Zašto čistilište nije srednjevekovna fikcija?

[Bernard]

1 Korinčanom 3

10 Po Božji milosti, ki mi je bila dana, sem kot moder gradbenik položil temelj, drug pa zida naprej. Vsak pa naj gleda, kako zida naprej. 11 Drugega temelja namreč nihče ne more položiti namesto tistega, ki je že položen, in ta je Jezus Kristus. 12 Če pa kdo na tem temelju zida zlato, srebro, dragocene kamne, les, seno ali slamo – 13 delo vsakega bo postalo vidno. Razkril ga bo namreč dan, ker se bo razodel z ognjem, in ogenj bo preizkusil, kakšno je delo tega ali onega.14 Kdor bo gradil na temelju, bo prejel plačilo, če bo njegovo delo zdržalo. 15 Tisti pa, čigar delo bo zgorelo, bo trpel škodo. Sam se bo sicer rešil, vendar kakor skozi ogenj.

https://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?m=1+Kor+3&id13=1&pos=0&set=2&l=sl

[Bernard]

Vjerovanje u ČISTILIŠTE – nasljeđeno je od apostola

Samo duša bez ljage grijeha može ući u nebo jer “Ništa nečisto nikada neće u nj ući” (Otk 21,27).

U pakao idu oni koji umru u smrtnom grijehu, no gdje idu oni koji umru duše okaljane oprostivim grijesima? Odgovor glasi: U čistilište.

Iako je sama riječ čistilište Bibliji nepoznata, ideja o njemu postoji, kao što postoji i ideja Trojstva, iako se ni ono izravno ne spominje. Osim toga, povijesna je činjenica da su kršćani od samog početka vjerovali u čistilište,štoviše, da su u nj vjerovali još i starozavjetni Izraelci, što dokazuje ne samo Biblija, već i drugi židovski spisi nastali još prije Isusa (primjerice Život Adama i Eve, 46). Ortodoksni Židovi i danas u nj vjeruju, te 11 mjeseci poslije nečije smrti mole takozvani kaddish za očišćenje pokojnikove duše. Tako su Juda Makabejac i njegovi sljedbenici koji su ostali vjerni židovstvu (2 Mak 8,1), zbog molitve za mrtve zaslužuili pohvalu (2 Mak 12,40-42): “Učinio je to vrlo lijepo i plemenito djelo, jer je mislio na uskrsnuće. Jer da nije vjerovao da će pali vojnici uskrsnuti, bilo bi suvišno i ludo moliti za mrtve… Zato je za pokojne prinio žrtvu naknadnicu, da im se oproste grijesi” (2 Mak 12,43-45). Molitve i žrtve naknadnice očito ne trebaju onima koji su već u raju, a dušama u paklu neće pomoći nikakve molitve, jer su one već osuđene na“oganj vječni” (Mt 25,41). To znači da mora postojati i neko treće stanje, no baš zato što ovi redci o tome govore neporecivo, protestanti su, samo da zaniječu nauk o čistilištu, iz Svetog pisma izbacili obje knjige o Makabejcima. Napomenimo da se sve do 16. stoljeća, to jest do pojave LUTHERA, baš nitko nije sjetio osporiti ovu doktrinu, koja je oduvijek bila, pa i danas ostala temeljnim elementom vjere Božjeg naroda (Crkve). A PROTESTANTI su ukinuli čistilište samo zato što se nije uklapalo u njihovu doktrinu sola fide.U trenutku smrti čovjek dolazi pred osobni sud (Heb 9,27), i više nema povratka, a posljednji će pak sud nastupiti na kraju svijeta, kad se Isus vrati u slavi da sudi žive i mrtve (Mt 25, 31-32). Razlika između osobnog i posljednjeg suda je u tome što nakon osobnog suda duša, već prema svojim djelima, ide u nebo, čistilište ili pakao (1 Pt 1,17), dok će nakon posljednjeg suda tijela mrtvih uskrsnuti, pa će jedni u raj, a drugi u pakao (Otk 20,12-15). Nakon posljednjeg će suda čistilište prestati postojati.

 

Svrha čistilišta je pročišćenje duše koja se spasila, ali nije dovoljno čista da uđe u nebo, jer bez posvećenja nitko neće vidjeti Gospodina (Heb 12,14). Konačno se spasenje postiže posvećenjem Duha (2 Sol 2,13), i ono nije samo opcija, ono je apsolutno neophodno nužno za ulazak u raj. Čak i kad nam se oproste grijesi, ipak moramo dati zadovoljštinu, platiti naknadu. Razbijemo li susjedu prozor, pokajanje nije dovoljno, već moramo i nadoknaditi štetu. Tako i duša koja se u posljednjem trenutku života pokajala za grijehe, nemajući ih više kada platiti u ovom svijetu, bit će doduše spašena, ali će naknadu morati dati u čistilištu.Bog nije samo MILOSTIV, nego i PRAVEDAN, a pravednost traži zadovoljštinu (naknadu).

