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Зато што Библија није "Сам свој мајстор" за хришћане него литургијска књига.

Па ево ја сам био протестант, али то је дуга прича брате Иване. Протестант би прво требало да разуме да су "доктрине" само празна љуштура, да вера није "шта мислим о томе", да Господ неће да нас пита

Problem je sto ovde niko nije u stanju da parira protestantima i dogmatski razbije njihovu nauku Svetim pismom (jer ga pravoslavni ni ni poznaju - sto je krajnje porazavajuce, jer Hristos je uvek govo

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Problem je sto ovde niko nije u stanju da parira protestantima i dogmatski razbije njihovu nauku Svetim pismom (jer ga pravoslavni ni ni poznaju - sto je krajnje porazavajuce, jer Hristos je uvek govorio - "Pisano je"! )

A sta mi radimo? Nudimo liturgiju?

Nesto na sta ce se svaki protestant sablazniti, jer oni nasu liturgiju smatraju Hristijanizovanim oblikom (paganstva) bogosluzenja , njima su slike - idoli a transupstancijacija im je magija... Zato jer su tako nauceni, a niko od vas nema odgovor ta na njihova pitanja!

Sramota je da se nazivamo Hriscanima, a da ne poznajemo "ucenja nasih prvih crkvenih otaca" , ovde mislim na bibliju jer "Apostoli su nasi prvi crkveni oci", a mi ne znamo njihove reci, cak ih i ignorisemo!

Biblija je temelj nase pravoslavne vere a mi je ne znamo! (naravno odgovornost za to lezi na svestenstvu koje ne poucava narod Bibliji! Ni sami je ne znaju, pa kako ce uciti druge?)

I zato je porazavajuce uopste citati ove vase komentare i diskutovati na tu temu sa vama. Jer niste upoznati sa nacinom delovanja i ucenjem protestanata.

Sve napisano gore deluje smesno za njih, i nece ubediti nijednog ozbiljnog protestanta pogotovo ne Jehovinog Svedoka ili Adventistu, vec naprotiv to ce ih odbiti od Pravoslavlja!

Ja da sam protestant a bio sam, na sve ovo gore bih odmahnuo rukom, nasmejao se , i otisao dalje...

Ljudi, uozbiljite se! I pocnite ozbiljno da shvatate protestantizam, da citate i da proucavate bibliju!

Sta tu filozofirate?

U Bibliji je odgovor na sve!

Sramota je da protestanti bolje poznaju Pismo od vas!

Biblija je temelj nase pravoslavne vere! Shvatite to!

Ona je temelj i nase dogme, i prestanite govoriti kako je ona 'nedovoljna" i kako nam treba tradicija...

Tradicija je tumacenje biblije!

Prestanite se izgovarati!

Manite se 'kasnijih crkvenih otaca' i proucite nase 'prve crkvene oce' odnosno Novi Zavet!

Budite kao sto je kazao apostol Pavle: "spremni na odgovor svakome koji zatrazi razlog za nadu koja je u vama''!

Nazalost vi niste spremni na odgovor, i to je porazavajuce!

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@mire777 У праву си стари!

Сећам се да је у моје време на ПБФ-у Нови Завет (4 испита: Увод, Ерминевтика, Егзегеза, Теологија) припреман из скрипти дебљине индекса; то је био неки испти чисто да се побољша просек или да неки спит за пролаз године; па ти види ...

Али, ја сам другачије приступио још тада, вере ми!

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1 hour ago, mire777 рече

Problem je sto ovde niko nije u stanju da parira protestantima i dogmatski razbije njihovu nauku Svetim pismom (jer ga pravoslavni ni ni poznaju - sto je krajnje porazavajuce, jer Hristos je uvek govorio - "Pisano je"! )
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Nazalost vi niste spremni na odgovor, i to je porazavajuce!

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Ima istine u tvojim rečima. Mi pravoslavni sporadično čitamo Sveto Pismo (ako i toliko).
Sa druge strane, onaj protestant koji ako i napamet zna celo Sveto Pismo i koji hoće da se 
svadja, ako naidje na pravoslavnog vernika koji takodje zna napamet celo Sveto Pismo - neće
čuti šta mu brat citira.
Ili grešim?

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пре 1 сат, mire777 рече

Sta tu filozofirate?

U Bibliji je odgovor na sve!

Sramota je da protestanti bolje poznaju Pismo od vas!

