Богослужења, општи појмови, теорија Latest Topicshttps://pouke.org/forums/forum/248-%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%9A%D0%B0-%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B8-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8-%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0/Богослужења, општи појмови, теорија Latest TopicssrКако се поју подобни гласови- примери (аудио)https://pouke.org/forums/topic/25293-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%81%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%98%D1%83-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BE/Важно је знати да у нашем појању 4 гласа имају подобне "варијанте": 2, 4, 6 и 8. глас. Остали гласови и када пише да је подобен у Минеју (и другим богослужбеним књигама), поју се на тропарску мелодију.

 

Овде смо вам припремили неке примере појања подобних гласова:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 примери подобног 2. гл., поје ипођакон Никола (саборна црква у Крушевцу)

 

]]>25293Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:32:57 +0000Interview Vladyka Jerome of Manhattanhttps://pouke.org/forums/topic/146689-interview-vladyka-jerome-of-manhattan/ Vladyka Jerome

 

1    Can you tell us a little bit about the Western Rite in ROCOR, as well as in the other Churches, such as Antiochian Church?

The Western Rite in the Orthodox Church, of course, is not something new or artificial (at least, it should not be),
but a resumption of the typicons that were followed in the Latin Church before the schism of 1054. In fact, that schism
did not immediately cut off all the Latin churches from the rest of Orthodox Christianity, since the Latin parishes in what
is now Albania remained under the local Greek metropolitan until the 13th century. There seem to have been other places
where the Latin parishes did not separate at once. However, the Crusades did have a negative impact, both direct and
indirect.
In modern times, the Holy Synod of Russia was willing to permit a Western Rite, and approved a "corrected" text of the
Roman Mass in 1868, which inserted a paragraph from the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom to make the Epiclesis clearer.
Then the future Patriarch Tikhon, as ruling bishop in the United States, had a Western Rite congregation that celebrated
the Mass in the left side chapel of St. Nicholas cathedral in Manhattan. Probably in connection with the lawsuit that was
brought by the "Living Church" for control of the cathedral, this Western Orthodox congregation did not survive, but then
in 1962 it was restarted (in the same side chapel) and continued up to the end of that decade. But when there were 3
Sunday Liturgies in that cathedral, it became difficult to fit them all into the available hours. 
In ROCOR, the Western Rite flourished, mostly in Europe, under St. John Maximovich, and under Metropolitan Antony
Bashir the Antiochian Church also added a Western Rite from 1962, which continues till the present day.

1    When was the first time you had been assigned to a Western Rite parish, and when did you become a Bishop of Manhattan, with the duty to oversee the ROCOR Western Rite?

I was never assigned to a Western Rite parish, but from 2010 till 2013 I was the bishop assigned to the ROCOR Western
Rite, by Metropolitan Hilarion (Kapral).

1  Is there any other Western Rite bishop in the Orthodox Church besides you ?

There is a bishop in the Antiochian Archdiocese who has oversight of the Antiochian WR parishes.

1    How did you come to be interested in the Western Rite ?

I became interested in this subject ca. 1963, at age 16, when I came on an illustrated article about the Western Rite in
the Orthodox Church, in a publication called the SVIT, published from Wilkes-Barre PA. This was basically a newspaper in
"Little Russian", or Ukrainian in the Old Orthography and English. This article detailed the story of a former Episcopalian
community in what was then Palo Alto CA (since that time, the neighborhood has become a separate town known as Los
Altos), whose members lost their church building when they converted as a group to Orthodoxy and reorganized under Metropolitan
Antony Bashir. A few months later, on a visit to Mahopac where even as a teenager I often went to church, I saw a book in
French called "Nos Eglises en France", which gave an illustrated view of what was then the ROCOR French diocese and which
used a form of the Western Rite. In those days, I was close to the future Bishop Daniel (Alexandrow), who encouraged me in
developing this interest. Then the following summer, a group of us altar boys were taken into Manhattan to visit both the
Synodal cathedral on 93rd St., and St. Nicholas cathedral on 97th St. There I met abbot Augustine Whitfield, with whom I
carried on a correspondence, almost entirely on liturgical subjects (both Eastern and Western) for the next 56 years, almost
till his repose in 2010 (shortly after the repose of Bishop Daniel that same year). 

