vlada UK raspisala tender za masovne "body storage" za slučaj da se popune svi kapaciteti u mrtvačnicama, krematorijumima, grobljima itd.

Može biti ovako nešto: ADE nastupi kod vakcinisanih  + mutacija smrtonosnijih virusa i kao rezultat imamo pomor (i vaxovanih i nevaxovanih).

U najboljem slučaju imaćemo nešto kao danas u Australiji - vojna kovid diktatura bez ili sa malo smrti od kovida.