Sve što si napisao, potpisujem!  Većina pravoslavnih ne poznaje Sveto Pismo i na svaki pokušaj razgovora, odgovara svetootačkim citatima, a ne Pisano je:....

Nećeš ništa promeniti ovim što si rekao , ali si rekao- svaka čast! 

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Problem je sto ovde niko nije u stanju da parira protestantima i dogmatski razbije njihovu nauku Svetim pismom (jer ga pravoslavni ni ni poznaju - sto je krajnje porazavajuce, jer Hristos je uvek govorio - "Pisano je"! )

A sta mi radimo? Nudimo liturgiju?

Nesto na sta ce se svaki protestant sablazniti, jer oni nasu liturgiju smatraju Hristijanizovanim oblikom (paganstva) bogosluzenja , njima su slike - idoli a transupstancijacija im je magija... Zato jer su tako nauceni, a niko od vas nema odgovor ta na njihova pitanja!

Sramota je da se nazivamo Hriscanima, a da ne poznajemo "ucenja nasih prvih crkvenih otaca" , ovde mislim na bibliju jer "Apostoli su nasi prvi crkveni oci", a mi ne znamo njihove reci, cak ih i ignorisemo!

Biblija je temelj nase pravoslavne vere a mi je ne znamo! (naravno odgovornost za to lezi na svestenstvu koje ne poucava narod Bibliji! Ni sami je ne znaju, pa kako ce uciti druge?)

I zato je porazavajuce uopste citati ove vase komentare i diskutovati na tu temu sa vama. Jer niste upoznati sa nacinom delovanja i ucenjem protestanata.

Sve napisano gore deluje smesno za njih, i nece ubediti nijednog ozbiljnog protestanta pogotovo ne Jehovinog Svedoka ili Adventistu, vec naprotiv to ce ih odbiti od Pravoslavlja!

Ja da sam protestant a bio sam, na sve ovo gore bih odmahnuo rukom, nasmejao se , i otisao dalje...

Ljudi, uozbiljite se! I pocnite ozbiljno da shvatate protestantizam, da citate i da proucavate bibliju!

Sta tu filozofirate?

U Bibliji je odgovor na sve!

Sramota je da protestanti bolje poznaju Pismo od vas!

Biblija je temelj nase pravoslavne vere! Shvatite to!

Ona je temelj i nase dogme, i prestanite govoriti kako je ona 'nedovoljna" i kako nam treba tradicija...

Tradicija je tumacenje biblije!

Prestanite se izgovarati!

Manite se 'kasnijih crkvenih otaca' i proucite nase 'prve crkvene oce' odnosno Novi Zavet!

Budite kao sto je kazao apostol Pavle: "spremni na odgovor svakome koji zatrazi razlog za nadu koja je u vama''!

Nazalost vi niste spremni na odgovor, i to je porazavajuce!

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У једној реченици, да се не би` расплињавао одговарајући на појединачне твоје ставове. Вера у васкрслог Господа је темељ наше вере. Свето Писмо и Свето Предање, заокружено у литургијској заједници и вери у васкрслог Господа. Пука цитатологија, без опита вере, искуства, благодати, схваћеног контекста (и) кроз тумачења Отаца, је само то-проста цитатологија.

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[mention=17212]mire777[/mention] У праву си стари!
Сећам се да је у моје време на ПБФ-у Нови Завет (4 испита: Увод, Ерминевтика, Егзегеза, Теологија) припреман из скрипти дебљине индекса; то је био неки испти чисто да се побољша просек или да неки спит за пролаз године; па ти види ...
Али, ја сам другачије приступио још тада, вере ми!
Drago mi je da postoje ljudi koji shvataju problem. (Nasao sam ih mnogo). Ali opet, da sam ja cekao da mi neki svestenik odgovori na pitanja, nikada se ne bih vratio veri... Ja sam upravo proucavajuci bibliju shvatio da je Pravoslavno ucenje sadrzano tamo. Protestantima dakle, treba odgovoriti sa njihovog terena, koristeci bibliju, a ti spisi su i nas temelj, i ne smemo ih ignorisati govoreci kako to nije dovoljno samo po sebi, jer i apostoli nisu nista drugo imali do Pisma, i njime su rusili laznu nauku.

Ako je njima to bilo dovoljno, trebalo bi da bude i nama!