1    What books would you recommend that are about the Western Rite ?

Books *about* the Orthodox Western Rite are scarce: however, a number of publications, including several beautifully printed
service books, have been printed by members of the Antiochian WR. In ROCOR we have a smaller WR presence, and local
parishes do not always follow the same text or translation.
 

 

1    As of recently, ROCOR has a new First Hierarch. What do you think about Metropolitan Nicholas ?

It would not be too proper for me to give an opinion about someone else, let alone our new Metropolitan, especially as he has
thus far been only 2 months in office. 

1  As I understand, a session of the Sobor was held in Mahopac and you participated. Can you tell us more about that event?

The Mathopac session of the recent Sobor was (again) mostly about liturgical matters, and we did discuss the Western Rite.
But the best-remembered part of that day was the remarkable dinner created by the Mahopac church sisterhood, which all the
bishops seemed to enjoy, and which was followed by walks in the monastery woods to the lake and chapel, and then by 3 visits
of bishops who served here: Vl. Feodosy, Vl. Gabriel, and Metropolitan Nicholas.

1  You have been appointed to the commission for the return of the schismatics to the Church. Do you have any other duty beside that one ?

So far, to the best of my knowledge, the most notable "return from schism" (among those who had left in 2007) has been that 
of the large St. Xenia parish inOttawa, Canada. That was most encouraging. However, I'm afraid I can't take credit for it!
 

 

1.    Can you comment on the Constantinople – Moscow schism ?

 

The schism created by Bartholomew of Constantinople has been most disheartening, above all because of all the lies and
deception connected with it. However, his actions also led (despite him) to the return of the former "Paris Exarchate" to the
Russian Orthodox Church -- there is rarely evil that does not also bring good.
 

1.    The Ukrainian question is now a bit more complicated because the canonical Church has proclaimed some kind of independency. Metropolitan of Kiev has started to read the Diptych at the Great Entrance. Some of the bishops even claim that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is now fully independent, but their Sobor did not proclaim autocephaly. Now we read that they are going to start to make their own Chrism. Also, the Synod recognized the Macedonian Orthodox Church, and its Primate is added to the Diptych. What do you make of all of it ?

The Russian Church does recognize the autocephaly granted by the Patriarchate of Serbia to the Macedonian Church, so
of course we go along with that. The former ROCOR cathedral in Chicago is now a parish of this Macedonian Autocephalous 
Church, so that's very good for those of our people who still have fond memories of that cathedral in Logan Square. As for the
actions of Metropolitan Onouphry, we still see him as canonical, and it should be obvious that the steps taken were needed so
as to maintain a "modus vivendi" under the current political situation. 
 
Miljan Mitic
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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]]>146689Thu, 24 Nov 2022 16:31:52 +0000Кројењеhttps://pouke.org/forums/topic/48883-%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B5%D1%9A%D0%B5/ Помаже Бог браћо и сестре,
Желео бих да се распитам да ли неко може да ми разјасни на које напеве из Осмогласника се кроји?

]]>48883Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:47:28 +0000Post - kako da ga postim?https://pouke.org/forums/topic/55380-post-kako-da-ga-postim/ Pomaze Bog mozeli neko da mi odgovori na ova 2 pitanja (imam 13 godina)(nemam duhovnog oca)

1. Kako ja da postim na vodi ako mi sam hleb je napravljen od ulja

2 koliko smem da unosim hrane u telo u toku dana kad je post na vodi 

Hvala

 

]]>55380Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:23:36 +0000Да ли сте за црквенословенски језик или за српски на богослужењима и требама?https://pouke.org/forums/topic/7048-%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D1%86%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D1%98%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BA-%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D1%81%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%9A%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B8-%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0/

српски под обавезно, а можда са правилним руковођењем пастве би и заживела пракса чешћег причешћивања ...

Мислиш да српски буде у парохијама, а црквенословенски у манастирима?

Снимио је ђакон Огњен појања на српском, ја сам се одушевио како је то одрадио, све сам поскидао.

]]>7048Sat, 21 Aug 2010 13:42:18 +0000Минеји на српскомhttps://pouke.org/forums/topic/47955-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%98%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D1%81%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC/ Пошто видим да су ови минеји на српском доста преузимани, а нисам написао извор одакле су скинути. Па ако некога интересује ево линк: http://www.novisrbljak.narod.ru/bogosluzb_knjige.html

На том сајту имате и остале Богослужбене књиге.