 

Napokon, zar bi bilo pravedno da netko tko je čitav život proveo u razvratu i grijehu, samo zato što se pred smrt pokajao, ode ravno u raj kao i onaj koji se čitav život držao Božjih zapovijedi?

Pokajanje predmnijeva i zadovoljštinu.

Prisjetimo se kako se David pokajao za svoj grijeh i od Boga zatražio oproštenje, koje je i dobio, ali samo uz naknadu: “Jahve ti oprašta tvoj grijeh: nećeš umrijeti. Ali jer si tim djelom prezreo Jahvu, neminovno će umrijeti dijete koje ti se rodilo!” (2 Sam 12,13-14).

Učenje o čistilištu u implicitnom obliku nalazimo i u Novom zavjetu: “Ako tko rekne što protiv Sina Čovječjega, može mu se oprostiti, ali tko rekne što protiv Duha Svetoga, ne može mu se oprostiti ni na ovom svijetu ni na drugome” (Mt 12,32). Iz čega slijedi da se, po Isusovim riječima, neki drugi grijesi mogu oprostiti na drugome svijetu. Grijesi se u paklu ne mogu oprostiti, a u nebu se nema što opraštati, pa dakle mora postojati i neko treće stanje.

Nakon smrti na križu Isus je “otišao propovijedati duhovima koji su se nalazili u tamnici, onima koji su nekoć bili nepokorni” (1 Pt 3,19-20), i oni su bili spašeni (1 Pt 4,6). Tamnica se ne može odnositi na pakao, jer se iz pakla nitko ne može spasiti, a niti na predvorje raja u kojem su pravednici Starog zavjeta čekali na uskrsnuće Isusovo da bi se otvorila nebeska vrata, jer u tamnici su nepokorni, a ne poslušni. I sveti se Pavao molio za mrtve (Tim 1,16-17), no da nema čistilišta, njegova bi molitva bila lišena smisla.

 

 

Općenito, molitva za mrtve bila je sastavni dio života prvih kršćana, i o tome postoji mnoštvo dokumenata.Tako se Falkonila poslije smrti u snu ukazala majci i rekla: “Majko, ti ćeš umjesto mene imati ovu strankinju Teklu, da se moli za mene, da mogu prijeći u mjesto pravednika” (Djela Pavla i Tekle, 160. god.), a sveti Augustin bilježi da se “čitava Crkva drži običaja koje joj predaše oci, pa se moli za one koji su umrli u zajedništvu s Tijelom i Krvlju Kristovom”, te nastavlja kako se “ne može zanijekati da duše umrlih nalaze utočište po pobožnosti svojih još živih prijatelja i rođaka, kad ovi za njih prikažu posredničku žrtvu [svetu misu] ili kad dadu milodar Crkvi” (Propovijedi, 172, 2, 411. god.; Priručnik o vjeri, nadi i ljubavi, 18, 69, 421. god.). Vjernici koji su umrli u zajedništvu s Kristom – a koje se raskida smrtnim grijehom – iako možda nisu umrli u svetosti, ipak su i dalje članovi velike Božje obitelji, Crkve, i zato je nužno i pravedno da o njima i dalje brinemo i molimo se za spas njihove duše.

Fundamentalisti optužuju Katoličku crkvu da je učenje o čistilištu naprosto izmislila… 

Crkva nije izmislila vjerovanje o čistilištu, već je to vjerovanje naslijedila od apostola.

Ivan Poljaković

Izvor: Tko je ukinuo čistilište? – katolik.hr

http://magnifikat.hr/vjerovanje-u-cistiliste-nasljedeno-je-od-apostola/

[Bernard]

 

[Bernard]

20 Shortly after this, I fell ill [general exhaustion]. The dear Mother Superior sent me with two other sisters for a rest to Skolimow, not far from Warsaw. It was at that time that I asked the Lord who else I should pray for. Jesus said that on the following night He would let me know for whom I should pray. [The Next night] I saw my Guardian Angel, who ordered me to follow him. In a moment I was in a misty place full of fire in which there was a great crowd of suffering souls. They were praying fervently, but to no avail, for themselves; only we can come to their aid. The flames which were burning them did not touch me at all. My Guardian Angel did not leave me for an instant. I asked these souls what their greatest suffering was. They answered me in one voice that their greatest torment was longing for God. I saw Our Lady visiting the souls in Purgatory. The souls call her "The Star of the Sea." She brings them refreshment. I wanted to talk with them some more, but my Guardian Angel beckoned me to leave. We went out of that prison of suffering.[I heard and interior voice] which said, My mercy does not want this, but justice demands it. Since that time, I am in closer communion with the suffering souls.