Ja evo vec 3 godine na serbian forumu razgovaram sa protestantima na temelju Pisma, i nikog nema da mi pomogne. Niko i ne zeli, jer im je to preteska tema, ne poznaju pismo..

Mnogo treba uraditi da se ljudi obrazuju, i to nije lak posao, jer i sami svestenici nisu upoznati.

Stavise, meni su cak rekli da ja pricam suprotno stavu crkve, kada kazem da u Pravoslavlju nema paganizma, jer bogoslovi kazu da je crkva preuzimala paganske obicaje i da paganizma u crkvi itekako ima.

To prosto nije tacno!

Istoriju pisu satanisti, i masoni uce da je judejska i Hriscanska religija preuzela egipatsku nauku. Npr. tvrde da je Trojstvo egipatsko ucenje jer trijade imamo i u egiptu, a to uce Jehovini Svedoci takodje.

Medjutim Svedoke osniva bivsi mason C.T.Russell, zato i ne cudi sto zadrzava ucenje - kako je Hriscansko Trojstvo ustvari poreklom iz egipta i Vavilonije.
On je bivsi mason!

Nazalost to je sada i oficijelna istorija. Ona uci da je citav sistem verovanja Hriscana i Judeja u stvari vera preuzeta od egipcana i vavilonjana.

Mnogi Pravoslavni istoricari su takodje zatrovani tim stavom, i tvrde - "da smo mi nesto pozajmili". Ali za to ne postoji nijedan materijalan dokaz, jer se teza o "izvedbi verovanja" zasniva na "slicnosti".
Nesto tipa romana Den Braun, dakle obicna "pretpostavka"!

Crkva je ustvari preuzela Jevrejski sistem bogosluzenja, stil,umetnost gradnje, slike su identicne onima iz Hristovog vremena na sinagogama itd.. Pa ako su Judeji pagani, onda smo to i mi!

Evo i jedan klasican primer izvrtanja istorije:

Protestanti tvrde da je Bozic praznik boga sunca i da potice iz mitraizma. Medjutim kriju da je 25. decembar bio poznat Hriscanima jos pre nastanka mitraizma.

Stavise, prica je sasvim suprotna, nisu Hriscani nista preuzeli iz mitraizma vec su mitraisti preuzeli od Hriscana, i to 25. decembar i sva ostala ucenja.

Njihov bog sunca se rodio 25. decembra, umro je i vaskrsao , imao je ucenike, vazneo se na nebo, cak je ustanovio i euharistiju.. Da neko ne zna, pomislio bi da je Hriscanstvo nastalo iz paganizma, a stvar je sasvim suprotna, mitraisti su zapravo sinkreticka religija koja je u sebe stapala ucenja svih drugih vera.

Tako mitraisti (pagani) preuzimaju Hriscanska ucenja..

Slicna je stvar i sa ostalim Hriscanskim - Pravoslavnim obicajima!

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У једној реченици, да се не би` расплињавао одговарајући на појединачне твоје ставове. Вера у васкрслог Господа је темељ наше вере. Свето Писмо и Свето Предање, заокружено у литургијској заједници и вери у васкрслог Господа. Пука цитатологија, без опита вере, искуства, благодати, схваћеног контекста (и) кроз тумачења Отаца, је само то-проста цитатологија.
I biblija je brate "predanje" koje se prenosilo usmeno a potom zapisano u vidu Novog Zaveta. Dakle biblija je "pisano predanje"!

I kao sto vec rekoh, apostolima je to predanje bilo dovoljno da se uhvate u kostac sa lazima, pa bi trebalo da bude i nama.

I ti nista neces dobiti citirajuci protestantima svetootacke tekstove, jer oni to ne priznaju!

A veru treba primerom pokazati, tu si u pravu, i nista ne svedoci vise niti snaznije nego pobozan zivot.

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1 hour ago, Toma рече

Ima istine u tvojim rečima. Mi pravoslavni sporadično čitamo Sveto Pismo (ako i toliko).
Sa druge strane, onaj protestant koji ako i napamet zna celo Sveto Pismo i koji hoće da se 
svadja, ako naidje na pravoslavnog vernika koji takodje zna napamet celo Sveto Pismo - neće
čuti šta mu brat citira.
Ili grešim?