Кад је већ отворена тема, занима ме да ли је неко штампао минеје и да ли се код некога у Цркви већ користи ? :) 

]]>47955Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:58:32 +0000Kako se molitihttps://pouke.org/forums/topic/55764-kako-se-moliti/ Pomaze Bog. Mozeli neko da me posavetuje da li da citam molive iz molitvenika ili da ih citam iz sebe smisljajuci molitve. Nije mi problem vreme koliko ce trajati nego sta je bolje raditi pred Bogom.

]]>55764Wed, 19 Dec 2018 19:55:41 +0000Грчки први и други антифонhttps://pouke.org/forums/topic/61292-%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B8-%D0%B8-%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B8-%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%BD/ На грчким Литургијама се први и други антифон разликују од наших

Εἰ μέν ἐστι Δεσποτικὴ ἢ Θεομητορικὴ ἑορτὴ ἢ μεθέορτα ἢ ἀπόδοσις αὐτῶν, ψάλλεται τό Α΄ Ἀντίφωνο τῆς ἑορτῆς.

 

Εὐλόγει ἡ ψυχή μου, τὸν Κύριον καί, πάντα τὰ ἐντός μου, τὸ ὄνομα τὸ ἅγιον αὐτοῦ.

Ταῖς πρεσβείαις τῆς Θεοτόκου, Σῶτερ, σῶσον ἡμᾶς. 

Εὐλόγει, ἡ ψυχή μου, τὸν Κύριον καὶ μὴ ἐπιλανθάνου πάσας τὰς ἀνταποδόσεις αὐτοῦ.

Ταῖς πρεσβείαις τῆς Θεοτόκου, Σῶτερ, σῶσον ἡμᾶς. 

Κύριος ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ ἡτοίμασε τὸν θρόνον αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἡ βασιλεία αὐτοῦ πάντων δεσπόζει.

Ταῖς πρεσβείαις τῆς Θεοτόκου, Σῶτερ, σῶσον ἡμᾶς. 

Δόξα Πατρὶ καὶ Υἱῷ καὶ Ἁγίῳ Πνεύματι.   

Καὶ νῦν καὶ ἀεὶ καὶ εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων, Ἀμήν.

Ταῖς πρεσβείαις τῆς Θεοτόκου, Σῶτερ, σῶσον ἡμᾶς. 

 

Β΄ ΑΝΤΙΦΩΝΟΝ

Αἴνει ἡ ψυχή μου, τὸν Κύριον· αἰνέσω Κύριον ἐν τῇ ζωῇ μου, ψαλῶ τῷ Θεῷ μου ἕως ὑπάρχω.

ΕΝ ΚΥΡΙΑΚΥ

Σῶσον ἡμᾶς Υἱὲ Θεοῦ, ὁ ἀναστὰς ἐκ νεκρῶν ψάλλοντάς σοι, Ἀλληλούϊα.

ΕΝ ΚΑΘΗΜΕΡΙΝΗ

Σῶσον ἡμᾶς Υἱὲ Θεοῦ, ὁ ἐν Ἁγίοις θαυμαστός ψάλλοντάς σοι, Ἀλληλούϊα.

Μακάριος οὗ ὁ Θεὸς Ἰακὼβ βοηθὸς αὐτοῦ, ἡ ἐλπὶς αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ Κύριον τὸν Θεὸν αὐτοῦ. Σῶσον ἡμᾶς Υἱὲ Θεοῦ,

Βασιλεύσει Κύριος εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα, ὁ Θεός σου, Σιών, εἰς γενεὰν καὶ γενεάν.

Σῶσον ἡμᾶς Υἱὲ Θεοῦ,

Δόξα Πατρὶ καὶ Υἱῷ καὶ Ἁγίῳ Πνεύματι.   

Καὶ νῦν καὶ ἀεὶ καὶ εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων, Ἀμήν.

јел неком познато има ли негде српски превод?

 

]]>61292Fri, 20 Sep 2019 19:05:01 +0000 https://pouke.org/forums/topic/60238--/

Ако неко има службу Пребиловачким новомученицима, молим да постави овде линк за преузимање.