The diary of Sister Maria Faustina H. Kowalska, page 20

http://www.boziemilosrdenstvo.sk/download/diary.pdf

[Bernard]

1226 Today bring to Me the souls who are in the prison of Purgatory, and immerse them in the abyss of My mercy. Let the torrents of My Blood cool down their scorching flames. All these souls are greatly loved by Me. They are making retribution to My justice. It is in your power to bring them relief. Draw all the indulgences from the treasury of My Church and offer them on their behalf. Oh, if you only knew the torments they suffer, you would continually offer for them the alms of the spirit and pay off their debt to My justice.

The diary of Sister Maria Faustina H. Kowalska, page 283

http://www.boziemilosrdenstvo.sk/download/diary.pdf

[Bernard]

1227 Most Merciful Jesus, You Yourself have said that You desire mercy; so I bring into the abode of Your Most Compassionate Heart the souls in Purgatory, souls who are very dear to You, and yet, who must make retribution to Your justice. May the streams of Blood and Water which gushed forth from Your Heart put out the flames of the purifying fire, that in that place, too, the power of Your mercy may be praised. From the terrible heat of the cleansing fire Rises a plaint to Your mercy, And they receive comfort, refreshment, relief In the stream of mingled Blood and Water.

Eternal Father, turn Your merciful gaze upon the souls suffering in Purgatory, who are enfolded in the Most Compassionate Heart of Jesus. I beg You, by the sorrowful Passion of Jesus Your Son, and by all the bitterness with which His most sacred Soul was flooded, manifest Your mercy to the souls who are under Your just scrutiny. Look upon them in no other way than through the Wounds of Jesus, Your dearly beloved Son; for we firmly believe that there is no limit to Your goodness and compassion.

The diary of Sister Maria Faustina H. Kowalska, page 283

http://www.boziemilosrdenstvo.sk/download/diary.pdf

[Bernard]

1738 The Lord said to me, Enter into purgatory often, because they need you there. O my Jesus, I understand the meaning of these words which You are speaking to me, but first let me enter the treasury of Your mercy.

The diary of Sister Maria Faustina H. Kowalska, page 391

http://www.boziemilosrdenstvo.sk/download/diary.pdf

[Bernard]

25 Descriptive and Clear Bible Passages About Purgatory

Origen, St. Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, and St. Jerome all saw descriptions of purgatory in the Bible.

Dave Armstrong

Psalm 66:12 (RSV) Thou didst let men ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water; yet thou hast brought us forth to a spacious place.

This verse was considered a proof of purgatory by Origen and St. Ambrose, who posits the water of baptism and the fire of purgatory.

Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning. (cf. 1:25-26; 6:5-7; Ecc 12:14)

St. Augustine, in the 20th Book of his City of God, chapter 25, interprets this as purgatory. The preceding verse refers to the saved (“called holy” and “recorded for life”) and verses 5 and 6 describe the repose of the blessed.

Micah 7:9 I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance. (cf. Lev 26:41, 43; Job 40:4-5; Lam 3:39)

St. Jerome considered this verse a clear proof of purgatory.

Malachi 3:3 he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the LORD.

Origen, St. Irenaeus, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, and St. Jerome all thought this was a description of purgatory.

2 Maccabees 12:44-45 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. [45] But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. (cf. 1 Cor 15:29)

The Jews offered atonement and prayer for their deceased brethren, who had clearly violated Mosaic Law. Such a practice presupposes purgatory, since those in heaven wouldn’t need any help, and those in hell are beyond it.

Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, “You fool!” shall be liable to the hell of fire.

St. Francis de Sales commented:

It is only the third sort of offence which is punished with hell; therefore in the judgment of God after this life there are other pains which are not eternal or infernal, — these are the pains of Purgatory. (The Catholic Controversy translated by Henry B. Mackey, Rockford, Illinois: TAN Books, 1989 [orig. 1596], 373)

Matthew 5:26 truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.

The “prison” alluded to in verse 25 is purgatory, according to Tertullian, St. Cyprian, Origen, St. Ambrose, and St. Jerome, while the “penny” represents the most minor sins that one commits.