Ne grešiš :ani_biggrin:

Vi`m da te theolozi ignoriraju haha

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пре 54 минута, Phoebe рече

Većina pravoslavnih ne poznaje Sveto Pismo

Ti si Fibo sigurno od onih što poznaju? Da te malo propitam? :)

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[mention=17212]mire777[/mention] Zadnjih 10 godina se menja situacija i na PBF; evo otvorili su biblijski institut, biće bolje!
Dace Bog da bude. Ja sam hteo da podstaknem ljude da se ozbiljnije pozabave temom, da bismo pomogli ljudima...

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пре 1 сат, Брка Жарковачки рече

Ti si Fibo sigurno od onih što poznaju? Da te malo propitam? :)

Aj u pivo da on ne zna .. ni ko je napisao poslanicu Rimljanima?

:POPOcorn1:

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      Will the Circle be Unbroken?
      The Protestant response at this point is often an attempt to use the same argument against the Catholic. “How do you know the Scriptures are inspired? Your reasoning is just as circular because you say the Church is infallible because the inspired Scriptures say so and then say the Scriptures are inspired and infallible because the Church says so!”
      The Catholic Church’s position on inspiration is not circular. We do not say “the Church is infallible because the inspired Scriptures say so, and the Scriptures are inspired because the infallible Church says so.” That would be a kind of circular reasoning. The Church was established historically and functioned as the infallible spokesperson for the Lord decades before the New Testament was written. The Church is infallible because Jesus said so.
      Having said that, it is true that we know the Scriptures to be inspired because the Church has told us so. That is also an historical fact. However, this is not circular reasoning. When the Catholic approaches Scripture, he or she begins with the Bible as an historical document, not as inspired. As any reputable historian will tell you, the New Testament is the most accurate and verifiable historical document in all of ancient history. To deny the substance of the historical documents recorded therein would be absurd. However, one cannot deduce from this that they are inspired. There are many accurate historical documents that are not inspired. However, the Scriptures do give us accurate historical information whether one holds to their inspiration or not. Further, this testimony of the Bible is backed up by hundreds of works by early Christians and non-Christian writers like Suetonius, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, and more. It is on this basis that we can say it is an historical fact that Jesus lived, died, and was reported to be resurrected from the dead by over 500 eyewitnesses. Many of these eyewitnesses went to their deaths testifying to the veracity of the Christ-event (see Lk. 1:1-4, Jn. 21:18-19, 24-25, Acts 1:1-11, I Cr. 15:1-8).
      Now, what do we find when we examine the historical record? Jesus Christ—as a matter of history–established a Church, not a book, to be the foundation of the Christian Faith (see Mt. 16:15-18; 18:15-18. Cf. Eph. 2:20; 3:10,20-21; 4:11-15; I Tm. 3:15; Hb. 13:7,17, etc.). He said of his Church, “He who hears you hears me and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me” (Lk. 10:16). The many books that comprise what we call the Bible never tell us crucial truths such as the fact that they are inspired, who can and cannot be the human authors of them, who authored them at all, or, as I said before, what the canon of Scripture is in the first place. And this is just to name a few examples. What is very clear historically is that Jesus established a kingdom with a hierarchy and authority to speak for him (see Lk. 20:29-32, Mt. 10:40, 28:18-20). It was members of this Kingdom—the Church—that would write the Scripture, preserve its many texts and eventually canonize it. The Scriptures cannot write or canonize themselves. To put it simply, reason clearly rejects sola scriptura as a self-refuting principle because one cannot determine what the “scriptura” is using the principle of sola scriptura.
      Sola Scriptura is Unbiblical
      Let us now consider the most common text used by Protestants to “prove” sola scriptura, II Tm. 3:16, which I quoted above:
      All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
      The problem with using this text as such is threefold: 1. Strictly speaking, it does not speak of the New Testament at all. 2. It does not claim Scripture to be the sole rule of faith for Christians. 3. The Bible teaches oral Tradition to be on a par with and just as necessary as the written Tradition, or Scripture.
      1. What’s Old is Not New
      Let us examine the context of the passage by reading the two preceding verses:
      But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood (italics added) you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.
      In context, this passage does not refer to the New Testament at all. None of the New Testament books had been written when St. Timothy was a child! To claim this verse in order to authenticate a book, say, the book of Revelation, when it had most likely not even been written yet, is more than a stretch. That is going far beyond what the text actually claims.
      2. The Trouble With Sola
      As a Protestant, I was guilty of seeing more than one sola in Scripture that simply did not exist. The Bible clearly teaches justification by faith. And we Catholics believe it. However, we do not believe in justification by faith alone because, among many other reasons, the Bible says, we are “justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:24, emphasis added). Analogously, when the Bible says Scripture is inspired and profitable for “the man of God,” to be “equipped for every good work,” we Catholics believe it. However, the text of II Tim. 3:16 never says Scripture alone. There is no sola to be found here either! Even if we granted II Tm. 3:16 was talking about all of Scripture, it never claims Scripture to be the sole rule of faith. A rule of faith, to be sure! But not the sole rule of faith.
      James 1:4 illustrates clearly the problem with Protestant exegesis of II Tim. 3:16:
      And let steadfastness (patience) have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
      If we apply the same principle of exegesis to this text that the Protestant does to II Tm. 3:16 we would have to say that all we need is patience to be perfected. We don’t need faith, hope, charity, the Church, baptism, etc.
      Of course, any Christian would immediately say this is absurd. And of course it is. But James’s emphasis on the central importance of patience is even stronger than St. Paul’s emphasis on Scripture. The key is to see that there is not a sola to be found in either text. Sola patientia would be just as much an error as is sola scriptura.
      3. The Tradition of God is the Word of God
      Not only is the Bible silent when it comes to sola scriptura, but Scripture is remarkably plain in teaching oral Tradition to be just as much the word of God as is Scripture. In what most scholars believe was the first book written in the New Testament, St. Paul said:
      And we also thank God… that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God… (I Thess. 2:13)
      II Thess. 2:15 adds:
      So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions you have been taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
      According to St. Paul, the spoken word from the apostles was just as much the word of God as was the later written word.
      Sola Scriptura is Unworkable
      When it comes to the tradition of Protestantism—sola scriptura—the silence of the text of Scripture is deafening. When it comes to the true authority of Scripture and Tradition, the Scriptures are clear. And when it comes to the teaching and governing authority of the Church, the biblical text is equally as clear:
      If your brother sins against you go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone … But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you … If he refuses to listen … tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Mt. 18:15-17)
      According to Scripture, the Church—not the Bible alone—is the final court of appeal for the people of God in matters of faith and discipline. But isn’t it also telling that since the Reformation of just ca. 480 years ago—a reformation claiming sola scriptura as its formal principle—there are now over 33,000 denominations that have derived from it?
      For 1,500 years, Christianity saw just a few enduring schisms (the Monophysites, Nestorians, the Orthodox, and a very few others). Now in just 480 years we have this? I hardly think that when Jesus prophesied there would be “one shepherd and one fold” in Jn. 10:16, this is what he had in mind. It seems quite clear to me that not only is sola scriptura unreasonable and unbiblical, but it is unworkable. The proof is in the puddin’!
      If you liked this post and you would like to dive deeper into this topic and more, click here.
       