Благодарим унапред.[emoji846]

 

Послато са SM-J730F користећи Pouke.org мобилну апликацију

 

 

]]>60238Mon, 05 Aug 2019 17:46:51 +0000Тропари, кондаци и др. за потребе Богослужењаhttps://pouke.org/forums/topic/8908-%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8-%D0%B8-%D0%B4%D1%80-%D0%B7%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5-%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%9A%D0%B0/Ову тему сам отворио у смислу потребе за обуком братије и сестара који почињу да се баве

појањем на Литургији и истих који већ познају Литургију али желе да се усаврше. Помоћ браће

и сестара који су овладали Литургијом и свештенства би нам добро дошла у свакаквом смислу.

Унапред хвала онима који ће пружати помоћ у онима којима је та помоћ потребна.

]]>8908Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:45:03 +0000Шта је то Западни обред?https://pouke.org/forums/topic/56410-%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B0-%D1%98%D0%B5-%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4/ ПО вашем мишљењу, шта је то западни обред. Молим вас да дискутујемо на ту тему!

]]>56410Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:38:22 +0000Prevodi mineja, oktoiha i ostalih Bogoslužbenih knjigahttps://pouke.org/forums/topic/53424-prevodi%EF%BB%BF%EF%BB%BF%EF%BB%BF-mineja-oktoiha-i-ostalih-bogoslu%C5%BEbenih-knj%EF%BB%BF%EF%BB%BFi%EF%BB%BF%EF%BB%BF%EF%BB%BFga/ Možda već ima započeta tema, ali da li neko zna gde imaju i da li uopšte postoje prevodi mineja, oktoiha i ostalih Bogoslužbenih knjiga. Da li negde mogu da se kupe ili nabave u bilo kom obliku?

]]>53424Thu, 16 Aug 2018 20:52:11 +0000Pomozite mi o postuhttps://pouke.org/forums/topic/55265-pomozite-mi-o-postu/ Pomaze Bog svim clanovima foruma (naravno i oni koi i nisu svima).

Potrebna mi je pomoc. Imam 13 godina i interesuje me da li bi ja trebao da postim uskrsnji post ako bi postio "blazi" nacin posta od 28 novembra do 7 januara pa da se pricestim. Sad da li da postim uskrsnji post ako bi se pricestio 7 januara . Hvala

(Inace da znate postim skoro sve postove. Uvek postimsreda-petak itd ali se dvoumim da li da postim uskrsnji ako se pricestim 7 januara)

]]>55265Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:41:31 +0000Катедра: Др Предраг Ђоковић- „Црквено појање као вид духовног узрастања”https://pouke.org/forums/topic/54871-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0-%D0%B4%D1%80-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B3-%D1%92%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%9B-%E2%80%9E%D1%86%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%98%D0%B0%D1%9A%D0%B5-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4-%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3-%D1%83%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%9A%D0%B0%E2%80%9D/ Предавање др Предрага Ђоковића, дугогодишњег предавача црквеног појања и професора на музичкој академији Универзитета у Источном Сарајеву на тему „Црквено појање као вид духовног узрастања“ којим је, са благословом Епископа бачког Иринеја, у организацији Црквене општине у Кули отпочео други циклус духовних предавања у суботу 20. октобра 2018. године.

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]]>54871Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:43:27 +0000Богослужбени водичhttps://pouke.org/forums/topic/23289-%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%87/На адреси: http://bogosluzbeniv...ijaniska.rs/rs/, можете погледати нову презентацију, коју је са благословом Његовог Преосвештенства Епископа нишког Г. Јована, поставила Информативна служба Епархије нишке...

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На овом сајту, заинтересовани се могу упознати са основним деловима храма као богослужбеног простора,

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могу да стекну увид у богослужбено време,

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да сазнају више о многим литургијским и богослужбеним појмовима,

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да "завире" у црквени календар...

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Такође, за свако богослужење презентован је опис, као и текст самог богослужења, односно линк ка "месту" где се то богослужење налази у, нпр. Требнику, Типику, Минеју,... Даље, поред реченог постоји и опис са фотографијом свих црквених одежди, црквених сасуда, објашњење њихове употребе, укратко оно што свакоме, а нарочито онима који тек приступају нашој Цркви, може помоћи за схватање неких недоумица, уколико су их имали, а које се тичу неких радњи током богослужења...

Лично, много ми се свиђа поменута презентација, те бих је топло свима препоручио, а унапред се извињавам, ако је ова тема већ била на ЖРУ форуму...

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