Matthew 12:32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

If this sin cannot be forgiven after death, it follows that there are others which can be, and this must be in purgatory: precisely the interpretation of St. Augustine, Pope St. Gregory the Great,  the Venerable Bede, and St. Bernard, among others.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw – [13] each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. [14] If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. [15] If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

This is a clear and obvious allusion to purgatory. Thus thought St. Cyprian, St. Ambrose, St. Jerome, Pope St. Gregory the Great, Origen, and St. Augustine, who wrote with his usual insight:

ecause it is said, he shall be saved, that fire is thought lightly of. For all that, though we should be saved by fire, yet will that fire be more grievous than anything that man can suffer in this life whatsoever.  (Expositions on the Psalms, 38, 2)

Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. (cf.  12:1, 5-11, 15, 23, Eph 5:5; 1 Thess 4:3; 1 Jn 3:2-3)

Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman observed (as an Anglican):

Even supposing a man of unholy life were suffered to enter heaven, he would not be happy there; so that it would be no mercy to permit him to enter . . . There is a moral malady which disorders the inward sight and taste; and no man labouring under it is in a condition to enjoy what Scripture calls the fulness of joy in God’s presence, . . . (Sermon on this verse: “Holiness Necessary for Future Blessedness,” 1834)

Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practises abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

The abundance of scriptural evidence for purgatory led to a consensus among the Church fathers: summarized by Protestant church historian Philip Schaff:

These views of the middle state in connection with prayers for the dead show a strong tendency to the Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory. (History of the Christian Church, vol. 2, “Ante-Nicene Christianity: A. D. 100-325,” 5th edition, New York: 1889; ch. 12,  sec. 156, 604-606)

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/25-descriptive-and-clear-bible-passages-about-purgatory

[Bernard]

                                                      

 

https://archive.org/details/purgatory00scho/page/n7

[sanja84]

pa ne znam.. i mi imamo neke molitva za mrtve, pa bi navodno neki iz pakla presli u raj... to ako ima nekog da se moli za tebe... ako ne, ostajes u paklu. Tako kazu. 

[Istopljeni kamen]

пре 1 минут, sanja84 рече

pa ne znam.. i mi imamo neke molitva za mrtve, pa bi navodno neki iz pakla presli u raj... to ako ima nekog da se moli za tebe... ako ne, ostajes u paklu. Tako kazu. 

свети оци кажу да ми можемо нашим молитвама помоћи упокојеним душама а и они нама...само они не могу себи....ето...и кад се упокојимо није крај ако има неко да се сети нас...у молитви....

 

молитва за упокојене је много битна....она исцељује нас...молитва за наше предке...сигурно исцељује нас....

[sanja84]

пре 1 минут, Istopljeni kamen рече

свети оци кажу да ми можемо нашим молитвама помоћи упокојеним душама а и они нама...само они не могу себи....ето...и кад се упокојимо није крај ако има неко да се сети нас...у молитви....

 

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ako imas... ako nemas... verovatno Gospod uredi da iskajes grehe na zemlji pre smrti i primis svoje "kazne" i da Gospod pokajanje pre smrti. 

[Istopljeni kamen]

Управо сада, sanja84 рече

ako imas... ako nemas... verovatno Gospod uredi da iskajes grehe na zemlji pre smrti i primis svoje "kazne" i da Gospod pokajanje pre smrti. 

сигурно....Господ је милостив...дуготрпељив само смо ми мали ..како ли нас трпи....

мој течо није био верујући човек..и добио је рак и мучио се ...мучио и ја га поѕвала телефоном и питам течо како си? А он каже пијем лек дурам...а то у Лици значи трпим....дурам....и тако је он трпио неколико месеци...минут сваки му је био тежак...али моменат пред упокојење мој отац је био уз њега и он је рекао ево их видим их анђели су дошли по мене...и испустио је душу и сад......шта рећи....Господ је Љубав....

[Bernard]

On 27.8.2019. at 10:33, Istopljeni kamen рече

свети оци кажу да ми можемо нашим молитвама помоћи упокојеним душама а и они нама...само они не могу себи....ето...и кад се упокојимо није крај ако има неко да се сети нас...у молитви....

 

молитва за упокојене је много битна....она исцељује нас...молитва за наше предке...сигурно исцељује нас....

“Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice (Job 1:5), why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.” – St. John Chrysostom

[Bokisd]

Их бре ђе нађе баш св.Јована Златоустог, јел видиш да светитељ овде горе пише о помоћи мртвима овде у овом животу и овом свету, док је теорија чистилишта и очишћујућег огња тамо у оном загробном свету, значи две потпуно одвојене стварности и Златоуст помиње ову прву стварност у којој помажемо умрлима, ову другу уопште нема у виду тј. да тамо у оном свету може да постоји нешто што помаже умрлима.

Да не причамо да Златоуст пише да умрлима помажу наша жртва кроз наше молитве за умрле.