      https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/the-protestant-achilles-heel
    • Од JESSY,
      Iako se vlasnici trude oko dresure i obuke, događa se da neki ljubimac ima prejaki karakter sa kojim čovek ne može da se izbori i tada mogu da budu opasni po okolinu Autor: Dragoljub Stevanović (Фото Пиксабеј) Da li postoje opasni i bezopasni psi pitanje je na koje nije uvek lako odgovoriti. Možda bi, kažu kinolozi, bilo bolje reći zahtevni i manje zahtevni. Jer, ako se i negde pogreši kod vaspitanja čivave, pudlice ili džek rasel terijera, čak i kada vas takav pas ugrize, posledice neće biti velike. Malo lajanja ili neprijatnog glockanja, ali slučaj neće dobiti drastične razmere.
      Međutim, kada je reč o takozvanim opasnim rasama, situacija nije naivna. Ako je vlasnik neodgovoran, pas ne nosi korpu, nije socijalizovan, a uz to nosi i epitet borbenog, može biti i smrtnih ishoda, kao nedavno u Pančevu, kada je staford terijer usmrtio majku vlasnika i teško povredio njenu rođaku.
      Maltretirani najopasniji
      To je ponovo pokrenulo brojna pitanje ko je kriv – vlasnik ili „loša genetika”, da li postoji „agresivna crta” kod pasa. Miloš Jević iz Kinološkog društva „Polet” objašnjava da ne možemo okriviti samo jednu rasu i svrstati je u opasne pse. Ima, kaže, divnih staforda koji su apsolutno socijalizovani i ne predstavljaju ama baš nikakvu opasnost.
      – Problem može da nastane kada su vlasnici pasa nemarni, a posledica su zapušteni psi koji, bez kontakta sa ljudima i psima, često maltretirani, uglavnom provode vreme na lancu i u kavezu. Takvi psi imaju mnogo veće preduslove da budu opasni po okolinu – kaže Jević.
      Zakon, inače, definiše šta je opasan pas i njihovi vlasnici moraju proći posebnu obuku i test socijalizacije. To prolaze i svi drugi psi koji su naneli teške telesne povrede ljudima ili psima.
      – Ponekad se događa da se vlasnici trude oko svojih ljubimaca, ali prosto neki pas ima prejaki karakter sa kojim ne mogu da se izbore i on postaje gazda u kući! Tada se uglavnom javljaju problemi: pas se suprotstavlja vlasniku, to je u početku režanje, a može doći i do ujeda – ističe naš sagovornik.
      Genetika, takođe, igra veliku ulogu. Pre nego što nabave četvoronožnog prijatelja, budući vlasnici bi trebalo da saznaju odakle on dolazi, ko su mu roditelji, treba naći odgovornog i proverenog odgajivača.
      – Tako će dobiti važne informacije o naslednim bolestima i karakteru psa. Takođe bi trebalo izabrati i rasu koja odgovara karakteru vlasnika – kaže naš sagovornik, koji ima dosta iskustva u obučavanju i dresuri pasa.
    • Од Ромејац,
      Several hundred people were received into the holy Orthodox Church by the Mystery of Baptism in India recently, including 47 Protestant pastors who have been telling their communities about the true faith.
      A missionary team, consisting of Fr. Athanasius Kone of the Holy Theotokos of Iveron Russian Orthodox Church in Hawaii, Papa Ephraim, formerly of St. Anthony’s Monastery in Arizona and currently of St. Nilus Skete in Alaska, Fr. George Maximov of Moscow, Sister Paraskevi of St. Nilus Skete, and Sister Ioanna and Anastasia from Moscow, spent about two weeks in India, preaching and teaching about holy Orthodoxy and baptizing 350 people into Christ.
      About 1,000 people had expressed interest in being baptized, but various issues led to only several hundred being baptized during the trip. A detailed description of the entire trip came be found at Papa Ephraim’s Orthodox River blog.
      Fr. George Maximov has also published a video about the trip, including footage of the Baptisms and Chrismations:
      As Papa Ephraim explains, a book by Fr. Seraphim Bell, Understanding the Rich Heritage of the Orthodox Church, was translated into the local Telugu language in November, and then Fr. Seraphim was able to visit India for two weeks in December and lead intensive catechetical courses for 60 pastors who then preached to their parishioners about Orthodoxy, and thus many were ready to receive Baptism.

      Other texts translated or being translated include The Catechism of St. Nikolai Velimirovich, Typica, the Baptismal service, the Creed, the Lord’s Prayer, 5 small books of Fr. Daniel Sysoev, and elements from The Truth of our Faith by Elder Cleopa.
      The Baptisms occurred over the span of the two-week trip, some days with groups of 100 people, some days with only 10 or 12. Most of them were celebrated at an old orphanage owned by Fr. Wesley, who has known Fr. Athanasius for several decades and who was responsible for making most of the arrangements for the trip.
      In addition to celebrating Baptisms, the group also preached and taught about repentance, Tradition, monasticism, icons, Church singing, how to bake prosphora, etc, and they served the Liturgy several times. As Papa Ephraim details, language issues made everything a little chaotic, as did resistance, sometimes fierce and almost violent, from local Hindus and also Catholics.

      Some of the 1,000 people who had planned to be baptized were deterred by the strong reactions from other Indians, and about 500 of them live in remote villages where a terrorist group has been especially violent lately, taking hostages, often killing them.
      As Papa Ephraim writes, the demons of course resist the good work that is being done in India, and their presence is greater there due to the millennia of idolatry there, but, with God’s help, hundreds of souls were brought into the saving enclosure of the Church.
      http://orthochristian.com/119708.html?fbclid=IwAR2dsy7G_iR8FH_5kV2xtlzNahtHn5mF-JEuEWlXYmIYh4P5ZmdAzRjPaog

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